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Gay Marriage 2	Petesharky	05/18/04
Gay marriage is a choice that should be left to the participants. No one judges a straight couple who marries even if the guy is 5' tall and weighs 500lbs and the girl is a stunning beauty queen. It is not the business of the Church especially who houses so many closet homosexuals that just never knew how to handle their feelings and went into priest hood only to take out their frustrations on young boys and other priests. What business is it of yours who gets married to who? What gives you or anyone else the right to say what is right or wrong, and to use the Bible to promote your hatred and prejudice? Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life. Who are you to decide who can be happy and who can't just because you think what they are doing is wrong? I am sure I will get a load of quotes from the bible so I will post the first 2. "Let ye who lives without sin cast the first stone." How about "Judge not lest ye be judged." My oldest brother who is 14 years older than me is gay and if he came home tomorrow and said that he was getting married I would be happy for him. Pete
Clarification/Follow-up by Petesharky on 05/18/04 7:45 pm: No your right no one has the right to walk into any door and dictate how they conduct their affairs inside. That also goes for ignorant people going into the doors of gay households and saying "you can't be married. You can't do this you can't do that. WAH WAH WAH BLAH BLAH" Who are you, the church or anyone else to decide what people do in their lives. What gives you me or any man for that matter the right to decide what 2 people can do with their bodies and their emotions. Even the Pope is meerly a man of flesh and blood. What gives you the right or anyone else on this board to decifer what God's word is. The Bible is written by man and for the man of 2000 years ago. Don't preach the word of God that God hasn't written himself. That would be the ultimate sin to me. I never once mentioned that I accepted a church wedding for these people only a civil ceremony. Nor that the church should be required to perform these ceremonies. What I did say is what business of the church is it except the fact that they will lose the big donation that comes with a wedding if a wedding is not performed there. As I have mentioned in my post my brother is gay but the thought of him being married has never entered my mind. personally I doubt it has entered his mind. He is in a long term relationship with someone and happy. I said if he was to get married I would have to accept it or lose a brother. But if I accept it for my brother then I must accept it for all. If they are married outside the church and feel condemed that is their feeling and not yours or anyone elses. It is not up to you to say what they are feeling. Unless you have a mind reading device that I don't know about. When the bell tolls for them it is them who must answer not you or anyone else so what makes you think that you should have a say in that. Who here can say that they know what will be asked? Proof that wasn't written by man. Maybe everyone here is right homosexuals and lesbians should all denounce their feelings and emotions, and get married in a conventional manner that is acceptable to all of you. Then have some children ahhh yes the population will thrive then. And then one day just decide that they can't do it. They are trapped in a relationship with someone that they are not able to love. Then they will really feel guilt. What usually happens then is they leave. What could happen if the guilt is strong enough is suicide. Which is what happend to a friend of mine and my brother's. I think the worst thing about this is that most of you seem to be driven by the fact that they would be having sex with each other. Is that what marriage is to all of you just sex? It seems to drive most of your answers. even throwing out quotes from the Bible about it. Is sex what drives marriage sex? No it is love. What you can't seem to absorb is that they love their partner like I love my wife. I would kill for her and I would die for her. She is my everything. To a gay couple the feeling is the same. They are not just there for the sex but because they have feelings and emotions and what might seem repulsive to you well too bad live your life. I am not that thrilled when I see 2 guys kissing either or girls. YUCK!!!! I was always taught that God is perfect and doesn't make mistakes and that there is a reason for everything that God has put on this earth. That means Homosexuals also. They are children of God as you and I are. Do you question God in putting them here? Clarification/Follow-up by paraclete on 05/19/04 7:28 am: pete I dont understand what the furore is all about. For the ordinary person the choice is between a church and a state wedding. If this isnt possible for gays then they have to accept that the way they behave doesn't comply with the majority, sorry thats the way it is! The reality is I cant marry my cousin even thought I might like too! There are rules and thats the way it is! I know ordinary people who live in sin, why, I dont know, but they do. so what's the difference. I'm not going to say, like some people do, " not that there is anything wrong with that". that's hyprocracy there is something wrong, that's the way it is. as for me an my house I will serve the Lord
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paraclete		05/18/04
Back to my answer to your last question, this is first and foremost a question of complience with the law of the land. A church as a perfect right to say who can or cannot be married under their rules. Do I have a right to walk in any door and dictate to those there how they will conduct their affairs. I do not! Even if gay marriage is santioned by civil law, this doesn't impose any obligation on the church. If we have true separation of church and state then the state cannot interfere in church affairs. it works both ways or it doesn't work at all. So some gays are going to feel condemned by not having a church wedding, Thats hard luck but then they arn't respecting the rules of the church so how can they expect the church to bend to their wishes. If all of this is brought on by your concern for your brother thats an affair for your family. These issues have nothing to do with racism and a lot to do with acceptable moral behavior.

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