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MaggieB asked on 03/28/05 - LIFE AFTER DEATH/THOUGHT YOU MIGHT ENJOY THE FOLLOWING

Since the question was posted on the board recently:

LIFE AFTER DEATH:
"DO YOU BELIEVE IN LIFE AFTER DEATH?" THE BOSS ASKED ONE OF HIS
EMPLOYEES.
"YES, SIR," THE NEW EMPLOYEE REPLIED.
"WELL, THEN, THAT MAKES EVERYTHING JUST FINE," THE BOSS WENT ON.
"AFTER
YOU LEFT EARLY YESTERDAY TO GO TO YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S FUNERAL, SHE
STOPPED
IN TO SEE YOU!

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/29/05:

LOL!! I think that we all got caught in a lie at least once in our life. This was very funny and I enjoyed it. :)

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ETWolverine asked on 03/29/05 - My reasoning in the Terry Shiavo case.

There are a number of people who have wondered how I could be so "cruel" as to want Terri Schiavo to continue to suffer.

I spent a couple of hours thinking the issue over last night. This case has really been bothering me, and I was going over and over it in my head.

I think the bottom line of why I favor reinsertion of her feeding tube comes from my EMT days. My training as an EMT was that you NEVER EVER EVER give up on a patient. Even if their heart has stopped, even if they are not breathing, even if you KNOW they are going to die, you never EVER give up on the patient. I have worked on gun shot victims with their heads blown half away, and never stopped compressions or ambu bagging the patient. I've seen trauma from MVAs that you would not believe, and never stopped working on the patient.

I even worked on a girl, a young teen, maybe 14 or 15, who had 3rd at 4th degree burns over 90% of her body. (4th degree burn are bone burns, where the bones of the victim have been charred by the flames.) There was no way this girl was going to survive. If she didn't die of the traumatic injury caused by the flames, her lungs would have probably collapsed. And if that didn't happen, then her dead skin was going to poison her to death. And the agony she was in... if ever a patient NEEDED to die, she was it. But we never stopped working on her. Even in the emergency room, I stuck around and kept working on her until the doctor called TOD.

I quit EMS a month later. I couldn't get the picture of that kid's arm out of my head... I could see the charred bones, and that vision messed me up pretty bad. And I can still remember the smell... That case destroyed my ability to do my job. And my ability to eat (especially meat) and sleep. So I quit.

Maybe I should never have been an EMT in the first place. I was always too close to the patients and took the cases to personally. But that girl was the worst.

But the point is that my training says to never quit on the patient, never stop fighting for the patient. Every patient deserves every opportunity, every chance, no matter how miniscule, to live. Where I come from, we don't give up and say "that person would be better off dead, so let's stop working on them."

My brother is a medical student (in May people start calling him "doctor", and if you are anywhere near Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, try not to get sick,:)) and he and I disagree strongly on this issue. He, like many of you, agrees that removing the feeding tube was the correct thing to do. But his training is different than mine. Doctors get to call TOD, EMTs don't. Doctors get to call when to stop working on the patient. EMTs don't. Part of a doctor's training is in recognizing when there is nothing else they can do. EMT's don't get to make that decision. I come from a place that says "don't stop". My brother comes from a different place.

I guess that my feelings with regard to Terri Schiavo are all tied in to that training. As long as Terri lives, my own training is to keep her alive, to do everything in my power to save her. Its instinctual and it is a moral issue for me... to me, there is no morality in stopping patient care. The morality is in fighting for them beyond what is possible, an making that imposibility a reality. I've seen the dead come back to life with proper medical care and if not too much time has passed from when death occured. So even death doesn't deter me from continuing to work on the patient. I don't believe in DNRs. DNRs are for doctors to deal with, not EMTs. EMTs bag and boogie, we don't refuse medical care. So the idea of removing Terri Schiavo's feeding tube is, to me, a betrayal of trust, and I take it personally.

I hope that in the discussions about Terri Schiavo on this board that I have not offended anyone. I have tried not to. But if I have, then I apologize. I hope this post will give you all a better understanding of why I am so against the idea of letting Terri Schiavo starve to death. It just goes so much against the grain. And I hope you all get the idea of WHY it does. It's not about my conservative stances... or at least not mostly about my conservativism. It's about right and wrong for me.

Elliot

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/29/05:

Elliot, I agree with you. It seems odd that all she required was a feeding tube. Basic food. A life sustaining thing that keeps all of us alive. From what I have read since two weeks ago, and even now, what is being done is criminal, wrong. Although she did not have a fully functional life, she did have a life. Just looking at her, her smile, her eyes, how they would follow people around, how they looked at the person who was speaking to her, her movements of the head, told me that this lady is alive. To starve a person just because they cannot swallow and need a tube in their stomach (not shoved down the throat as someone wrote) is not an aggressive means of keeping her alive. Her kidney function was fine, her comprehension was limited true, but still there was communication. It seems very odd to me that euthanasia is against the law, but starving a human living being is okay. For those on the board who think that this is right, I never want to see another "please pray for my..." because that is being hypocritical. I believe that there is a season and a time for everything. A time to be born, be nourished (can a baby eat on his/her own? Can they tell us what they feel? Can we really know if they feel pain or discomfort? Well, they cannot, so what does this mean in the whole scheme of things? Does this mean that every retarded person should die from starvation? What about the elderly? I have seen many, even two in my own family, who were on feeding tubes, and then were weaned off. I have seen my own mother die for six minutes and then be resuscitated and have many years of quality life. I just do not understand what the squabble is about. If she was ready to die, then she would die. Until then, I do not feel that anyone has the right to remove nourishment from a person who is brain damaged, not brain dead! We all die. When it is our time. I feel that if she was meant to die, then she would have. Feeding tube or not. That is how I feel and what is/has been done is wrong and that is my opinion and it is how I feel. And I do not see any reason for you to apologize for being who you are and feeling what you do.

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freethinker asked on 03/20/05 - (Scene two) Look at it this way .....





There they were. A nice tidy little group of believers sat in a social room in church sharing their religious experiences and testimonies.
The door opens and in comes a stranger.

"Hello," says the stranger, while hanging up his coat and hat.

"We have here a private meeting" says a little old lady wearing an outmoded hat.

"But it's cold outside, and it rains" says the stranger.

"That's not our concern" piped up a spry old man.
"What makes you think that you can come-in here whenever it suits you, and interupt our religious meeting".

"My transport failed, and I had to find temporal shelter", says the man, while he shivers a little. "Can't I just sit in a little"?

"Only if you are good enough for us" rejoins the hat lady, and she states the specifics of her particular denomination. "Are you one of us?".

"No" says the man, "but I'm a good human being, I'm tolerant to others, and I'm very sympathetic to those in need".

"Why not just find your own place to sit tight with your own problems and let us alone in peace to enjoy ours?" boomed the voice of an older man, hiding in the background, "you annoy us, you're not one of us, and we are the selected few : we do not need an outsider here".

Another lady who had listened with interest, put down her knitting and, smiling, said, "Young man, we did not seek you out. You came and sought us out. Remember? Isn't there some place you can go to be with your own kind?"

"Because, because .... " the stranger whispered, unable to finish his sentence as if he had not expected this.
"Just because!" he continued, "I need your help on this moment, and I have no place to go elsewhere.
"If you insist me to go, at least give me a reason. You have to give me a reason!"

"Why?" asked a chorus of several voices.

"Because I like to know! That's why!"

"Oh, in that case," said a blue haired great grandmother who had thus far remianed silent, a little cowed by this unknown intruder,
"Because you're not one of us, you will have to convert to our line of belief first. We had so many people who could use our help, but we prefer to select our own, and only help them".

"But I only ask for some temperal shelter!" he said, "this makes no sense to me".

"Now, to me it does", thundered back the aging matriarch,
"And if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true, and if you insist that it is then YOU are going to have to PROVE to me why you deserve our help, and why we should help you".

"Prove? Prove?" The stranger was having trouble thinking!
"Why should I have to PROVE anything to you?"

"Because WE say so," came back the retort from all assembled there.

The stranger picked up his coat and hat, dressed, opened the door, and left without a word.

The little group of worshippers continued their meeting. They prayed, they confessed their belief, they hallelujahed, they glorified their supposed superiority.

Outside the stranger walked away, he looked up, and whispered "Father, forgive them, because they don't know what they're doing!"

Faith in God is not a matter of mathematical principles, not of laborotory experiment. It may be a matter of experience and trust, but at all times it must be based in your heart. If there is no welcome for the stranger, no forgiveness for the sinner, no love for the other, no sympathy for the needed, or if your heart is loaded with feelings of hatred and/or revenge, all ways to God are closed - not by him, but by yourself.

:)

John - who has walked the path of life.











Any comments?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/20/05:

My door is always open for anyone who is in need of shelter or anything else for that matter. Interesting this was John, for I have also walked the path of life. Wonder if you were the lad that smiled from the other side of the fence? :)

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Liz22 asked on 03/18/05 - Thank you Laz

Yes,tonight Laz called me and my Husband told him, I was not feeling well.
But I asked my Husband to ask him that if he went on this Site to send my love and say hi to all.
I am sorry Jim that I had now said that, I am sorry for the rudeness of some.
I am very proud of you; some times people can hurt verbally which can hurt more than physical pain. And when this happens it is best to a void them at all cost.
Love ya, Kiddo

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/19/05:

My dear Liz, I hope that you are feeling better and it was nice of your son to let us know that even though you are not too well, you are still saying "hello" to everyone. Now that I know that Lazlow is your son, I can understand how you feel and if I offended him in anyway, I am sorry. However, he did write a few things on here that were stunning, but he is your child and because you are cared for so much, I for one will never take anything that he writes personaly. Enjoy your weekend and may good health be yours. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 03/19/05 - Please Pray!

My uncle was brought into the hospital by ambulance yesterday. Please pray for his healing, and for proper care by the hospital and staff. Thank you in advance.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/19/05:

Joe, I will pray for your uncle, and hope that God will speed his recovery as only He can. Hang in there lad, and know that we are all here to support you. I know that you being with him during this time will bring him much peace of mind and also the staff in hospital will see that he is not alone. Be in peace.

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Liz22 asked on 03/19/05 - Terri Schiavo

May I ask what do you think when it comes to removing the feeding tube from Terri Schiavo who is only 39, even Gov. Jeb Bush still could intervene and order the feeding tube re-inserted.
Starvation is a slow death by dehydration and starvation -- is not a death we would wish for a dog. If the patient has any conscious awareness (as many doctors have said Terri Schiavo does), such a death can be agonizing. Patients may feel pangs of hunger and thirst. Their skin, tongue, and lips may crack. They may suffer nosebleeds, heaving, and vomiting.
In A Christian view should not we do something, and how do you yourself feel about this?
As for me, I am against this, if this really happens why don't they let Dr. Devorkian released from jail here in Michigan, at least he is fast and she wouldn't have to suffer for the two weeks or even longer.


Sounds to me like the Husband just wants to get on with his New Wife and his own life, and forget about Terri's. We feed our babies when they can't feed themselves and it is said from Terris Parents there may be improvement.

And if one did this to a dog, you would be in jail for a year with a 5,ooo fine, and what is next? Cancer the Disabilty?
Thank you, Joy.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/19/05:

I have not been following this story until recently. I was under the impression that she was totally comatose, but when I saw her on TV this morning, sitting up, smiling, moving her eyes when there was movement around her, I feel that removing the feeding tube from her is brutal. This is a very hard case, but to starve someone to death is murder in my eyes. If there is no hope for her, then I would rather see her go peacefully, maybe with a shot to just make her fall asleep and not have to suffer at all. I cannot imagine being starved to death. No food, no water. It is very hard for me to comprehend, and even though the husband says that is what she would want, that she never wanted to be a vegetable, it is only his word. She did not leave any kind of orders if something like this should happen to her. I just hope and yes, pray, that this will be reversed and the feeding tube will be placed back. If not, then I urge everyone to make sure to have a living will written with explicate orders as to what one wishes to be done. I personally could not see someone starve to death. I have seen it years ago, and it is a horrible way to die.

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Lazlow asked on 03/18/05 - Message regarding Liz22

Liz22 isn't feeling so well lately and she won't be able to come to the board for awhile. She just wanted to say hi to everyone.
Email her at whitefawn48@hotmail.com

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/18/05:

I am sorry to hear that your mother is not feeling well. Give her my regards and I hope that she comes back to the board soon. Thank you for letting us know. She is one of the nicest people on the board, and I do hope that she takes care of herself. Let us know how she is doing and you take care of her as well as yourself. :)

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STONY asked on 03/17/05 - WILL BE GONE FOR A FEW DAYS...

KIDNEY SURGERY SCHEDUALED FOR 2 P.M. EST TODAY. SEE YA'LL WHEN IT'S OVER.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/17/05:

My dear Stony, hope to see you on this board soon. Good luck and I know that you will be just fine. :)

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soulfoodsista asked on 03/15/05 - IS THERE REALLY A GOD?

I have a conspiracy theory that we were put on this planet by alien beings. I think that's why people claim they have been abducted. I also think that's why we see UFO's. Because they come back to check on us.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/15/05:

Well, I do believe that there is a God, as for the theory of conspiracy that we were put on this planet by aliens, could be. I know that I have been abducted but not by aliens, or maybe they were. I did see a plate in the sky once, but it was thrown by my grandmother at my grandfather. As for them coming back to check on us, well, only one that I know of that comes back to my house to check up on my wife and myself would be my friends and family. Come to think of it, they are a bit odd looking. :)

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Lazlow asked on 03/15/05 - Liz22 is NOT a terrorist!

I repeat. Liz22 is NOT a terrorist

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/15/05:

I do not know if you should apologize to your mother, or come clean and tell us what is really on your mind. At first, I was angry with you. Now knowing that you are Liz's son, I know that you love your mother, tried to shock us all who did not know you. She is a special lady, and is cared for very much on this board, I hope that you join us here and show her the respect and love that she deserves.:)

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Saladin asked on 03/14/05 - Forgiving and Forgetting ...


I am of the opinion that the phrase "Forgive and Forget" is a counsel of perfection, and that the best we can do when we are wronged is to forgive and then behave as if we had forgotten the offence.

God might be able to forget - "their sins I remember no more" - but human minds, unless altered by trauma, maintain memories of past events, including offences against them, so the best we can do is acknowledge that God gives us the power to forgive, but not the ability to forget, supplying only the love that encourages us to behave as if we had forgotten.

What do YOU think?

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/15/05:

It is very hard to forget, which does not mean that one does not forgive. If we do not forgive we are only harming ourselves, because that eats away at us, not the person who hurt us. However, our minds will always keep the memory of what happened. I see them as seperate though. To not forget, does not harm us, to not forgive does. :)

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Lazlow asked on 03/14/05 - SEIg HeiL The President GASMAN!!! ...and lazlow

Answerway.com, its been a long time coming. I spent two years away from this weird place, and now I return an independent and can say anything I want without Whitefawn watching and telling me not to get her kicked off the board.

What's that? You all think I'm the crazy one? Haha! Not anymore! You people are psychotic freaks.
You buy guns at the local pharmacy.

anyway,

Things have changed since I left. We are at War now-with somebody-and we will stay At War with this mysterious enemy for the rest of our lives.
Its a Religious War, a sort of Christian Jihad, fueled by religious hatred and led by merciless fanatics on both sides. Do you watch the news and believe you are being informed? Or are you enlightened with fear? Why do we vote for rich pricks that screw us heinously each waking day. Who are the nazi pricks that do vote for them? They're all swine. We awoken the beast in the mid 40s, now it is starting to feel hungry. And it will feed on fear. prepare yourself for the ride, or be another one of them, a terrorist, someone who opposes the beast. But who is like the wild beast? Who can do BATTLE with the wild beast? Who can do battle with freedom?
I'm beginning to think that freedom is like Absaloms hair, we don't need it anymore, it will only hurt us in the end, the Bush administration will tell you that. The freedom we cherished is being raped and abused by oily texans who are popular only among old religious freaks. And they're using it to destroy us. Don't start cursing me just yet, I believe in god and sometimes religion, but god's mercy on the swine who follow America with blind-toby keith-admiration.
GOD BLESS THE RED, WHITE AND BLUE OR WE'LL KICK THE SCUM OUT OF YOU!
As Americans we all have a part in this war, even those who don't believe in it. If you're not a part of the solution you're part of the problem. We need to raise hell and form a new heirarchy... The Lazlow Heirarchy



The nazis have won the war

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/15/05:

I do not know who you are, nor do I care. But there is a lot of hatred in you and you should be careful. This is just a board, but if you do this in real life, you will be hurt. Try not to hate lad, it is self destructive. I see that John mentions that you are a young boy. I feel for you if this is how you express your anger. Why not try to control what you truly do not mean. And please, leave Liz22 alone. She does not need to be attacked, and you need to be forgiven by God or whoever you believe or do not believe in. Be at peace lad. :)

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Lazlow asked on 03/14/05 - Liz22 is a terrorist!

Get back evildoer! I shoot at thee swine!

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/14/05:

How dare you come on this board and say something like that about one of the most gentle ladies on here? Shame on you and as quickly as you came, get the heck out. You are not scoring any points with your dumb attack. Put your venom gun away and hope that she forgives you. People like you are sick. Look into a mirror and see who the evil one is. Now scoot, begone!

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Bobbye asked on 03/12/05 - PARACLETE'S COMMENTS:

He has called me dumb; stupid; posting "nothing at all times," etc. THIS IS HIS LATEST!

THIS IS WHY I SUGGESTED THAT WE NEED MODERATORS. Some can be removed for harassing others, while Paraclete runs rampant in his abuse of females.

YOU CAN COMMENT OR IGNORE THIS POST! I'm shedding light on the inequities of this Board and the abuse from Paraclete -- that is ongoing.

Many of us are adult enough to let others post without attack -- although the subject may not interest us. Some must have ONLY SUBJECTS OF INTEREST TO THEM OR THEY ATTACK! Is this adult? Is this Christian? (Paraclete is not the only one who wishes only posts of interest be posted.)

THIS IS AN OPEN BOARD. MANY EXPERTS POSTS THINGS THAT ARE TOTALLY BORING TO ME AND OTHERS. DO WE ATTACK? INSULT? NO, WE ALLOW THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE POSTS TO ENJOY AND RESPOND WITHOUT INSULT.
Bobbye
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paraclete 03/12/05
are you deaf, dumb, blind, and stupid? freethinker has said many times for Ronnie to stay away how then can he moderate?
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jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/12/05:

My dear Bobbye, it is not your problem that someone is rude and crude. No one has the right to call another what Paraclete has you. Maybe he was having one of those "moments" that he threw out at you. I am sure that he will never use that again, at least I hope not. This is not elementary school when kids fling insults at others. It is a mature board, where, if you do not enjoy what someone posts or answers, you either respond in a nice Christian, civil manner, or just ignore. I enjoy all of your posts as I do answers, so I am not saying to forget it, but I think that by now, he has learned his lesson. You are not the only one that he has attacked and you won't be the last. But sometime this lad has to learn to control his childish behavior and act accordingly. He is a good Christian man and I hope that he curtails his abrasive behavior in the future. Be in peace. :)

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STONY asked on 03/12/05 - TO ALL MY PRAYER WARRIORS...

I SPOKE TO SARA YESTERDAY AND HER VOICE WAS CRISP AND CLEAR AND SHE SOUNDED JUST LIKE SHE DID WHEN SHE WAS 17. SHE IS LEARNING TO TAKE ONE STEP AT A TIME AND NOT GET OVERWHELMED BY WHAT TOMORROW MAY BRING. THANK YOU ALL FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR YOUR PRAYERS.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/12/05:

Good news Stony. I am happy that your friend is doing better. One step at a time in the beginning and then two, three, and hopefully she will be fine. Did she ever find a Christian rehab program? I thank God for her positive steps. :)

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Saladin asked on 03/12/05 - Good News on Iraq - at last an Exit Policy!


Christians are rejoicing at Bush's Exit Stategy to get his troops out of Iraq.

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WASHINGTON, DC—Almost a year after the cessation of major combat and a month after the nation's first free democratic elections, President Bush unveiled the coalition forces' strategy for exiting Iraq.

"I'm pleased to announce that the Department of Defense and I have formulated a plan for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq," Bush announced Monday morning. "We'll just go through Iran."

Bush said the U.S. Army, which deposed Iran's longtime enemy Saddam Hussein, should be welcomed with open arms by the Islamic-fundamentalist state.

"And Iran's so nearby," Bush said. "It's only a hop, skip, and a jump to the east."

According to White House officials, coalition air units will leave forward air bases in Iraq and transport munitions to undisclosed locations in Iran.

After 72 to 96 hours of aerial-bomb retreats, armored-cavalry units will retreat across the Zagros mountains in tanks, armored personnel carriers, and strike helicopters.

The balance of the 120,000 troops will exit into the oil-rich borderlands around the Shatt-al-Arab region within 30 days.

Pentagon sources said U.S. Central Command has been formulating the exit plan under guidelines set by Bush.

"The fact is, we've accomplished our goals in Iraq," said General George Casey, the commander of coalition forces in the Iraqi theater. "Now, it's time to bring our men and women home—via Iran."

Questions have been raised about the unprecedented size of the withdrawal budget.

"I'm asking Congress to approve a $187-billion budget to enable us to exit as smoothly as possible," said Casey, whose budget request includes several hundred additional M1A1 Abrams battle tanks, 72 new C-130 cargo planes, and two brigades of artillery. "We're concerned about the safety of our troops, so we need to have the capacity to deal with insurgent forces all the way from the Iraqi border through to Tehran."

Casey has requested a budget increase for the Pentagon, so that the government can reward recruits who serve in the U.S. mission to exit Iraq.

"The plan also includes a minor stopover for refueling and provisional replenishment in Syria," Casey said. "But I don't expect we'll need more than 50,000 additional troops for that stretch of the Iraq pullout."

Bush's plan has met with widespread support.

"The people who said Iraq was a quagmire and that the president would never get our troops out are now eating crow," said Sean Hannity on his popular radio show Tuesday. "Of course, I don't expect anyone will have the honor to come forward and actually admit that they were wrong to question our commander-in-chief."

Sioux Falls, SD's Dianne Haverbuck, who has two sons in the military, said she was pleased to hear of the impending exit.

"Don and Kenneth have already been in Iraq an extra four months, so it's so good to hear that they'll finally be leaving that dangerous place," Haverbuck said. "I can't tell you how happy I was when the president said—what was it? I wrote it down. 'Getting our troops out of the Middle East and back home to their families is a viable long-term goal.'"

"I can't wait to see the boys," Haverbuck added.

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Hoseini-Khamenei welcomed the exit plan.

"Let the Allied armies come to Iran," Khamenei said. "I believe I can assure you that, if they do withdraw here, their brothers-in-arms in the Islamic Republican Army, the Revolutionary Guards Corps, the Quds special forces units, and the Basij Popular Mobilization Army will no doubt do everything they can to make the troops' trip back home memorable."

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Is this the news you have been waiting for?

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/12/05:

I think that we all would like this to happen, but whether it will is yet to be seen. :)

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HANK1 asked on 03/12/05 - NO ANSWER NEEDED:



I've been 'looking over the Board' this morning and feeling great about what I've been reading. You know somethin'? We have a great, great bunch of 'guys and dolls' participating on this Board. I've been grinning for at least an hour. I'm quite sure the guy up above is damn proud of us all ... no matter how we feel about anything! Go Cubs! Go Illini!

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/12/05:

Yes, the board does look great. I am looking forward to the debate, but it was fun just seeing the sparring going on between Ronnie and Choux. I think that the debate is a good idea, but the proof of God lies within those that believe, those who do not, well, then the scientific proof would be up to them, would it not? The only proof that I need is that I believe as do so many on this board, to the ones who do not, enjoy life and all the best.
:)

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Ccl471 asked on 03/09/05 - Welsh Calvinistic Methodism

What is Welsh Calvinistic Methodism? "Calvinistic Methodism?" Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Kind of like "Calvinistic Arminianism."


Many thanks,

C.L.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/09/05:

I believe that it is a very strong denomination of the Presbyterian Church in Wales. :)

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ROLCAM asked on 03/08/05 - Foreign preachers face tests !!


Religious leaders from abroad working in Britain will have to prove their understanding of civic life under proposals announced.

What are the proposals announced?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/09/05:

I have not heard anything about this. Maybe if you google it, you will get an answer. Sorry wish I could help. But if you find out, can you post it? I would be interested in knowing.

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arcura asked on 03/08/05 - Freethinker provides our faith with a blessing.

I believe that.
His challenges to our faith, our Holy Scripture, and our belief system give us the opportunity to exercise of faith and thus makes it stronger. To me that is an unintended blessing from him.
Do you agree? If not why not?
Peace and kindness, arcura

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/09/05:

I do not see that freethinker is challenging my faith. I have no doubts as to what I believe and it does not matter what who says. My faith is very strong and, even though, I do understand what freethinker is trying to say, because I was much like him at one time, there is nothing that can either strengthen nor weaken my belief. I do see that he is making a large impact on this board, however. Almost everything that is posted has to do with his thoughts. Perhaps those that are not that strong in their faith, feel that they have to defend their beliefs, but the ones who truly do accept and believe, his input is just that of someone who has a different perspective than most on here do. I wish all well.

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paraclete asked on 03/08/05 - Just as we prayed for Florida

Please now pray for the people in Northern Australia as a killer cyclone bears down on them

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Evacuations-underway-as-Ingrid-creeps-closer/2005/03/09/1110316044524.html

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/09/05:

I heard about it this morning. My thoughts are with all those involved and will thank God for all to be safe.

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MaggieB asked on 03/08/05 - Being an atheist...

Can an atheist get insurance against acts of God?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/08/05:

Of course, that is when an Atheist starts to believe that there is a God! Seriously, I have noticed more Atheists ask where was God, even during the recent Tsunami, then a Christian or any other religious group did. Strange, that one who has no belief in a God(s) would want to blame something on an entity he/she did not believe in, in the first place. :)

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paraclete asked on 03/08/05 - When is an athiest not an athiest?

when he is an agnostic

An athiest says there is no God. Categorically, undoubtedly, emphatically

An agnostic says there might be a God or there might not be, he is just waiting to be convinced either way.

Freethinker our selfstyled athiest says the following;

"I do not say that there is no god.
Maybe there is, maybe not."

So, here is an athiest who is not an athiest. Once you cease to be an athiest and are willing to admit the possibilty of the existance of God, you admit that your former beliefs were wrong. You may not actually say so, but that is what has happened.

So now we view things from a new perspective, there might be a God. The reality, freethinker, is that there is a God. His name is Jesus (Yeshua) also known as YHWH. This person, for He is a person, loves you freethinker, and that message of love is contained within the Bible. He doesn't mind skeptics, He wants you to know Him because you want to, not because He has forced you.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/08/05:

When he becomes a freethinker??? :)

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Geedubya84 asked on 03/08/05 - More moose

I can only get here sometime because my work is busy. Too much bad trouble now. Not good. No peace. Too much moose. Will moose go away?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/08/05:

Maybe Moose is bad because you spend too much time on Moose. Let Moose run free! Don't pay attention to Moose and then the trouble will go away and peace will be yours. :)

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freethinker asked on 03/07/05 - Why are most people here pulling their own legs?


This is the christianity board, so this is the board you can post questions on christianity and all related matters.
Now, you may believe from me whatever you want, but your posts have to make some sense.
If you post : "God wants this or that from us" you actually say : "I BELIEVE that God wants this or that from us".
That is because so far nobody ever has provided proof for God's existence, and for the bible being God's word.

Many people post here as if this board is reserved for christians only, and that is NOT TRUE.

So please think about the many people participating on this board who have different opinions, and post as clearly as you can.
No more "God's this" but "I believe that God this".

Thank you, and your comments are welcome.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/07/05:

People write what they feel. If one wishes to write that God wants, rather than I believe that God wants, that is their prerogative. It is not for anyone to judge what who feels. While there is no proof of God's existence, the same can be said for, there is no proof that he does not. It is all in the belief, faith, of the individual. Just as I cannot tell you that you are wrong, you cannot tell me that I am wrong. Hope that you are doing well. :)

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freethinker asked on 03/07/05 - What's wrong with pointing out, Ronnie / Saladin ?


I refer to Ronnie Saladin's post on grammar on the board.
Personally, with English being my third language, I frequently will make spelling and grammar faults.
But ANYONE who reads my posts (whatever they think about the content) will KNOW I do my best to write the English as good as I can.

Now : what is Ronnie's post about?
I reacted to one of the experts here on the board who managed to type in two different posts the word BELIEVE as BELEIVE 7+ times in total.
You ALWAYS get a correction page before posting questions and clarifications.
Are experts here too lazy to use these?

The INTERNET GUIDELINE about spelling correction is there because foreigners OF COURSE make spelling mistakes when typing English.
But Americans/Australians/English people who are TOO LAZY to correct their spelling and grammar mistakes?

If one may not react to that, WHY not?
And who is actually NITPICKING here?

I or Ronnie Saladin?

Why does Ronnie Saladin not remove his blocking on my posts, if he so dearly wants to communicate with and about me?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/07/05:

My dear lad, English is my third language as well. Even though my father was British, because he was not home often, I spoke the language of my mother and the area's where I lived. I do not think that Ronnie, meant anything by writing what he did. If we start picking out errors, then that means that we are the ones who are having a problem with deciphering something, not the person who is writing it. As long as something is comprehensible and we can read between the lines, then I see nothing wrong. Do not give it a second thought. We are all adults here, and should not be so anal as to correct spelling and grammar errors. It is the thought that counts. :)

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arcura asked on 03/07/05 - What is your favorite? I ask and pray that all these blessing be for you all here, arcura

Irish Blessings

Wherever you go and
whatever you do,
May the luck of the Irish
Be there with you!

May your glass be ever full
May the roof over your head
be always strong
And may you be in heaven
Half an hour before
The devil knows you're dead.

May your thoughts be as glad as the shamrock
May your heart be as light as a song
May each day bring you bright happy hours
That stay with you all year long.

May the lilt of Irish laughter
Lighten every load
May the mist of Irish magic
Shorten every road

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/07/05:

I always enjoyed the "And may you be in heaven, half an hour before the devil knows you're dead." It says something about life as well. Do good before someone does something bad. :)

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Saladin asked on 03/07/05 - The Grammar ands Spelling Police are back on the board!



Is it acceptable for an expert to correct the spelling and grammar of other experts?

If so, should we hold the Policemen to the same standards they raise for others?

Your thoughts, please.


:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/07/05:

I writs it as I's speks it. Ifen' no one understendin' me, wells, ave the law peeple drps in. Always cop of cofie is on da stov.
I think that if one gets a point across that pertains to the question, then who really cares about the spelling and grammar? I never pay attention to that. If I can phonetically get the gist of the answer or question then that is all that is important. My opinion. :)

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Choux asked on 03/07/05 - Problems, Problems Today

I'm a little annoying today because I have had sciatica for two days running now, little sleep, and I went out of the house for the second time in a year with the help of my dear homemaker and friend Doris, and was terrified if I could handle just average stuff.

I apologize, and Wings, thanks for alerting me to my being too obnoxious. :):):)

If anyone can offer suggestions, please help me.

Regards, Mary Sue

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/07/05:

My dear Choux, Sorry to hear that you are in discomfort. I have had a bout with sciatica and it is very painful. I try not to move around too much and if you have a heating pad, well, that plus Advil helped me. My doctor wanted to give me a shot in that area, but I did not take it. Hope that you are feeling better. Wishing you a quick recovery. :)

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arcura asked on 03/04/05 - Gone Phishing? Don't and avoid it. It's Evil.

Watchdog Warns of Spike in Phishing Attacks
Thu Mar 3, 3:22 PM ET

Elizabeth Millard, www.newsfactor.com
The Anti-Phishing Working Group (APWG) has released a report on recent phishing activity, tactic that often allows them to go undetected.
The U.S. continues to be the top location for phishing sites, the group noted, followed by China and Korea.
Also of concern in the report is that malicious Web sites frequently attempt to install keylogger programs, most likely for password theft. The sites take advantage of known browser vulnerabilities to install the programs on a user's site.
Brand Disloyalty
The number of company names being used in phishing attacks also has increased.
When phishing first began, Citibank was the main target, as phishers attempted to convince users that they were acting on behalf of the financial institution.
But now, many other brand names are used in a similar fashion. Phishers succeed in convincing up to 5 percent of online users to respond, making them vulnerable to identity theft and financial loss, according to the APWG.
Serious Problem
The sharp rise in phishing activity highlights a serious problem, said Dave Jevans, APWG chairman.
"What's going on is alarming, and it poses a danger to users," he told NewsFactor. "We need user education, but that's not all that has to be done."
Phishers pose a particular problem, Jevans added, because they're highly organized and motivated by money -- unlike typical virus writers.
Phishers are "very technologically savvy, and they'll try anything if they think it will work," he remarked.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/05/05:

There is another thing that my oldest daughter warned me about. If someone calls you, and you do not know them, never say the word "yes" because they can retape your voice with the yes, meaning that you are accepting whatever services they are offering. Just another thing that we have to be careful about today. :)

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kindj asked on 03/04/05 - New book by Pope

Maybe some of you had heard about it, but it was news to me so I thought I would share:

Pope Faces Down Evil with New Book

Breaking from NewsMax.com

Pope John Paul II may be ailing, but he is not afraid to speak out.

Already the Pope's newest book - just released in Europe - is creating headlines around the world.

In his most candid writings yet, John Paul II's "Memory and Identity, Conversations Between Millenniums" tackles hot button issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage, and fearlessly makes the case for his Church's positions.

Written in a question-and-answer format, the book is said to be a must-read not only for Catholics, but also for Christians concerned about the direction Western society is heading.

Though just published, it is already soaring to the top of the world's best-seller lists. The global anticipation is reminiscent of the excitement generated by his first book, "Crossing the Threshold of Hope," which came out a decade ago and sold 20 million copies.

The new book is scheduled to be released in the U.S. next month.

"Memory and Identity" has already set off a heated controversy in Germany and among Jewish groups after it was revealed that the Pope compares abortion to the Nazi Holocaust. In Germany, for example, a leader of the country's Central Council of Jews called the comparison "unacceptable."

According to press reports, the Pope:

Recalls his near-death memories after the attempt on his life, and compares abortion to the Holocaust.
Denounces gay marriages as part of "a new ideology of evil." He argues that same-sex marriages threaten society by undermining the traditional family.
Takes another swing at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them. "It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.
Calls abortion "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century. The Pope openly talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II.
Writes about Turkish gunman Mehmet Ali Agca, who shot and nearly killed him in St. Peter's Square on May 13, 1981. The Pope believes the gunman did not act alone, suggesting that the former Soviet Communist Bloc was probably behind the plot. The Pope says that the assassination attempt was not the gunman's initiative: "Someone else masterminded it and someone else commissioned it."
Posits a connection between the assassination attempt and "the last convulsion" of the ideologies of the 20th century - a clear reference to the Communist bloc.
Warns that new evils as bad as the Nazis and Communism are rising, and claims that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries are today allowing what he calls "new forms of evil" and new exterminations.
"There is still, however, a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes. "And this time we are talking about an extermination which has been allowed by nothing less than democratically elected parliaments where one normally hears appeals for the civil progress of society and all humanity," he writes.

At a news conference introducing the Pope's new book, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican's top doctrinal official, explained the Pope's comparison of abortion and the Holocaust by noting that the Pope was warning that evil lurked everywhere, "even in liberal political systems."

"Memory and Identity" is based on the Pope's conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides. Marketing materials from Orion Books, the publisher of the English edition, say the book reflects on the most challenging issues and events of the Pope's turbulent times.

"Pope John Paul II reveals his personal thoughts in a truly historic document," Orion writes. "The world's greatest communicator offers a moving insight into his intellectual and spiritual journey and pastoral experience."

With the Pope in his twilight years, the publisher notes this book contains his last words for posterity, "an intellectual and spiritual testament in an attempt to seek the answer to defining problems that vex our lives."

An Associated Press (AP) story takes it a step further: The book, it says, looks at Western Civilization with the goal of identifying nothing less than the "roots of evil."

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/04/05:

I am very interested in reading it. There will be things in his book that I will not agree with, but I am sure that there will be many points of interest nevertheless. :)

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ETWolverine asked on 03/04/05 - For Freethinker, and everyone else too.

As you may know, Freethinker ad I have been having a discussion about the Death Penalty in the USA. For the full text of the discussion, click here.

Freethinker takes the anti-capital punishment side of the debate, while I take the pro- side. Freethinker has two main reasons that he is anti-death penalty:

1) Killing is killing, and state-sanctioned killing is no different, and
2) As long as there is the possibility that a person may be executed in error, there should be no death penalty. Life in prison is a preferable alternative because the criminal is still taken out of society.

I deal with both of these issues in my own arguments. Please click the link above for details of my arguments.

But a new point has come to light in this morning's paper.

From the NY Post of 3/4/05:

TRAGIC $5M BLUNDER
By GERSH KUNTZMAN

New York state must pay $5.5 million in damages to the victims of a career thug who went on a deadly rape spree in Long Island shortly after he was mistakenly released from prison due to a court clerk's screw-up.

Court of Claims Judge Alan Marin's ruling held that the state is more liable for the murder and two rapes committed by Franklin Scruggs than Scruggs himself — because the perpetrator was wrongly freed from an upstate prison, where he still had 13 years on an unrelated assault sentence.

"It's a landmark case," said Jerrold Parker, lawyer for the estate of Michelle Brey, who was raped and beaten to death by Scruggs in October 1998 — less than a year after his release.

"This is the first time a state has been held liable for damages after wrongly releasing a convict."

Brey's three children — who were 5, 7, and 9 at the time of their mother's murder — will share $3.6 million of the $5.5 million ruling. The remainder will go to Scruggs' other victim, who survived the rape and assault two weeks earlier.

Her name is being withheld.

"We're obviously pleased with the ruling," said Steven Palermo, the unidentified rape victim's lawyer. "But it's troubling because the state has never accepted responsibility for what happened."

Lawyers for the Attorney General's Office argued the state should not be held liable for Scruggs' two-week rape spree. But Marin's ruling, handed down last week and first reported yesterday, blamed the state for a lack of "oversight or any effective managerial controls [and] the many opportunities to catch the error."

"The communications passing between [the state employees] was akin to a game of telephone," the judge wrote. "This mistake was never brought out by a system of internal controls . . . That took additional violent felonies by Scruggs."

Any number of state employees could have caught the error, the judge found.

Scruggs had been serving a 20-years-to-life sentence at Great Meadow Correctional Facility for assault and reckless endangerment. An appeals court threw out the reckless-endangerment charge and ordered a lower court to resentence Scruggs.

The records coordinator at the upstate prison had sent a letter reminding the lower-court judge to return Scruggs to serve out the remainder of his assault charge. But that judge's clerk forgot about the remaining sentence and issued an order to release Scruggs outright.

The prison records coordinator also forgot about his remaining assault and released him after the clerk's order in November 1997.

Scruggs met his first victim, a mother of two children, in a Suffolk County bar on Sept. 26, 1998. He offered her a ride home, but then parked the car on a secluded road and beat and raped her.

Two weeks later, Scruggs raped and killed Brey, a divorced mom of three. Her body was found on the beach in Rocky Point.

Scruggs is now serving a life sentence for his crimes. He's eligible for parole in 2029. He'll be 69.

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Freethinker's 2nd argument is that "as long as mistakes can be made in executions, we should not allow executions: life imprisonment is a better alternative, because it takes the criminal off the street forever".

I think that this article gives the exact OPPOSITE argument: as long as there is a chance that depraved criminals can be accidentally (or purposely) released or escape, the only way to be sure that they do not become a danger to society again (as this criminal did, committing 2 rapes and a murder) is to have and use the death penalty. After all, if the possibility of a mistake is the argument for eliminating the death penalty, then it should have equal power to do the opposite. And the possibility of accidentally releasing a criminal or having a criminal escape is at LEAST as high as the possibility of an execution in error. Moreso, in fact. There have actually been escapes and errors that allowed releases. There has NEVER been a proven case of execution in error.

I know that many of you disagree with a death penalty on moral grounds. But I am still curious to hear your points of view regarding this argument.

Elliot

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/04/05:

I really get upset with this issue. It seems that the victims rights are forgotten. A person kills another, the victim is dead, yet, the one who killed that person should be given a life sentence, where, as you point out, he can escape on his own, or because of a bureaucratic screw-up. But what about the person who is dead? Does that not count in anyway?Just because there might be a slight chance that the wrong person was responsible, is that enough of a reason for letting a murderer live and still be able to smell the air? I agree with you Elliot. I can see drug dealers, robbers, abusers, get a sentence that gives them freedom after serving time in jail, but a murderer? No, I do not think so. I wonder if Freethinker's child, wife, parents or any loved one was killed, and he knew who the murderer was, would he still feel the way he does?

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hOPE12 asked on 03/04/05 - Job 31:1

Hello Everyone,

In Job 31:1 it says: ൧ “A covenant I have concluded with my eyes. So how could I show myself attentive to a virgin?"

What did Job mean in saying that he had made a covenant with his eyes and so was not attentive to a virgin?


Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/04/05:

I think that what he meant was that he made a promise before God that his eyes and his mind were to be used for pure thoughts. He had a great desire to please God and therefore he decided to focus his eyes only in a certain direction so that he would not be tempted by any woman but his wife. That was his covenant with God. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 03/04/05 - Finders Keepers?

Hello Everyone,

the finders-keepers mentality has made thieves out of potentially honest people. The Bible, though, told God’s people in ancient times: “When you see a fellow-countryman’s ox or sheep straying, do not ignore it but take it back to him. If the owner is not a near neighbour and you do not know who he is, take the animal into your own house and keep it with you until he claims it, and then give it back to him. Do the same with his ass or his cloak or anything else that your fellow-countryman has lost, if you find it.”—Deuteronomy 22:1-3, The New English Bible.

My question is this, you have found a bag with $25,000
in a taxi you just got into. What should you do with the money? Now everyone, be honest, what would you really do?

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/04/05:

I was told when I was a wee lad, that if it does not belong to you, it is not yours. If I were to find that amount or any amount/thing, I would return it to the person who lost it, if there was an address or phone number. Otherwise, I would go to the nearest police station and hand it in. What happens from there on in, is up to someone else. At least I can go to sleep at night with a clear and not guilt ridden mind. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 03/04/05 - Stolen Goods, possible stolen goods????

How do God fearing people view the purchasing of stolen goods?

Many of us have most likely come across those selling watches at very cheap rates, or other truck loads of goods. Do you even though you know they are probably stolen, buy them anyway? Or maybe just say, I didn't see them stealing those items so it's okay. What do you do in this type of situation?

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/04/05:

Living in NYC I see these people all the time. I prefer to go into a store and buy what I need. I do not know if they are selling stolen goods or just knock-offs and using the brand names. However, I would not feel good about buying stolen goods or even the knock-offs. That is my opinion, what others do is their business. I see many people that do buy and I cannot judge them for that is up to God, not me. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 03/03/05 - A quick call!

Hello God,
>I called tonight
>To talk a little while
>I need a friend who'll listen
>To my anxiety and trial.
>You see, I can't quite make it
>Through a day just on my own...
>I need your love to guide me,
>So I'll never feel alone.
>I want to ask you please to keep
>My family safe and sound.
>Come and fill their lives with confidence
>For whatever fate they're bound.
>Give me faith, dear God, to face
>Each hour throughout the day,
>And not to worry over things
>I can't change in any way.
>I thank you God for being home
>And listening to my call,
>For giving me such good advice
>When I stumble and fall.
>Your number, God, is the only one
>That answers every time.
>I never get a busy signal,
>Never had ! to pay a dime.
>So thank you, God, for listening
>To my troubles and my sorrow.
>Good night, God, I love You too,
>And I'll call again tomorrow!
>
>Send this to all your friends and family.
>Including the person who sent it to you.
>Anyone that you love and care about.
>Let them know God is there for them always
>even when everyone else has betrayed you
>and left you.
>
>
>
>Many "friends" will walk in and out of your life but only true

friends
will
leave footprints in your heart. Know the difference between a

"friend" and
a
friend......
>
>THANKS TO GOD

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/03/05:

I know that God's line is always open to you Joe, as well as to all who need Him. :)

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Ccl471 asked on 03/03/05 - Molem

What's a molem?


Many thanks,

C.L.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/03/05:

One of the Experts misspelled Muslim and someone played with the word. It became Molem. It was all done in jest, not offending anyone. That is what I remember. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 03/03/05 - What are your thoughts?

Hello Everyone,

We all have our own little private thoughts. Some of these thoughts are not always good, while some are pleasant. Does our private thoughts in any way reflect on our relationship with God? Does it matter even if we think bad thoughts or is it just bad if we act upon them? Why do you so answer?

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/03/05:

First of all I believe that God our Creator knows what thoughts we have. We all have some that we try to push away, never act on them. They are fleeting little "amount to nothing" thoughts and He did gives us free will of choice. So, you might think something, God knows it as well as you do, understands it, and you, as a moral and ethical person just delete it from your thought process. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 03/03/05 - Are you Grateful?

Hello Everyone,

On Niacin 14 Jesus gave his life for all of us. If Jesus came to your house, what would be the thing you would do to show Jesus you really appreciate what he has done for you?

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/03/05:

I would show him my heart, and my family and the faith that we have as well as the love that we have for each other and our neighbors.Sandra would probably cook up a storm and feed him and mother him and ask him what he liked to eat as a child. :)

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bal317 asked on 03/02/05 - Getting down on knees

I was just going through the unfortunate stack of obit's I have acquired, as many knows our Family seems to of loss several this last year.
Anyway, I ran across my 90 yr. old Uncle's, and remembered his daughter saying at his funeral, what she loved and did not realize her Father still did, and that was at night he would get down on his knees by his bed and Pray with her Mother. She later told him she was surprised he still Prayed like that, specially at his age. He said, there is no one so big, or old that they should not get down on their knees being humble to Pray to God.

My question is, When is the last time any of you got down on your knees to Pray?
Do you feel this is the way to show being humble?

I must admit, it's been a while for me, even tho I do Pray, just not on my knees. So I am going to start.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/03/05:

Since God is with me at all times, I feel humble in any position that I might be in. I admire those who do kneel in prayer, but I think that is a choice that we make for ourselves. If your heart is humbled by Him and you surrender yourself to doing His work here, I respect all people, whether they say silent prayers while working, or kneeling at night to say their "thank you" for being there for me and for those that I love. :)

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Terance asked on 03/02/05 - I cannot believe

Hi Experts
I find it hard to believe in Christianity or any other religion, is this condition permanent or does anyone know of a cure for it? Please help me to understand because I really need guidance. :(
Thank you
Tel

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/02/05:

The cure lies within you. I assume that you are seeking to believe in something, but yet, you still do not know what. You have come to a crossroad in your life. I had that happen to me, when I thought that I was an Atheist, did not believe in God or any religion. I went through life, but felt a certain void. Then I started to read and study most religions, and found a niche for myself, something that I felt comfortable with. I became a Christain and I feel fulfilled now. So, with patience and a real need to have faith, you will achieve it on your own, or with the help of others. You are reaching out and that to me means that you do want to believe in a higher power, something that will give you peace of mind. I wish you luck. Do not let anyone sway you, or discourage you. It is your choice and your choice alone. Be well. :)

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Mathatmacoat asked on 03/02/05 - Making a difference

This just arrived in my intray, I thought I would share it with you.

TODAY I WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE ---
by Max Lucado

Today I will make a difference. I will begin by controlling my thoughts. A person is the product of his thoughts. I want to be happy and hopeful. Therefore, I will have thoughts that are happy and hopeful. I refuse to be victimized by my circumstances. I will not let petty inconveniences such as stoplights, long lines, and traffic jams be my masters. I will avoid negativism and gossip. Optimism will be my companion, and victory will be my hallmark. Today I will make a difference.

>I will be grateful for the twenty-four hours that are before me. Time is a precious commodity. I refuse to allow what little time I have to be contaminated by self-pity, anxiety, or boredom. I will face this day with the joy of a child and the courage of a giant. I will drink each minute as though it is my last. When tomorrow comes, today will be gone forever. While it is here, I will use it for loving and giving. Today I will make a difference.

I will not let past failures haunt me. Even though my life is scarred with mistakes, I refuse to rummage through my trash heap of failures. I will admit them. I will correct them. I will press on. Victoriously. No failure is fatal. It's OK to stumble… I will get up. It's OK to fail…

I will rise again. Today I will make a difference.
I will spend time with those I love. My spouse, my children, my family.

A man can own the world but be poor for the lack of love. A man can own nothing and yet be wealthy in relationships. Today I will spend at least five minutes with the significant people in my world. Five quality minutes of talking or hugging or thanking or listening. Five undiluted minutes with my mate, children, and friends.

Today I will make a difference.

Even though my life is scarred with mistakes, I refuse to rummage through my trash heap of failure. I will admit them. I will correct them. I will press on.
_________________________________
From On the Anvil
Copyright 1985 Max Lucado


What difference will you make today?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/02/05:

I have learned this lesson some fifteen years ago. Suddenly, I no longer get angry, little things do not bother me, nor do the big ones. I give love and receive love, and it is too bad that I learned this lesson deep into my years, but I did. So, you can pass me on the road, you can stop in front of me, and I never mind taking the trash out! :)

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kindj asked on 03/02/05 - Not a question...

...but I don't care. :)

An old man, probably some ninety plus years, sat feebly on the park bench. He didn't move, just sat with his head down staring at his hands. When I sat down beside him he didn't acknowledge my presence and the longer I sat I wondered if he was ok. Finally, not really wanting to disturb him but wanting to check on him at the same time, I asked him if he was ok. He raised his head and looked at me and smiled.
"Yes, I'm fine, thank you for asking," he said in a clear strong voice.
"I didn't mean to disturb you, sir, but you were just sitting here staring at your hands ! and I wanted to make sure you were ok?" I explained to him.
"Have you ever looked at your hands?" he asked. "I mean really looked at your hands."
I slowly opened my hands and stared down at them. I turned them over, palms up and then palms down. No, I guess I had never really looked at my hands as I tried to figure out the point he was making.
Then he smiled and related this story:
Stop and think for a moment about the hands you have, how they have served you well throughout your years. These hands, though wrinkled, shriveled and weak have been the tools I have used all my life to reach out and grab and embrace life. They braced and caught my fall when as a toddler I crashed upon the floor. They put food in my mouth and clothes ! on my back. As a child my mother taught me to fold them in prayer. They tied my shoes and pulled on my boots. They dried the tears of my children and caressed the love of my life.
They held my rifle and wiped my tears when I went off to war. They have been dirty, scraped and raw, swollen and bent. They were uneasy and clumsy when I tried to hold my newborn son. Decorated with my wedding band they showed the world that I was married and loved someone special.
They wrote the letters home and trembled and shook when I buried my parents and spouse and walked my daughter down the aisle. Yet, they were strong and sure when I dug my buddy out of a foxhole and lifted a plow off of my best friends foot. They have held children, consoled neighbors, and shook in fists of anger when I didn't understand. They have covered my face, combed my hair, and washed and clean! sed the rest of my body.
They have been sticky and wet, bent and broken, dried and raw. And to this day when not much of anything else of me works real well these hands hold me up, lay me down, and again continue to fold in prayer. These hands are the mark of where I've been and the ruggedness of my life. But more importantly it will be these hands that God will reach out and take when he leads me home. And He won't care about where these hands have been or what they have done. What He will care about is to whom these hands belong and how much He loves these hands. And with these hands He will lift me to His side and there I will use these hands to touch the face of Christ.
No doubt I will never look at my hands the same again. I never saw the old man again after I left the park that day but I will never forget him and the words he spoke. When my hands are hurt or sore or when I stroke the face of my children and wife I think of the man in the park.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/02/05:

I think that any man can identify with this, as wall as a woman. Thank you for this, it was very touching lad. :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 03/02/05 - Report Abuse From Hank!!!!!!!

I reported abuse of how Hank was answering my question. They intern said to me that I could be suspended because my question was off topic. This is crazy. It will give others the right to say whatever they want? At the same time I know that there are many experts here that go off topic all the time. Why is that???????? Why are all of them not being suspended??????? Answerway is all screwed up. They keep the people around that are causing problems. They get rid of people who actually bring life to this board.......

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/02/05:

So far, I have not seen anything positive from you. I know that probably somewhere you are being misunderstood, just cannot quite understand where? Be in peace. :)

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Pete_Hanysz asked on 03/02/05 - ATON

As a result of allegations made by choux, ATON2 has asked me to post the following on his behalf:

l. I have never been friends with Choux/Mary Sue, at
any time, anywhere.

2. I have never been ill or in financial difficulty: I
have been independently wealthy since I retired at the
age of 48. Have always been in perfect health.

3. I was NEVER an expert in 'Emotional Wellbeing'.

4. I was NEVER a Hindu/Catholic.

5. I do not NOW, nor have I ever had a BROTHER in
Oklamhoma.

6. I am not NOW, nor have I EVER been a MUSLIM

7. I am not Gay....and I do not have, nor have I EVER
had Aids.

8. I have never posted anywhere, anytime as MARKY.

I intend to report the lies to Datheus, but I do want
the board to KNOW she is lying.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/02/05:

I do not have all the knowledge that most of you posses because of not knowing all of you for a long period of time. All I do know, is that I did enjoy Aton, he was upfront, yes, he did attack Experts, and that was not called for, but he has a vast knowledge of Christianity, as well as other religions. I, do miss him and was a little disturbed to find out that he was suspended. I have seen the spats, but they always had a way of working themselves out. I did not agree with him at times, but that is when I would not answer or rate. As for Choux, I do not know who this Marky person is, nor do I care. However, I do know that one day she was in love with Aton, singing his praises and the next day she would berate him. Very much as she does Ronnie, CeeBee, Visions as well as others.I cannot believe that Choux is mean by nature, nor that she meant to refer to him as someone else on a constant basis. I know that she has called me by other names, and I just brought it to her attention, and she would say "I am sorry." That was it. I truly hope that Aton comes back. The board was interesting with him on it, and if he did attack some issues, or some people, the people did fight back and got their points across. So, maybe Choux made a mistake, or forgot, but I know that deep down she did/does care for Aton, as Aton has admitted on the board that he cared for her. They had their unique way of jabbing at each other. I respect both, and am sorry that all of this had to happen.

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arcura asked on 03/01/05 - Very important! For your information. I tested this and it is TRUE.

Google has implemented a new feature wherein you can type someone's
telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will be
given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the MapQuest link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up your own number.

Read below for details. Think about it--if a child, gives out his/her
phone number to someone they can actually now look it up to find out
where he/she lives. The safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In
order to test whether your phone number is mapped, go to: www.google.com, type your phone number in the search bar
(i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK Google from
divulging your private information, simply click on your phone number.
Removal takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea just to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you a direct map to your house. Please forward this on to friends and family.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/01/05:

I think that only the numbers that are listed in the phone registry will give you that information. If your number is private, it will not. :)

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arcura asked on 03/01/05 - For your Easter preperations enjoyment.......


This is better with sound~~
http://media.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/2461/flyin_egg_fight.swf>


jeremy_hobbs answered on 03/01/05:

Fred, right at the crucial moment, I bent over to pick up a piece of paper, so it went over my head, and hit my next door neighbor! LOL! :)

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Pete_Hanysz asked on 02/28/05 - ATON

ATON has been suspended.

Do you want him back?
..or do you want this board to turn into a meaningless page of pasted prose.

Yes or no

No comments please.

Pete

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/28/05:

I, like Ronnie, did not agree with everything that Aton said, nor the way he said it, but if we all agree on everything, where are we going to learn to see and understand different points of view? I for one, will miss him and hope that he comes back soon. Okay, you did not want comments, but you got mine, plus a big YES. :)

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freethinker asked on 02/27/05 - More on blessing


On my question on blessings most of the answers were on the positive effect emerging from these blessing requests.
But what about all these cases where we have major human catastrophies?
Like the far-eastern natural disaster following the earthquake off-sumatra and the resulting tsunami.

If one claims all POSITIVES that happen to humanity to god, you can not claim all NEGATIVES that happen to that same humanity NOT to god.
Was there a lack of "blessing" to Sumatra, Thailand, Shri Lanka, India, and the eastern African countries?
If so, based on what do you base that conclusion?
And if not, is that request for "blessing" not a futile excercise, and mainly - like I already suggested - a feel good christian activity ?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/28/05:

A blessing is a form of good will. It applies to both negative and positive. You can bless someone, meaning that you wish them well and are thinking of them. There is nothing futile in one who believes that by saying "my blessing to you, or God bless you." Perhaps it is hard for you to understand, it was for me, but once you start to believe, even those who have strayed or are not as religious as the other person, there is nothing wrong with blessing. Perhaps it is just Christian babble, but I think that there are many religions besides Christian, that do bless other's. If you take the Tsunami, which was not an act of God, you can still bless those that have lost their lives, have survived as well as those who have helped, meaning that you feel the sorrow of this tragic event. As I said, it does not only apply to a positive, but to a negative as well. Be in peace lad. :)

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MaggieB asked on 02/27/05 - How do you explain God's blessings?

To an defeatest unbeliever it is a futile endeavor. It is foolishness to their thoughts and minds. The ideas of the unregenerate are futile and aimless because they lack divine insight, because they are alienated from God

If a believer says God bless you they are wishing you well.


There are very few unbelievers who will ask a Christian to pray for them unless they are having big time problems. Christians most of the time will ask other Christians to pray for them because they believe, trust, have faith in God that His children are in complete agreement together for the purpose of
helping another out.

God's blessings are unmeasurable as is His love. If you have never experienced salvation from the indwelling Spirit of Christ then you are at an loss to what blessings are to a Christian.

I have many blessings for which I am thankful, too many to number but I can give you one expression of a blessing of which I received.

Our 16 yr. old son was critically injured in a vehicle
accident. He had broken neck, internal injuries, left leg torn away from his body, irrepairable brain injuries, lived 2 days in CCU. We were devastated, any parent would be, because you love your children, you want them to grow into fine adults and enjoy life together with them or their families for years to come.

We were told if he were not in such good physical shape that he would not have lived 2 days, the doctors are very frank and honest with you. And yes, as Christians ( very many prayed) for him to live. It was not to be, I never questioned God but trusted Him that He knew what was best. For our son to have lived he would have been a complete vegetable.

I did tell God that if He saw fit to let him live I would take care of him, how was I to know that my health and the health of my husband (who has had 2 complete heart-transplants) would not remain good enough to do all the things that would have had to have been done to take care of him daily.

A blessing yes, God gave us this young, handsome, loving son to love and share with our family and friends for 16 yrs. and then gave us the courage and strength to endure the pain and loneliness that followed and again share the love of others because of him. He has passed on to the Father but his spirit is with us daily and in our conversations when wwe gather together and remember the joy and laughter of which he brought to us and others. The Bible tells us that our mourning will turn to joy and ultimately in time it does. We would have missed so much had we not known Phil, he was a blessing (a joy and friend) to all he met.

Blessings are gifts from God and it depends on the person as to how they are accepted or utilized.

We know that God gave us a blessing and we have received many, many more! They may not be as we thought they would be but they were what God saw best for us as we became stronger in our faith and much wiser to the wisdom of God. We serve an 'awesome God'.

MaggieB

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/28/05:

Maggie, I was saddened to hear of the loss of your son. However, I am also happy that you feel comfort in knowing that you were blessed and are still blessed with his memory. Life sometimes gives us many blows, and that is when we are tested in our faith. If we continue to believe, we find comfort. If we start to question and reject, that is when we lose focus and ourselves in the process. You are a strong lady and I admire you deeply. And yes, blessings to you and yours.

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freethinker asked on 02/28/05 - Selective Democracy ?


From a lot of christian circles you hear the demand for muslim organisations to become more democratic and open.
Good, I hear you think.
Indeed, good. Nothing wrong with democracy.

But what's good for the goose ....

Isn't it time that the Roman Catholic Church ALSO becomes more democratic and open?
Real participation of women in ALL church functions (and I mean ALL)?
Real equality of males and females (i.e. female priests, bishops, pope)?
Real participation of all churchmembers in the service proceedings (if and where they want)?
Perhaps real input by all churchmembers in matters of sexuality (VD's / prophilactics / sex and marriage).
Afteral, those who currently decide over the rules of the (sex) games do not even (should not even) participate in the sport ....

Or is that demand for muslim democratization perhaps a pure selective demand?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/28/05:

What does religion have to do with the democracy of a nation? As far as the RCC is concerned, those who wish to follow do, those who do not, do not. How do you percieve Arab Nations? If Christians want Muslim organizations to become more democratic, in which way? As Government, or as religion? I see no connection between the RCC and the democracy in Muslim organizations. You can ask that of anything, not only the religeous aspect. Just my opinion. :)

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arcura asked on 02/25/05 - What do you think are the 7 wonders of the world now?

THE SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD

A group of students were asked to list what they thought were the present

"Seven Wonders of the World." Though there were some disagreements,

the following received the most votes

1. Egypt's Great Pyramids

2. Taj Mahal

3. Grand Canyon

4. Panama Canal

5. Empire State Building

6. St. Peter's Basilica

7. China's Great Wall

While gathering the votes, the teacher noted that one student

had not finished her paper yet. So she asked the girl if

she was having trouble with her list.

The girl replied, "Yes, a little. I couldn't quite make up my mind

because there were so many."

The teacher said, "Well, tell us what you have, and

maybe we can help.

"The girl hesitated, then read, "I think the 'Seven Wonders of the World' are:

1. To See

2. To Hear

3. To Touch

4. To Taste

5. To Feel

6. To Laugh

7. And to Love."

The room was so quiet you could have heard a pin drop.

The things we overlook as simple and ordinary and that

we take for granted are truly wondrous!

A gentle reminder --

that the most precious things in life

cannot be built by hand or bought by man.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/25/05:

The seven wonders of the world to me are:

1. My faith

2. My wife

3. My children

4. My son-in-laws

5. My grandchildren

6. The fact that I still have my mind in tact at my age

7. The love from and of my friends and neighbors.

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VisionsInBlue asked on 02/23/05 - Christianity Board -- Best Of

Omigod, omigod... I must still be in Albuquerque, which is NOT in Kansas... I'd rub my eyes if only I wouldn't smudge my makeup and there isn't anyone around to pinch me. This board is FUNNY AS HELL!

Therefore I wish to start a Greatest Hits collection. Like this:

1. "What are unforeseen occurrences and how do you understand this scripture?"

2. "[Smallpox] is a Christian question."

3. Apparently there was a smallpox epidemic in NYC in 2002.

4. "Does God give Christians guidelines so as to protect themselves from such things as Aids? If so what are those guidelines."

5. "All I know is that anyone who can support a child melestor is not a Jehovah's Witness."

Please submit your nominations here. We'll vote later. I'll count the votes. According to math known only to me, of course.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/23/05:

Is this collection of Greatest Hits out on CD yet? If so, Sandra gave me my allowance today, so I have twenty bucks, would that cover it? :)

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hOPE12 asked on 02/23/05 - The Aids situation/

Hello everyone,

The Aids cases are at Record high, and yet no cure is in sight. Five million people were infected with the Aids virus in 2003, the highest level of infected persons since the epidemic began two decades ago. 20 million people have died from Aids since the first diagnosis of the disease in 1981. Many cases are young people aged 15 to 24.



1) Having these statistics, as a parent or if you were a parent what would you tell your child so as to protect them from this disease?

2) As a concerned adult what do you feel is the main cause of the spread of Aids?

3) Do you feel there will ever be a cure for this horrible disease?

4) Does God give Christians guidelines so as to protect themselves from such things as Aids? If so what are those guidelines.


Please be polite in you answers, if you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation the adult think to do is refrain from commenting.

Thank you and Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/23/05:

I think that the guidelines have been out there for quite some time. Use safe sex. However, it seems that some people think that it will not happen to them. There is so much information out there about safe sex, yet the numbers of this horrible disease are increasing. What can we do? We can not shun the people who have it, we can make donations to further research, and we can tell the people that we love to be careful and that we want them in our lives. Aids must have been around for centuries. How many people died of pneumonia, or other things that today we call AIDS. I do not think that it just happened one day, it has been and hopefully, somehow, maybe not in my life time, but in yours it will finally be curable.

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hOPE12 asked on 02/23/05 - Stress:

Hello again,

We all face many things each day that cause us stree and anxiety.

1- My question is what causes you stress and anxiety and and what do you do to relieve it?


Children experience stress in school, older people experience stress due to getting older. As one wise person once said: "When I was young, I could handle everything. Now that I am older, it is more difficult. The hectic life I have led has begun to take its toll on me."

How do you reduce the stress in your life and in your childrens life? What are some things that help you t relax?

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/23/05:

When I was young I had a hard time controlling my stress levels. Life was too intense. Now that I am 76, I find that what I would get anxious about what trivial. I have gotten to know myself, and that is the key for me. Whenever something happens, I can be calm and evaluate the situation. I try to teach my grandchildren that no matter what happened today, tomorrow it will just be a memory. I also meditate and once in a while talk to God my Creator. Just to say "Thank you for giving me the years to mature and understand the meaning of love, humility, compassion and the wonder of life."
A nice hot tub helps as well. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/22/05 - PolyGraph experiment!

Heard about an experiment done. The question that was asked is do you believe in God. Yes or No. The Athiests and the people who did not believe and answered no, the polygraph said they were lying. Does this mean that every single soul believes in God deep inside their spirit?

What do you think about this?

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/23/05:

Joe, where did you read this? Polygraph tests can be easily misguided, and I have heard that if a person's heart rate goes up, because of being nervous it automatically shows that you might be lying. All these tests are not always correct. I doubt that a true Atheist would lie as to whether he/she does not believe in God. I know that I did not at that time in my life. :)

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Geedubya84 asked on 02/22/05 - Taking study lessons

Our family is in study lessons with Witnesses. Is that good?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/22/05:

If that is what your family wishes, and what you want, what could be wrong with it? However, if during the study lessons you feel that it is not what you want then the choice is yours. We all have a free will and the privilage to choose. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 02/22/05 - Unforeseen Occurrences

Hello Everyone,
What are unforeseen occurrences and how do you understand this scripture?

Eccl. 9:Ecclesiastes 9:11

11-" I returned to see under the sun that the swift do not have the race, nor the mighty ones the battle, nor do the wise also have the food, nor do the understanding ones also have the riches, nor do even those having knowledge have the favor; because time and unforeseen occurrence befall them all."

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/22/05:

To me it means that no matter who we are, what we have or have not, there are occurrences that are unforeseen, and it is how we handle them that shows who we truly are. Life is never a straight path, there are curves and forks all the time, and it depends on which one we take, and how we handle the choices. Also, it tests our mettle and our faith. So, the rich can become the poor, the poor become the rich, the hungry can become fully fed, and the well fed can become hungry. We are all the same in the eyes of God our Creator. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 02/22/05 - Now here is a question that needs an answer!

Hello Everyone,

Mary Sue place a post on the board about a two headed babies. My question is does a live head make a person? If so, Why do yo say so, if not, why do you say so?

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/22/05:

I have not seen the article that Choux referred to, so I do not know the condition of the two headed baby? Why was the operation necessary? I believe that if it was a fully functional brain, with feelings and personality, then yes, it is a person. However, if it was not and endangered the baby's life, then the surgery had to be done in order to save the life of the baby. Just my opinion. This is a very sad story and must have been heart wrenching for both the parents and the doctors. I would like to know more details though. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 02/22/05 - Christian Faith

Hello Again,

We speak of Christian Faith and my question is that if one claims to have faith, how does your faith make you sure that God has individual compassion and affection for you personally? What make you feel God has love for who you are on the inside?

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/22/05:

Because God our Creator knows me better than anyone ever could. He knows exactly what I am on the inside. There is nothing hidden from Him.

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Saladin asked on 02/21/05 - Life and Faith ... ... ... ...


Do you know of any faith that makes no demands for its adherents to modify their lives?

"If thou know'st it, telling"

:)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/22/05:

No I do not. When one embraces a religion it is because one does want to modify something in his/her life.

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arcura asked on 02/21/05 - This - according to Donald Wildmon......

HBO's Bill Maher Says Christians Have Neurological Disorder, Are Crazy

Bill Maher, host of HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher, says that all Christians are crazy and are unenlightened because of their faith. Maher made the comments on MSNBC's Scarborough Country.

Maher said: "We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion…I think that religion stops people from thinking. I think it justifies crazies. I think that flying planes in a building was a faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder. If you look at it logically, it's something that was drilled into your head when you were a small child."

"When you look at belief in such things--as do you go to heaven, is there a devil--we have more in common with (Muslin countries) Turkey and Iran and Syria than we do with European nations and Canada and nations that, yes, I would consider more enlightened that us."

Maher said he wasn't speaking only of evangelicals, but included all religious people. He said he agreed with Jesse Ventura "who had that quote about religion is a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers."

Because of their neurological disorder, he said Christians "do not believe in science and rationality." He went on to say the future does not belong to religion. One recalls the famous quote from the Beatles in the 60's that they "were more popular than Jesus."

According to Maher, the Bible is a book of fairy tales, calling the account of Jonah a fairy tale the same as Jack in the Beanstalk.

What do you think of Mr. Politically Incorrect's claims?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

I see nothing wrong with Bill Maher. He did not pick out one religion, just religion as a whole. I find his show to be entertaining and amusing. We can hear different viewpoints and respect opinions that do not mimic what we believe or disbelieve. In this case, he was talking about extreme beliefs of some. I have enough faith in what I believe that it did not bother me in the least. It is only the person who is waivering that would be upset by what he said. Be in peace. :)

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Choux asked on 02/21/05 - Two Headed Baby

Today, in Egypt, surgeons removed a second head from a two-headed 9 month old girl. The second head did not have a body attached to it like conjoined twins. The second head smiled and blinked her eyes.

Of course, the head is dead. The baby is doing well and all her vital signs are normal.

Do you think that the surgeons did the ethical/moral thing??

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

My dear Choux, this is a tough call. What would happen to the child had both heads remained? Would one brain eventually stop working and therefore render the child physical harm? Was it done for esthetical reasons? If there was no hope for the second head to begin with then the surgeons did what they had to do. I cannot say whether it was moral or ethical, because we do not know the full medical history. What if by keeping the extra head it would eventually kill the whole child? I hope that, because of the success of the operation, the child lives a healthy and normal life. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/21/05 - Clarifications

Hello I would like to say that I may have jumped the gun on Saladin.

To Sal: Please when your making clarifications say who you are talking to. Less confusing, less misunderstandings.

To Jeremy: Thank you for pointing out what you saw. I read everything over again.

To Clete: I have had it with your garbage and as you can tell with my rating that I am not appreciating your ignorance.

I tried making clarifications to Sal, Jeremy and Clete but for some reason they were not going through. So I need to address things this way.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

Everyone makes a mistake. I am happy to see that you addressed it. :)

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ATON2 asked on 02/20/05 - Clalrification!

Can someone solve the mystery? According to my statistics, I have been blocked by 'darkstar', 'krewton' and 'powerpuff' whom we all know as the 'twins' Darlene and Sharlene and 'the guy who does multiple ratings'....Yet when I try to answer a post from CEEBEE..(NOT CeeBee2)...I am told that this expert has 'blocked' me. Does this indicate that the new CEEBEE is actually one of the ONLY three members who have blocked my responses, signing on with another moniker??????? And would this be considered an attempt to disparage CeeBee2 ???????

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

Aton, I do not see CeeBee as someone who would block you. Am I 100% sure, yes, because in my rating she said so. She is a intelligent woman and I do not see her having any reasons to block you. That is my opinion. I think that if she did, then she is someone who seems to be very upfront and would have no problem in letting you know. :)

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ATON2 asked on 02/20/05 - Clalrification!

Can someone solve the mystery? According to my statistics, I have been blocked by 'darkstar', 'krewton' and 'powerpuff' whom we all know as the 'twins' Darlene and Sharlene and 'the guy who does multiple ratings'....Yet when I try to answer a post from CEEBEE..(NOT CeeBee2)...I am told that this expert has 'blocked' me. Does this indicate that the new CEEBEE is actually one of the ONLY three members who have blocked my responses, signing on with another moniker??????? And would this be considered an attempt to disparage CeeBee2 ???????

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

Why not just ask CeeBee? I do not think that she would block you. Perhaps there is a glitch in her PC and we are all blocked? :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/20/05 - Jesus! History!

There are some authors who claim that churches are hiding the real truth about Jesus and his life. They also claim that Jesus fathered a baby with claim that Jesus had a child with Mary Magdalene and the Holy Grail is their bloodline. What do you think about this? Would this change the way people feel about Jesus, or does it matter whether he fathered a child or not to a known prostitute?

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

Again Joe, this is something that can only be speculated upon but never known. I could care less if he was married, had a child or children or whether Mary Magdalene, was a prostitute. :)

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Saladin asked on 02/20/05 - Was Jesus married? ... ... ... ... ... ...


Some years ago, an article appeared in a magazine edited by apostate Momrons that pressed for acceptance of the idea that Jesus was married.

I knew the editor and publisher, and asked to be permitted to write in response to his article.

He assented and the following is the result.
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The following treatise was written in response to last month’s, "A Married Messiah?", by the Director of the British Institute of Mormon Studies (Ronnie Bray), and takes a quite different view of the same subject:


WAS JESUS MARRIED?

A Consideration of the Evidence
By Ronnie Bray


Was Jesus married? An interesting question that has never been raised in the arena of scholarly Christology. Nevertheless, it raises interest by the very act of asking the question.

There are three main schools of thought about the question:

First, those who believe that he was not and could not have been. These are in the main from the mainstream of Christian scholarship. For them, the question is absurd. The absurdity may be seen as arising from the perspective that celibacy is the superior way of life, required by the Roman Church for several centuries.

And while the Protestant churches have cast off many of the trappings of Catholicism in their brief history, they have never entirely divested themselves of Catholic attitudes to sexuality, especially sexuality and spirituality and the bearing each has upon the other.

The second group are those who do not know whether he was or not. They are, probably quite rightly, confused by the issues, and who can fail to be confused? The issues are far from clear.

The final group is that which is in no doubt that Jesus was married. This is an interesting group because of its composition. It is not found in the mainstream of Christianity.

In fact, many from this group do not belong to Christianity at all, but are what may be described as side-line snipers; critics of Christianity (and most other religions), whose main purpose is to discomfort Christians by expressing volubly the unacceptable idea that Jesus was married and thereby enjoyed normal intimate relations with a woman.

Some Jewish scholars present this perspective simply from the point of view that Jesus was a Jewish man although admittedly an extraordinary one.

To this group also belong some early Latter-day Saint theologians and, it should be said, some later ones.

Their purpose is dictated by the need to demonstrate that Jesus must have been married. This theological necessity is determined by the Latter-day Saint understanding of exaltation and Godhood.

These three schools of thought are engaged in some sort of a debate without communicating with one another. Their positions are firmly entrenched and they do not yield. But, what evidence is there for these discrete positions?

Tatian, a Gnostic, and Basilides, an Alexandrian theologian with Gnostic tendencies, are said by some (Joyce, Donovan "The Jesus Scroll," Sphere Books Ltd. London, 1973, p. 86) to have been the founders of the idea that Jesus was not married.

What is the evidence for Jesus having been married or not married? Is there any evidence?

It has to be admitted that the most often proposed argument in favour his having married is based on arguments from silence. For obvious reasons, these are never satisfactory; one has to jump to too many conclusions to accept them with any degree of enthusiasm.

Jesus the Jew

Whilst the Judaic traditions required a father to ensure that his sons were circumcised, redeemed, acquired an education, a trade, and a wife, it is by no means certain that all Jewish boys were the beneficiaries of all these.

Indeed, some might have none at all. Not all the b’nei yisrael were deeply religious at the Meridian of Time, any more than the adherents or followers of any religion are.

Sanders holds that Paul was probably a zealot who had no time for marriage.( Sanders, EP, "Paul," OUP, 1981, Oxford)

It could be argued that Jesus, like Paul had a specific and individual mission to perform, and that his mission precluded his marrying during mortality.

That is, of course, speculative and speculation is the enemy of scholarship and often leads us far from truth. …

Recognising that it was not unusual for Jewish boys to have their education and religious and social duties overlooked by parents, together with the recognition that Jesus was by no means ordinary and that his unusual destiny was known to at least one of his parents, and probably to both according to the scriptural records, there is little room to feel sure that his life would follow the normative course for other boys of his generation.

The Torah laid duties upon fathers to perform certain things for their sons. About Jesus, we can only be sure about his circumcision, although his religious education does not appear to have been neglected, as the interesting vignette of the twelve-year old shows.

If Jesus was married, why is there no reference to his wife or children? References to his family are limited to his mother and his brothers and sisters, although these have been carefully interpreted by Roman Catholics to be children of the reticent Joseph by a previous marriage. This is a legal fiction.

Theological necessity produces many such fictions on the grounds that "It has to be because it must be!"

Similarly, if we have to have Jesus married we will read the evidence, such as it is, to reach that conclusion. This can not be done except at the cost of truth, so we need to be circumspect and honest.

Orson Hyde taught that Jesus was married, and names Mary and Martha as having been his wives.("Journal of Discourses," volume 2, 10 June 1854)

The reasoning behind his opinions is the same as those sideline snipers,(Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," Dell Books) who aim to embarrass Christians.

What is the weight of his evidence? Are the snipers using sound judgement or creating a monster out of smoke?

Both groups claim that the wedding feat at Cana was one of Jesus’ marriages. As to his others they are all strangely silent.

Their reasons for Jesus being the bridegroom at Cana are slight and unsure. They point out that Jesus was summoned to the wedding, as a bridegroom would have been. However, wedding guests were also summoned or invited to the feast, as detailed in the parable of the wedding guests. This construction is less than convincing.

To support their viewpoint it is pointed out that Jesus’ mother asked him to supply the wine. Since the bridegroom had the responsibility to supply the wine, it is argued that the groom must indeed have been Jesus.

However, Mary approached her son in extremis, after the initial supply of wine) supplied by the real bridegroom) had dried up. Although not expressed in the narrative of the Fourth Gospel, she was clearly asking him to use his supranatural power to provide further wine. He understood the request not as a bridegroom who had failed to asses the number of guests expected at his wedding – an unlikely event – but as one who had been called upon to perform, not a mere miracle, but a sign of his divinity.

The synopticists are significantly silent about this event. If it had been the marriage of Jesus is it likely that it would have failed to have been mentioned, at least By Matthew who is at pains to demonstrate the Jewishness of Jesus as the promised mashiach? …

Some scholars confine Jesus to marrying that Mary, who is identified by the Roman Church as being the penitent woman, Mary of Bethany and the Magdalene rolled into one.

There is no textual or historical reason to confuse the women except, perhaps, to manufacture a type of woman who, whilst inferior to Mary the Virgin mother of Christ, is identifiable with all sinful women – and apart from the "Blessed Virgin Mary" - there are only sinful women.

There are no reasons apart from doctrinal necessity that indicates anything other than that Mary of Bethany and Mary Magdalene were other than upright and righteous women.

Neither is there anything to suggest that Mary of Bethany was the husband of Jesus.

It is not insignificant that the appeal is again to the Fourth Gospel, the only place where the raising of Lazarus is recorded.

Much is made of the fact that Mary remained in the house until she was ‘called’ by Jesus through the voice of Martha. We do not know enough of the circumstances to determine why Mary remained in the house.

It is true that a wife would not run out of the house to greet her husband until he bade her do so. However, it is equally certain that unless Mary was aware that Jesus was outside she would remain where she was unless she had good reason to do otherwise.

Again, we must remember that we are not reading biography, although much of the content of the Fourth Gospel is historically accurate. Other parts may not be so accurate as to be taken as verbatim accounts of events. … Who stayed where is of little importance and is unreliable in forming an opinion as to the marital state of either Jesus or Mary.

Did she call him Lord? If she did, the word has a wide semantic range. In Aramaic, the language of Jesus and Mary, it is 'baal,' meaning, lord, master, or husband, or anything in between.

The relationship between Jesus and the little family at Bethany was obviously such that they knew his mission and destiny. Calling him master was not unusual or inappropriate, even for those to whom he was not married. Men also called him master.



Phipps argument from silence is flimsy and easy to controvert. He writes as one who believes the Gospels to be biographical which they patently are not.

Each of the Gospels was written for a particular purpose, the material in them being manipulated towards specific ends. This does not detract from their value; rather it ensures that readers understand the points of view of the believing community.

The title, rabbi, meant teacher. In the time of Jesus’ mortal ministry Judaism was not yet formed (proto-judaism was begun to be forged during the Bab. exile, but had not flowered into whatit would become). … The great age of rabbinism had neither yet dawned. …

Reading back present forms into ancient ones is likely to lead us further from the truth rather than toward it.

Appeal to the authority of Celsus is self-defeating. This pagan philosopher mounted a bitter attack on Christianity and would be likely to say anything that put Jesus in a bad light, such as the kissing of a woman on the lips, whether married to her or not. His "True Discourse" (c. 178) is the earliest known literary swipe at Christianity that we know only through fragments and through references to it in Origen’s response.

To Celsus, the doctrines of Incarnation and Crucifixion were repugnant. He was the first anti-Mormon author!

The Gospel of Phillip is part of that literature – of which there is a mountain – known as the pseudepigrapha, meaning writings claiming to have been written by famous people, but which are known to be spurious.

It is unreliable in the extreme as anyone familiar with it has discovered. Its main use is to show what later Christians, and sometimes non-Christians or heretics, thought the Church ought to teach.

Writings in the name of some famous figure from the past were more likely to be accepted as authoritative by believers. … You need to be circumspect when appealing to them for they are not trustworthy. Likewise when relying on tombstone inscription to determine who was buried in them or what the inscriptions really mean.

Martha and Jesus were common enough names and we need not imagine that because the location seems right, that these inscription refer to characters from the pages of scripture. …

Dr Udleys assertion that Simeon ben Jesus was Bishop of Jerusalem until his death in AD 106 beggars belief. One would expect that a Master of Theology would be aware that Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 by the Roman Army under General Sylvius, and that the Jews in Jerusalem were either slaughtered or taken into slavery, the city ploughed up, and that was the end of the Jerusalem branch of the Church of Christ.

It disappeared from the stage of history. … One tends to suspect the Doctor’s academic credentials!

Well, that’s a pretty good hatchet job on your essay!

It still does not address the question. Of whether Jesus was married.

The answer to that question is, "I don’t know!"

I do know that we should be [because] Section 131 makes that abundantly clear, and we have no excuse for non-compliance once we are aware of the doctrine.

I know that Jesus will have to become married if he is not already. Could he have been married before he came to earth through the Incarnation? "And the Word was God."

The scriptures are silent, and the inferences we may draw may give us comfort, but may not be reliable. The indices of his marital status are too slight to be safe.

The argument from silence is never satisfactory [because] silence can be understood in so many ways.

I hope that you find my response of interest and that it will spur you to a more profound study of a fascinating subject.

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The following month the editor wrote a 'refutation' of my essay(above), and so the debate pootles on.

The above is not a complete survey - I was limited by wordage requirements, and it appears from the [...s] liberally scattered throughout that he removed some sections from my arguments.

However, this will engage any who feel stringly enough to write informed responses.

Please, no emotional outbursts without substance that mar the board and thwart its purposes.

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

There had been much written on the subject, especially lately, but would it not be fascinating to have lived during that time and really knowing the truth about Jesus? I have no answer to your question Ronnie, because I do not think that we will ever truly know. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/21/05 - FASCINATING:



Saladin was Cherab at one time. Remember him? He got the boot twice. He's had me blocked ever since. There's his motive for stalking me these past months. Same old Cherab ... not to be confused with Cherub!

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

I do not think that Saladin is doing anything that is meant to hurt you Hank. I do not know of his other name, nor what he did prior to my coming here, but I see Ronnie as being a very decent, intelligent man who contributes much to this board. Perhaps you can see him the way I see him and forget whatever happened in the past. We should all respect one another, and I am sure that you and Ronnie, when it comes right down to it, do care for one another. I have seen a very sensitive side to Ronnie as I see it in you. So, chaps, shake hands and let bygones be bygones. Be in peace. :)

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darkstar asked on 02/21/05 - service announcement

the following is a long recent continued attack from aton to darkstar accusing her of all kinds of untruths...and even out and out lies. aton goes on to accuse darkstar of being on question and answer sites for over 3 years which is a lie...i only joined here at aw last december for the very first time and this was the very first q &a site i have EVER been a member of until recently i joined wondor or whatever it is called, don't really know because i don't ever go there. (this isn't like the feud cbee and bradd had recently with qow2 which by ceebee's own admition was ABOUT something that happened a year ago)These attacks are now an everyday occurence.

MY question is why would anyone that goes around CLAIMING to be an expert spout so many lies and untruths as if they were indeed fact?
the following is just a very small part of what i am talking about begininning with a note to leon from aton:

Leon:
I read in the news, yesterday, that a guy with one leg prayed for a miracle and..Lo and behold, he grew another leg!!!!! Now he has TWO left legs!!!! Funniest damn thing I ever saw.
The real miracle will be when some doctor comes up with the operation that will separate the Leon/Darlene/Sharlene "trinity" that has been joind at the brain for three years!!!!
Funny how all your postings seem to run in tandem. Are the computers only available at a certain time....Do you have to take turns????????


Clalrification! ATON2 02/20/05
Can someone solve the mystery? According to my statistics, I have been blocked by 'darkstar', 'krewton' and 'powerpuff' whom we all know as the 'twins' Darlene and Sharlene and 'the guy who does multiple ratings'....Yet when I try to answer a post from CEEBEE..(NOT CeeBee2)...I am told that this expert has 'blocked' me. Does this indicate that the new CEEBEE is actually one of the ONLY three members who have blocked my responses, signing on with another moniker??????? And would this be considered an attempt to disparage CeeBee2 ???????


Clarification/Follow-up by ATON2 on 02/20/05 4:23 pm:
Gee, Hank:
I wonder why darkstar is trying so hard to exonerate herself?????? Ya think maybe she is protesting too much :) :) :) You have to watch that lynch mob, Hank..you can see how quickly they turn on you....Sort of like experienced rattlesnakes, who make two strikes before you even feel the first. Put all 5 of them together, and they don't add up to ONE good expert!!! Poor things. Hope they are better at golf, and counting raccoons :) :) :)

"ATON2 Hank:
Be careful: darkstar has her fangs out!!!!" ---->listen up, i am proud of my fangs, i spent alot of money on them and had then proffessionally made :)

Proof that aton knows he is abusing the system "ATON2 No. You have to go through clarifications. It offers a great opportunity for the blocker to snipe without much danger of being shot out of the water...unless you go to the public board and repost the question from which you are blocked, plus your answer. It is a flawed system... "

ATON2 02/20/05
Hank:
Don't know wheter you meant this seriously, or not, but you sure got the viper's nest all stirred up. Darkstar contradicts you, and LO AND BEHOLD she gets THREE 5-star ratings from her darling twin sister, two of which spew venom at you... one great big "SISSY" and a 5 star rating from Leon, a man she claims to have experienced.

And powderpuff uses another expert's response to aim still another shot at you.

That makes 4 shots of venom aimed at you by powderpuff..on just ONE of your postings.

Do you have to wonder why none of these 'genuises' are listed as Christian experts :) :) :)


Clarification/Follow-up by ATON2 on 02/20/05 11:25 am:
Sharlene/Darlene:
After ploughing thru your self-serving gobble-de-gook, I have one question...What the hell does the silliness on the FOURUM, a year ago, when it was being used as a dating opportunity, have to do with you and your vigilantes attacking BRADD for something that, even his supposed victim denied he ever did?????? You can type until your fingers fall off, and you will never be able to justify your attack, or absolve yourself from the guilt of attacking an expert who makes you two look like semi-literates, and involving a woman who is more of a Christian than either of you could ever be!!!

As to your 'back-stage' alliances, you REALLY don't want me to open up THAT can of worms, do you??????? ROTFLMAO For your own sakes, better not remind people of what was going on....on the FORUM.

so what do ya think? i can prove when i joined aw for the first time. aton cannot prove i was ever a member here before that or anyother place because i simply was not. why does he spread lies and hate all the time. i don't care if i get suspended over this. he has clearly and knowingly abused the rules here at aw over and over again. i can't say one word about anything here without him grouping me into his imaginary lynch mob. and HE expects people to take him seriously?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

All of this really saddens me. I enjoy all of you and to see one person hurting another one, and that person feeling it, is wrong. I think that you should just ignore whatever it is that you are being attacked for, as the person who is attacking you should also back off. It is not showing respect or compassion. I enjoy your answers, as I do of LTgolf and Powderpuff. I also think that Aton is a very knowledgeable person who expresses his passion with what is his style. But from what I have seen I do know that in the end, all of you are good people, who keep this board alive and I hold all of you in high regard. Be in peace. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/20/05 - RACING WITH THE MOON:

The statement, which appeared in a two-page article by Oliver B. Huntington entitled "The Inhabitants of the Moon" in the Young Woman's Journal, is as follows:

"As far back as 1837, I know that he (Joseph Smith) said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we d~that they live generally to near the age of a 1,000 years. He described the men as averaging nearly six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style."

Source: "Young Woman's Journal," Vol.3, p.263).

What a guy! Are there people on the moon?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/21/05:

Hank lad, look at the year 1837, and I am sure that people thought that there were people living on the moon of a greater intelligence than we were. I know that even during my time, many believed that. Joseph Smith prophesied many things and at the time, a lot of people believed as some still might. In 1969, we all found out what Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin E. Aldrin Jr.did. But if it would not have been for people like Joseph Smith we might have never known that the moon was not inhabited by any living form yet. So, can we really say that what he foresaw did not happen or will not? The space program did put men on the moon, and I am sure that one day there will be men and women as well. We very well might reach a point where people will live there for a 1000 years. So, we cannot discount Mr. Smith completely, since we have not reached that an advanced stage yet, can we? Be in peace. :)

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Choux asked on 02/17/05 - Mormonism and Salvation

Can a Mormon switch to another Christian denomination and still have salvation?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/17/05:

A Christian is a Christian. As long as he/she believes in Jesus Christ what difference does it really make? I am sure that if a Baptist, Catholic, Mormon, Protestant, etc. wants to change his/her denomination, God will not punish them. We are all God's children and salvation does not only depend on what denomination you belong to, nor what religion you believe in or do not believe in. I am surprised at some of the answers that I have read here. How can anyone claim to be a Christian and condemn a denomination that is not yours? This truly saddens me and puzzles me. Be in peace. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 02/16/05 - Sorry!

Can someone tell me why when I post a quesiton it goes on the board twice or more then twice?

Thanks, Hope12

Sorry Everyone, I don't know how this happens but if you do I will try to correct it. :0(

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/16/05:

Hi Hope, I have that problem at times. I notice that it gives me "Cannot find Website" and then I try again. Now, I am learning to get out, see if it shows, if not, then I will attempt it once again. I do not know if that is your case, but that might be one of the problems. Just hit it once, see if it posted, if not, do it again. :)

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arcura asked on 02/15/05 - Sharing is the Christian thing to do ............

I went to the drug story today for some meds. The druggist had this article on the healthiness of cinnamon. It's great - so thot I should share it.

Cinnamon - A very good Health Food
Although available throughout the year, the fragrant, sweet and warm taste of cinnamon is a perfect spice to use during the winter months.
Cinnamon has a long history both as a spice and as a medicine. It is the brown bark of the cinnamon tree, which is available in its dried tubular form known as a quill or as ground powder. The two varieties of cinnamon, Chinese and Ceylon, have similar flavor, however the cinnamon from Ceylon is slightly sweeter, more refined and more difficult to find in local markets.
Health Benefits
Cinnamon’s unique healing abilities come from three basic types of components in the essential oils found in its bark. These oils contain active components called cinnamaldehyde, cinnamyl acetate, and cinnamyl alcohol, plus a wide range of other volatile substances.
Anti-Clotting Actions
Cinnamaldehyde (also called cinnamic aldehyde) has been well-researched for its effects on blood platelets. Platelets are constituents of blood that are meant to clump together under emergency circumstances (like physical injury) as a way to stop bleeding, but under normal circumstances, they can make blood flow inadequate if they clump together too much. The cinnaldehyde in cinnamon helps prevent unwanted clumping of blood platelets. (The way it accomplishes this health-protective act is by inhibiting the release of an inflammatory fatty acid called arachidonic acid from platelet membranes and reducing the formation of an inflammatory messaging molecule called thromboxane A2.) Cinnamon's ability to lower the release of arachidonic acid from cell membranes also puts it in the category of an “anti-inflammatory” food that can be helpful in lessening inflammation.
Anti-Microbial Activity
Cinnamon’s essential oils also qualify it as an “anti-microbial” food, and cinnamon has been studied for its ability to help stop the growth of bacteria as well as fungi, including the commonly problematic yeast Candida. In laboratory tests, growth of yeasts that were resistant to the commonly used anti-fungal medication fluconazole was often (though not always) stopped by cinnamon extracts.

Cinnamon’s antimicrobial properties are so effective that recent research demonstrates this spice can be used as an alternative to traditional food preservatives. In a study, published in the August 2003 issue of the International Journal of Food Microbiology, the addition of just a few drops of cinnamon essential oil to 100 ml (approximately 3 ounces) of carrot broth, which was then refrigerated, inhibited the growth of the foodborne pathogenic Bacillus cereus for at least 60 days. When the broth was refrigerated without the addition of cinnamon oil, the pathogenic B. cereus flourished despite the cold temperature. In addition, researchers noted that the addition of cinnamon not only acted as an effective preservative but improved the flavor of the broth.(October 1, 2003)
Blood Sugar Control
Cinnamon may significantly help people with non-insulin dependent (Type 2) diabetes improve their ability to respond to insulin, thus normalizing their blood sugar levels. Both test tube and animal studies have shown that compounds in cinnamon not only stimulate insulin receptors, but also inhibit an enzyme that inactivates them, thus significantly increasing cells’ ability to use glucose. Studies to confirm cinnamon’s beneficial actions in humans are currently underway with the most recent report coming from researchers from the US Agricultural Research Service, who have shown that less than half a teaspoon per day of cinnamon reduces blood sugar levels in persons with NIDDM. Their study included 60 Pakistani volunteers with NIDDM who were not taking insulin. Subjects were divided into six groups. For 40 days, groups 1, 2 and 3 were given 1, 3, or 6 grams per day of cinnamon while groups 4, 5 and 6 received placebo capsules. Even the lowest amount of cinnamon, 1 gram per day (approximately ¼ to ½ teaspoon), produced an approximately 20% drop in blood sugar; cholesterol and triglycerides were lowered as well. When daily cinnamon was stopped, blood sugar levels began to increase. (December 30, 2003)
Test tube, animal and human studies have all recently investigated cinnamon’s ability to improve insulin activity, and thus our cells’ ability to absorb and use glucose from the blood.
On going in vitro or test tube research conducted by Richard Anderson and his colleagues at the USDA Human Nutrition Research Center is providing new understanding of the mechanisms through which cinnamon enhances insulin activity. In their latest paper, published in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, Anderson et al. characterize the insulin-enhancing complexes in cinnamon—a collection of catechin/epicatechin oligomers that increase the body’s insulin-dependent ability to use glucose roughly 20-fold.. Some scientists had been concerned about potentially toxic effects of regularly consuming cinnamon. This new research shows that the potentially toxic compounds in cinnamon bark are found primarily in the lipid (fat) soluble fractions and are present only at very low levels in water soluble cinnamon extracts, which are the ones with the insulin-enhancing compounds.
A recent animal study demonstrating cinnamon’s beneficial effects on insulin activity appeared in the December 2003 issue of Diabetes Research and Clinical Practice. In this study, when rats were given a daily dose of cinnamon (300 mg per kilogram of body weight) for a 3 week period, their skeletal muscle was able to absorb 17% more blood sugar per minute compared to that of control rats, which had not received cinnamon, an increase researchers attributed to cinnamon’s enhancement of the muscle cells’ insulin-signaling pathway. In humans with type 2 diabetes, consuming as little as 1 gram of cinnamon per day was found to reduce blood sugar, triglycerides, LDL (bad) cholesterol, and total cholesterol, in a study published in the December 2003 issue of Diabetes Care. The placebo-controlled study evaluated 60 people with type 2 diabetes (30 men and 30 women ranging in age from 44 to 58 years) who were divided into 6 groups. Groups 1, 2, and 3 were given 1, 3, or 6 grams of cinnamon daily, while groups 4, 5, and 6 received 1, 3 or 6 grams of placebo. After 40 days, all three levels of cinnamon reduced blood sugar levels by 18-29%, triglycerides 23-30%, LDL cholesterol 7-27%, and total cholesterol 12-26%, while no significant changes were seen in those groups receiving placebo. The researchers’ conclusion: including cinnamon in the diet of people with type 2 diabetes will reduce risk factors associated with diabetes and cardiovascular diseases.(January 28, 2004)



The latest research on cinnamon shows that by enhancing insulin signaling, cinnamon can prevent insulin resistance even in animals fed a high-fructose diet! A study published in the February 2004 issue of Hormone Metabolism Research showed that when rats fed a high-fructose diet were also given cinnamon extract, their ability to respond to and utilize glucose (blood sugar) was improved so much that it was the same as that of rats on a normal (control) diet. Cinnamon is so powerful an antioxidant that, when compared to six other antioxidant spices (anise, ginger, licorice, mint, nutmeg and vanilla) and the chemical food preservatives (BHA (butylated hydroxyanisole), BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene), and propyl gallate), cinnamon prevented oxidation more effectively than all the other spices (except mint) and the chemical antioxidants. (May 6, 2004)



Cinnamon's Scent Boosts Brain Function
Not only does consuming cinnamon improve the body’s ability to utilize blood sugar, but just smelling the wonderful odor of this sweet spice boosts brain activity!
Research led by Dr. P. Zoladz and presented April 24, 2004, at the annual meeting of the Association for Chemoreception Sciences, in Sarasota, FL, found that chewing cinnamon flavored gum or just smelling cinnamon enhanced study participants’ cognitive processing. Specifically, cinnamon improved participants’ scores on tasks related to attentional processes, virtual recognition memory, working memory, and visual-motor speed while working on a computer-based program. Participants were exposed to four odorant conditions: no odor, peppermint odor, jasmine, and cinnamon, with cinnamon emerging the clear winner in producing positive effects on brain function. Encouraged by the results of these studies, researchers will be evaluating cinnamon’s potential for enhancing cognition in the elderly, individuals with test-anxiety, and possibly even patients with diseases that lead to cognitive decline. (May 9, 2004)
Calcium and Fiber Improve Colon Health and Protect Against Heart Disease
In addition to its unique essential oils, cinnamon is an excellent source of the trace mineral manganese and a very good source of dietary fiber, iron and calcium. The combination of calcium and fiber in cinnamon is important and can be helpful for the prevention of several different conditions. Both calcium and fiber can bind to bile salts and help remove them from the body. By removing bile, fiber helps to prevent the damage that certain bile salts can cause to colon cells, thereby reducing the risk of colon cancer. In addition, when bile is removed by fiber, the body must break down cholesterol in order to make new bile. This process can help to lower high cholesterol levels, which can be helpful in preventing atherosclerosis and heart disease. For sufferers of irritable bowel syndrome, the fiber in cinnamon may also provide relief from constipation or diarrhea.
A Traditional Warming Remedy
In addition to the active components in its essential oils and its nutrient composition, cinnamon has also been valued in energy-based medical systems, such as Traditional Chinese Medicine, for its warming qualities. In these traditions, cinnamon has been used to provide relief when faced with the onset of a cold or flu, especially when mixed in a tea with some fresh ginger.
Description
Cinnamon is the brown bark of the cinnamon tree, which when dried, rolls into a tubular form known as a quill. Cinnamon is available in either its whole quill form (cinnamon sticks) or as ground powder.
While there are approximately one hundred varieties of Cinnamonum verum (the scientific name for cinnamon), Cinnamonum zeylanicum (Ceylon cinnamon) and Cinnamomun aromaticum (Chinese cinnamon) are the leading varieties consumed. Ceylon cinnamon is also referred to as “true cinnamon”, while the Chinese variety is known as “cassia”. While both are relatively similar in characteristics and both feature a fragrant, sweet and warm taste, the flavor of the Ceylon variety is more refined and subtle. Ceylon cinnamon is more rare in North America than the cassia, the less expensive variety, which is the most popular in the United States.
History
Cinnamon is one of the oldest spices known. It was mentioned in the Bible and was used in ancient Egypt not only as a beverage flavoring and medicine, but also as an embalming agent. It was so highly treasured that it was considered more precious than gold. Around this time, cinnamon also received much attention in China, which is reflected in its mention in one of the earliest books on Chinese botanical medicine, dated around 2,700 B.C.
Cinnamon’s popularity continued throughout history. It became one of the most relied upon spices in Medieval Europe. Due to its demand, cinnamon became one of the first commodities traded regularly between the Near East and Europe. Ceylon cinnamon is produced in Sri Lanka, India, Madagascar, Brazil and the Caribbean, while cassia is mainly produced in China, Vietnam and Indonesia.
How to Select and Store
Cinnamon is available in either stick or powder form. While the sticks can be stored for longer, the ground powder has a stronger flavor. If possible, smell the cinnamon to make sure that it has a sweet smell, a characteristic reflecting that it is fresh.
Oftentimes, both Ceylon cinnamon and Chinese cinnamon (cassia) are labeled as cinnamon. If you want to find the sweeter, more refined tasting Ceylon variety, you may need to shop in either a local spice store or ethnic market since this variety is generally less available. Just like with other dried spices, try to select organically grown cinnamon since this will give you more assurance that it has not been irradiated (among other potential adverse effects, irradiating cinnamon may lead to a significant decrease in its vitamin C and carotenoid content.)
Cinnamon should be kept in a tightly sealed glass container in a cool, dark and dry place. Ground cinnamon will keep for about six months, while cinnamon sticks will stay fresh for about one year stored this way. Alternatively, you can extend their shelf life by storing them in the refrigerator. To check to see if it is still fresh, smell the cinnamon. If it does not smell sweet, it is no longer fresh and should be discarded.
How to Enjoy
For some of our favorite recipes, click Recipes.
A Few Quick Serving Ideas:
Enjoy one of the favorite kids’ classics – cinnamon toast - with a healthy twist. Drizzle flax seed oil onto whole wheat toast and then sprinkle with cinnamon and honey.
Simmer cinnamon sticks with soymilk and honey for a deliciously warming beverage.
Adding ground cinnamon to black beans to be used in burritos or nachos will give them a uniquely delicious taste.
Healthy sauté lamb with eggplant, raisins and cinnamon sticks to create a Middle Eastern inspired meal.
Add ground cinnamon when preparing curries.
Safety
Cinnamon is not a commonly allergenic food, is not included in the list of 20 foods that most frequently contain pesticide residues, and is also not known to contain goitrogens, oxalates, or purines.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/15/05:

Thank you, this was very informative. Now I know why my wife has cinnamon plug-in aromas all over the house. Actually she prepares many dishes using a dash of cinnamon. Hey, now that I know what it does, maybe that explains why I feel great at my antiqueish age. I know that she makes mint tea when anyone has an upset stomach, but do not ask me what it has that soothes a bellyache. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/15/05 - EXPERIMENT OVER!



Only one mistake since early Saturday a.m. I posted an answer on the Christianity Board and gave the source but ... I forgot to use quotation marks. (Pete was kind enough to point this out) In my personal life, I lived by the Book and helped four people.

What about you? A "Yes" or No" will suffice. If you wish to go into deatil, please do!

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/15/05:

Sandy did not yell at me in the past four days, so I guess that I did not do anything wrong. However, this day is not yet over. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/15/05 - Learning!

This is what I am learning. I have had run ins with certain experts in the past, we all have. When I brought it up what I thought I was told that I was wrong and should not mention anybody by name. So I now know what is the best thing to do. If there is an issue with anybody you try to deal with it one on one privatly first. Try to work it out instead of bringing other people into it. If eventually it does not work then bring it out in the open with others who know about the situation and clear it up and move on. Just to let everybody know that I think everybody on this board is important and everybody should be welcomed no matter their beliefs or opinions. Just because I may not agree with somebody or stand up for myself does not mean I am aligning with any group. We are all a family here. Like all families sometimes we do have our problems. We work them out and move on. We are are learning from each other and we all created by the same creator. We are all family. God bless everybody. I will agree and disagree at certain times depending on what happens or what is said. I will not hide. I will learn better to discern what to answer, what not to answer. Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/15/05:

Do not let Aton fool you. He does have all the answers and it is not due to age! Joe, we all have to disagree at times, agree at times. We are individuals, we were raised by different parents, had different experiences and were given a brain to think with and make our own conclusions. If we would agree with everyone, why even bother to post or answer questions? That is the beauty of life, we learn from others, others, hopefully, learn something from us. Everyone has the right to be wrong! Just be true to yourself. :)

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arcura asked on 02/14/05 - What do you think? Would this work where you are?...

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - As Valentine's Day stoked the embers of romance worldwide, a group of Singaporeans began a campaign urging couples to curb their ardor and abstain from sex.
A Christian group launched Monday a week-long Abstinence Awareness Campaign on the island, which has one of Asia's lowest birth rates and has ranked for three straight years near the bottom of condom-maker Durex's survey of sexually active nations.
Nearly 200 volunteers from the Christian "Focus on The Family" group fanned out across the city-state, selling wristbands bearing the message "Worth Waiting For" and collecting pledges from teenagers to stay chaste until marriage.
"We hope that the street sales will raise awareness about abstaining from sexual acts and tell young people that they have what it takes to save themselves until they are married," said one organizer Joanna Koh-Hoe.
"We want to let them know that it is cool to save themselves for marriage," she said.
The campaign follows a rise in teenage abortions and an increase in HIV-AIDS infections among youths.
But some youth doubted the tactic will work even in a society as strait-laced as Singapore, whose government maintains strict censorship controls, including bans on magazines such as "Playboy" and where oral sex between men is a crime.
"I really doubt the effectiveness of this campaign," said 25-year-old Phillip Ng. "To have premarital sex or not is a lifestyle decision and wearing a band on your wrist for a day is not going to lead to a change in your mindset."
About 6,000 chastity bands have been sold at S$2 ($1.22) each and the proceeds will help fund the group's activities, such as a "No Apologies" workshop -- a four-hour course which urges youths between the ages of 13-20 to remain virgins.
Organizers said over 15,000 teenagers have attended the workshop and nearly 80 percent have signed a pledge not to have premarital sex.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/14/05:

In my area it would never work. I see things in the street that make me wonder what happens behind closed doors. I am not speaking of adults. I see youngsters in their very early teens doing things that in my day, you would be arrested for. I cannot comment on premarital sex because that is between two consenting adults, but when you see a thirteen year old girl with a boy of the same age or maybe younger...well it shows you that somewhere parents have failed as well as our society. :(

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Saladin asked on 02/13/05 - For Saint Valentines Day - A Story written yesterday.

Angel in the Shadows
By Ronnie Bray
(AKA Saladin)



We went to a concert at the Orpheum Theatre in beautiful downtown Phoenix this morning (Friday 12 Feb, 2005), Gay, Gay's daughter Laura, and me. Braving the deluge that turned the Superstition Freeway and its feeders into rivers of water, romanticised by head high spray as cars and wagons found it hard to slow down from their customary five miles an hour over the sixty-five mile an hour speed limit.

The usual boastful greeting to out-of-state visitors to Arizona’s desert southland is, "It’s a dry heat!" However, today the line was an apologetic, "But it’s a warm rain! And, a warm rain it was. Thankfully, we didn’t have to walk but a few steps from the shuttle bus from the multi-storey car park before we were under the canopy of the Orpheum Theatre, from where it was a short walk down the red plush carpet to the door into the stalls where our red plush armchairs waited.

Although the Spanish baroque façade looks a little incongruous amid the glass and steel giants of the city’s buzzing commercial area, the inside defies description by a single term.

The proscenium arch is Norman in shape, flattened at the top which is formed by seven pargetted rolls of beribboned rope, receding from top to bottom, pargetted with skill, gilded to excess, and impossible to disregard. The seats are wide, plush, comfortable, and well worth the thirty dollars it costs for an hour’s entertainment on a wet Friday morning.

The side walls are encrusted with more gold covered pargetting in a curious conglomeration of imagination and, possibly, madness. In fact, the Orpheum boasts more gilt than a psychoneurosis clinic! What is not plastered and gilded is a rich blue ceiling that, in any other place, would look open to the heavens. There are too many clouds for the desert, but they are tastefully done.

Whilst its outside is a tribute to Hispanic baroque, its inside is an example of what happens when mania, unsupervised artistic endeavour, and revenge meet together with two or three wagon loads of materials.

Sidney Carter, an architect and gentleman who worked on Coventry’s post war restoration told me that baroque was "A style much maligned, and rightly so!"

Finding an Aladdin’s cave of decoration in the style that informed European taste from the early seventeenth to the middle of the eighteenth century, stuck inside a building erected in nineteen twenty-nine, distinguished by curvilinear shapes, exuberant decoration, its forms suggesting movement, and dramatic effect, is almost more than the system can take.

Yet, as the patrons settled down to be enthralled as Borivoj Martinic-Jercic, a young Croatian virtuoso, executed Henryk Wieniawski’s signature Second Violin Concerto in D, few patrons could be observed examining the décor. Most were discussing the terrible weather. As for the interior of the concert hall, most, like us, are old enough and have seen enough not to be shocked by anything done in the name of Art. House lights down.

The violin piece was breathtaking. I was not so much concerned with how anyone could play such an arrangement of speeding notes, breaks, trills, arpeggios, and everything else that tumbled out of the sound holes of his fine instrument at breakneck speed; I wondered how on earth anyone could annotate it! After hearing it, I thought that the only decent thing left to do was to quietly die, and I was pleased not to be a first year fiddle student.

However, I did not die. Besides, we had to listen to a suite from Prokofiev’s ‘Cinderella.’ I tolerated five movements, wishing the while that dancers were on stage, telling the story with ballet’s graceful movement and gesture, and the orchestra in the pit. I achieved a measure of this by the power of imagination. The movements needed balletics to define them, without which, they were somewhat brusque and unrememberable.

Then, in the last offering from the Phoenix Symphony Orchestra, a sweet thrilling wonderment filled me.

The ‘Amorosa’ flowed mellifluously from brass, string, and wood, weaving themselves into a single love-like voice, such as sings in the hearts of lovers untouched by dark or disturbing things. What tones, what feeling, what power to invade and lift my very heart and soul!

That same heart whose mood had lowered during earlier movements to the point that I thought I must go home disappointed, was now lifted as if on wings of eagles, past the ugly walls and through the cerulean ceiling, playground of pagans gods, to that state of bliss that is known only to those whose hearts have caught the message that love is not only real, but is also attendant.

A stifled sound from my left where Gay was seated. I turned to see in the warm glow of velvet shadows my tender bride’s tears streaming from her eyes and rolling down her cheeks. Her face was reddened with emotion, her restrained sobs gently shaking her shoulders, and I knew!

Placing my arm around her shoulder I drew her near, and held her until the delightful strains of the euphony vanished. Love was attendant. The players rested, the audience clapped in entranced acclaim, and we resumed breathing.

Then it was back outside in the rain, back aboard the shuttle, back into Laura’s car, and back home through the mist and the rain, cheered on by the genius of Yo-Yo Mars playing the music of the genius Ennio Morricone, and back into our pedestrian routine. "Fled is that music." The poignant moment had died and slipped past us on its way to – where? But it is not forgotten.

Wordsworth wrote of his "inward eye, which is the bliss of solitude." And, just as dancing daffodils visited him in quiet and lonely moments, so the memory of Prokofiev’s ‘Amorosa’ calls to my inward ear, and from the depths of my heart memories rise to recreates that instant when disappointment turned to joy, dismay into jubilation, and perfect love reminded me of what I can never forget, that love is the language of heaven, and that I am married to an angel.

Copyright © Ronnie Bray
11th February 2005
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED


jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/14/05:

You have left me totally speechless. May you and Gay be blessed and thank you for sharing your morning and your feelings. You are a magnificent writer, my friend. May you both live long and happy lives. Happy Valentine's Day to you and your angel. :)

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arcura asked on 02/13/05 - Ok Ronnie, I've got to try it...................

I've looked but cannot find Marmite in the super markets around here.
It is in health food stores?
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. Is it in the refrierated or frozen foods section? I didn't look there.
Where please where?
Thanks,
Fred

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/13/05:

Fred, you can find it in the same place in the grocery store as the preserves. It needs no refrigeration once opened, and can last a very, very long time. It is delicious, but when I was a wee lad, I hated it. Now I actually crave it as a spread. Good luck. :)

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CeeBee asked on 02/13/05 - They (whoever "they" is) say confession

is good for the soul. I have returned to say I'm sorry for leaving so abruptly.

I also want to exonerate Bradd; he did not offend me. I was the one who had offended someone with one of my posts. This has now been resolved; I have been forgiven by that person.

After I had thrown my brownie-batter-stained, red gingham-checked apron over my head and disappeared off this board, Bradd, who knew what was going on, tried with a humorous post to allay worries and concerns about me.

Thank you for reading this. After being an expert here on Answerway for over two years, I'm glad to be back.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/13/05:

Welcome back dear CeeBee1. You were missed. Glad to see you back. Does this mean we all get a heart shaped brownie today? HAPPY VALENTINE'S day to you and yours, from me and mine. :)

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LTgolf asked on 02/13/05 - Bradd

I see that CeeBee is back and has given clarification as to her leaving.

I will say that I may have jumped to a hasty conclusion in reguards to her leaving.

I owe you an opology for my accusations to you. And I owe this board an opology if I offended anyone else.

I realise that opologies dont fix things but it will make me feel better.

Sorry

Happy Valentines Day to all

Leon

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/13/05:

Go and hug your love and everything else should be forgotten. As I said, as long as CeeBee is healthy, then everything is fine. You are a good lad Leon, kind and caring. When you care for someone you stand up for them. That is to be admired and I am sure that whoever felt slighted will understand your concern for a friend. Happy Velentine's to you and those that you love. :)

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arcura asked on 02/13/05 - Main stream media claims that France is a Catholic County.

Is it? What do you think? Recently Zenit.org reported that less than 50% of French children are baptized and 12% of French Catholics practice their faith, states the 2005 Guide to the Catholic Church in France.

Of the 295,882 civil marriages that took place in France in 2001, less than half, 118,087 married in the Church, down from 137,567 in 1992. Mixed marriages accounted for 12% of all marriages.
Approximately 62% of the French are Catholic. But, of these, 12% practice their religion regularly and 15% sporadically. Also, there are twice as many Muslims than Protestants and Jews combined - 6% are Muslim, 2%
Protestant and 1% Jewish.
Interesting, Eh?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/13/05:

Many countries where the majority was Catholic have changed. In a way, it is not bad. I think that everyone should have the freedom of choice and believe or not believe. Whatever works for an individual is the beauty of life. Who really cares what religion is on the incline or decline? I for one only care in what makes me and my loved ones happy, and the rest of humanity can choose for themselves. Be in peace. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/13/05 - Beautiful Flowers!

When Stephen was five, he wanted a flowerbed of his own. So I helped him
lay out the bed and get the ground ready. I asked him what kind of flowers
he wanted to plant. His answer was simple, "Beautiful ones."

The next day after work I picked up several different kinds of bulbs.
Stephen was so excited about finally planting his flowers. As he opened the
packages the disappointment was all over his face. Stephen looked up and
said, "Mama, you got the wrong thing, these are not flowers, they are too
ugly to be beautiful."

I assured him that if he would plant the bulbs, and take care of them, they
would grow and be the beautiful flowers he wanted them to be. Stephen
wasn't at all convinced, but he trusted me and was willing to give it a
shot. He planted the bulbs and everyday he watered them and watched to see
if they would grow. It seems like yesterday, he was standing there in
overalls, hands on his hips, staring at his flowerbed waiting to see
something beautiful appear out of the dirt.

Finally, he could see the stems, then the little buds, the day two buds
opened up was an amazing day. Stephen came running into the house yelling,
"Hurry, Mama, you have got to see my beautiful flowers."

As we stood by the flowerbed Stephen said, "I didn't think they would ever
grow, but they did. I growed it beautiful right out of the dirt." Then he
slipped his little hand into mine and asked, "Mama, how can something so
beautiful come from something so ugly"?

I think of our Heavenly Father watching and waiting for us to come to Jesus,
then He can take something ugly and stained with sin, clean us up, guard and
love us, as we grow. Then I can see Him standing and proudly looking at us
and saying look at My beautiful children, I grew them right out of the dirt.


Unknown

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/13/05:

I think that it also applies to all of us before we reach our final destination. We should not judge anyone just because of how they think, believe, act or how they might appear. Each individual that God planted on this earth is beautiful in his/her own way. This was nice. Thank you grandson. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/13/05 - SAINT VALENTINE:


Our man, Saint Valentine which would be a great Username, was a Roman martyr priest and there's a good chance that he was associated with a pagan festival. The feast was held on Feb. 14th and, as you know, is called the day of lovers. I'm looking forward to tomorrow's posts!

HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY, GUYS! (Who in the heck am I going to cuddle? Even my dogs are dead!)

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/13/05:

Hank lad, I wish you all the best, you know that. Just cuddle those memories and think of all of us here who think the world of you and are surrounding you with respect and friendship. Also, that you are going to have this old guy watch the Cubs this year. Do I really have to give up the Mets? Oh, well, I can watch picture in picture, or whatever the heck it is called. God bless. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/13/05 - The Book Of Mormon?

The book of mormon? Does anybody here know anything about this book? Why was this book not included in the kings james version of the bible? If you could help me with this I really do appreciate it.

Thank you in advance. God bless!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/13/05:

Joe, I agree with Pete. The best person to answer your question would be Ronnie, since he is a Mormon and as he wrote on this board, was a missionary and also wrote many papers. I will be just as interested in his answer as I am sure you will be. Hope all is well with you and your lovely wife. Your gramps. :)

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darkstar asked on 02/13/05 - safer enviornment

i sure miss ceebee and it seems most of us here at aw are begining to starve to dead without all the goodies ceebee always brought to the board. and it seems things have quieted down alittle; the offenders seemed to have crawled back to their rocks to hide under. so i hope you are well ceebee and aw just isn't the same without you. does anyone know, is ceebee sick? or just missing in action? darkstar

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/13/05:

I miss my CeeBee1, but as long as she and hers are healthy, I am happy. I am sure that when she is ready, or not busy, she will bake up a storm and come back. This was a nice post darkstar, it matches the poster. :)

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Bradd asked on 02/11/05 - CeeBee Is Alive And Well - And Feisty

She took exception to something bad Bradd said, and being of the female persuasion (CeeBee, not Bradd), is punishing bad Bradd.

Bad Bradd is sad Bradd now, and wonders if he (Bradd) will ever again get one of her (CeeBee) brownies.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/11/05:

CeeBee is a wonderful woman, you know her well. Valentine's is coming. I am sure that by then Bad Bradd will become Good Bradd and as long as both are healthy and well, you will have a brownie from her again. Good luck lad. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/11/05 - FOR AND AGAINST!



If God is for us, who can be against us?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/11/05:

Hank, I think that it could begin with "Me, Myself and I." We are to ourselves. Even if there is someone who is against us, we are the ones who let that entity, feeling in. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/11/05 - A CHALLENGE:


I'm going to try and be PERFECT for three days in my personal life starting tomorrow (2/12/05). If I think I did something wrong, I'll make a note of it and publish all of my wrongs on Tuesday (2/15/05).

I CHALLENGE YOU TO DO THE SAME! (Don't ask me for a definition of PERFECT. You know about manners, values, transgressions, the Commandments etc.) Good luck!

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/11/05:

I am game, but I already failed. I sneaked a piece of blueberry pie behind Sandy's back. Does that count? Hank, we are all human, we can try, but to reach perfection takes a little more than just making a few errors per day. God our Creator is all forgiving and I am sure that whatever you do, will not be a severe transgression. We can only achieve true perfection when we are one with Him. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/11/05 - PERFECTION:



How do you feel about the idea revealed through the scriptures that the perfection expected of us is not flawlessness, but the ability to accomplish a job?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/11/05:

If it has to do with accomplishing a job, then I have reached perfection long ago, but am still working on it. :)

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Pete_Hanysz asked on 02/11/05 - Desert Island Discs

I would be fascinated to read what twelve pieces of music you would choose to have with you, if you were marooned on a desert island, with a CD player of course.

You would also be allowed a book (The Bible & the complete works of Shakespeare are already there) & an item of no practical use.

Please indulge me:)

Pete

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/11/05:

I love music so here goes.

1. Beethoven - 5,7,8 and 9th.

2. Chopin - full collection

3. Charles Aznavor - collection

4. Rigoletto : "La donna è mobile"

5. Fiddler On The Roof - Zero Mostel

6. La traviata : "Lunge da lei"- Luciano Pavarotti

7. Bach - full collection

8. The Beatles - collection

9. The Rolling Stones - full collection

10. Chicago - greatest hits

11. Metallica - all

12. Louis Armstrong - all

13. Ella Fitzgerald - full collection

14. Kazem al-Saher - compositions and songs

15. Sayed Darwish -Salma Ya Salama

16. Josh Groban - You Raise Me Up

17. U2- 1980s

18. Michael Ball - Phantom of the Opera

Oh, one book, eh? Bernard Malamud's "The Natural"

A none essential item - my SpongeBob hat! :)

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STONY asked on 02/11/05 - AT THE PERSUASION OF ONE OF MY BROTHERS...

WHO CELEBRATES SUMMER IN JAN/FEB. THIS CAME ACCROSS ME EMAIL THE OTHER DAY. THINK ABOUT IT!!


Subject: God Protects His own


God Protects His own!

We know that 80% of the town of Meulaboh in Aceh
was destroyed by the Tsunami waves and 80% of the
people also died. This is one of the towns that was hit
the hardest.

But there is a fantastic testimony from Meulaboh. In
that town are about 400 Christians.

They wanted to celebrate Christmas on December 25th
but were not allowed to do so by the Muslims of
Meulaboh. They were told if they wanted to celebrate
Christmas they needed to go outside the city of
Meulaboh on a high hill and there celebrate Christmas.

Because the Christians desired to celebrate Christmas
the 400 believers left the city on December 25th and
after they celebrated Christmas they stayed overnight
on the hill.

As we all know the morning of December 26 there was
the earthquake followed by the Tsunami waves destroying
most of the city of Meulaboh and thousands were killed.
The 400 believers were on the mountain and were
all saved from destruction.

Now the Muslims of Meulaboh are saying that the God
of the Christians punished us for forbidding the Christians
from celebrating Christmas in the city. Others are
questioning why so many Muslims died while not even
one of the Christians died there.

Had the Christians insisted on their rights to celebrate
Christmas in the city, they would have all died. But
because they humbled themselves and followed the
advice of the Muslims they all were spared destruction and
can now testify of God's marvelous protection.

This is a testimony of the grace of God and the fact that
as believers we have no rights in the world. Our right is
come before God and commit our lives to Him. Our
right is kneeling down before the Lord almighty and
commit our ways to Him. He is our Father and is very
capable to care for His children. Praise the Name of the Lord.

Bill Hekman Pastor, Calvary Life Fellowship in Indonesia.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/11/05:

Since the claim is that the Muslims would not let them observe the Christian holiday, Christmas, they had to go to a higher place. My question is; if the Muslims were against Christians celebrating any holiday, would that not be known for years? Christians have lived there for a very long time. Why would they have to be retold that their celebration is banned now? I do hope that 400 people were saved, Christans, Muslims, none believers, it does not matter, but I find this a little too biased to swallow. Be in peace. :)

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Saladin asked on 02/11/05 - CeeBee

CeeBee is fine.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/11/05:

Was CeeBee ill? I wish her the best and from reading what the above experts have written, I hope she is back soon and baking up a storm! :)

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powderpuff asked on 02/11/05 - best way to convert someone?

Kudos to those who show due respect. Eric McHenry of Standing Together, an Evangelical ministry devoted to sharing Christ's love, has made a significant effort among other street preachers to be respectful toward members of the LDS Church attending general conference.

“We felt that the actions of the street preachers has not reflected the greater heart [of the Evangelical community],” McHenry said.

He said some of these actions, such as rudeness, name-calling and stomping and spitting on temple garments do not reflect Christ’s love in any way. He also referred to 1 Corinthians 13:1 in describing the futility of these people’s efforts. KJV:

1 Corinthians 13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

“The thing we’ve been criticized for is criticizing other Christians to make ourselves look good,” McHenry said.

This is why he felt a good-faith effort to find similarities rather than differences, and to build civility rather than discord was so necessary.

He said there are four types of Christians:

First is the kind that will “clack’em over the head with the Bible and show them the truth.” He believes this is overkill.

Second are those who feel there are just two things to avoid in conversation: politics and religion.

Next are those that have Mormon friends, but think they just can’t talk to them about faith.

Finally, he described the group he belongs to as those with “convictive civility,” which he regards as a better representation of faith. These are those who recognize differences between religions courteously.

To read more info, visit: http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/54288

My questions: Are you so moved by your own denominational or private belief, that you feel a need to straighten false believers out (those who dont' share your belief), set them straight? After all, you might believe it is a matter of saving a soul.... If so, would it be best to attempt by being an example of your belief or by coercion? Would coversion by coercion be genuine? If you were trying to convert someone, what method do you think would work best?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/11/05:

I would never try to convert anyone, especially not by the method of coercion. I feel that every person should make his/her own choice as to what to believe in or not believe in. My faith is my faith. I can discuss it, explain it, but I would never shove it down anyone's throat. If someone wants to convert, that again, is his/her own choice. If you instill methods of coercion, you are not really projecting a true belief for the other person. To each his own. I am who I am and I try my best to be the best that I can be. I fall short many a time, but then, I am responsible for that as we all are for whatever we do. :)

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Saladin asked on 02/10/05 - Baptism ...



Aspersion - sprinkling water on the head of the candidate.

Affusion (or Infusion) - pouring water on the head of the candidate.

Immersion - putting the candidate under the water.

"One Lord, one faith, and "one baptism."

But, which one?

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/10/05:

Baptism as demonstrated by Jesus and his disciples was done by being totally immersed in natural water. I do not think that it really matters in which way you are Baptised as long as it is performed in the name of Jesus Christ.
Acts. 4:12
:)

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Saladin asked on 02/10/05 - STONY???


Has anyone seen Tony lately???

:)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/10/05:

Ya gotta ask Billy Bob! :)

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ATON2 asked on 02/09/05 - Harmless or psychotic??? Christian or fool???

In response to Hanks question re: Homophobia...Choux replied that those who teach hatred for others are evil...Krewton rated her a black star SEVEN times with the caption..."Here's five the hard way"....He then rates a response from Saladin with 5 stars SEVEN times with the caption "Aton is not gay, just the man he sleeps with"....Do you indulgent Christians on the board still insist that this is harmless child's play....or the actions of a psychotic with a sick obsession with homosexuality??????

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/09/05:

I think that he went too far. I do not know if he is sick or not. I think that he is just trying to be annoying and has succeeded in doing so. Also his remarks about you were out of place. Instead of confronting you, he became disruptive to all. I did report him, could not stop myself, do not even know if I did it correctly, but enough is enough. Let us hope that it will now stop. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/09/05 - IS IT TIME ...


... to report our problem child? The following is Krewton's rating(s) of Chou's answer to my HOMOPHOBIA question:

Krewton Here's 5 the hard way!
Krewton Here's 5 the hard way!
Krewton Here's 5 the hard way!
Krewton Here's 5 the hard way!
Krewton Here's 5 the hard way!
Krewton Here's 5 the hard way!
Krewton Here's 5 the hard way!

... and, as some of you know, it doesn't stop there! Could this be another Khoral, the Beezlebub of AskMe? Could this be Khoral ... reincarnated?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/09/05:

It became a big problem when one wanted to rate an expert for his/her answer and had to go through at least twenty or more of Krewton's ratings. His childish behavior toward Aton was cowardly and totally irrational. Let us hope that it will stop. I, for one, not knowing how to do it, did press that "abuse" button and put in a report. If anyone saw the whole page to Sapphire's answer full, and one could hardly get a rating in, I just lost it. So, where I did not see it to be a major thing in the beginning, I felt that his behavior was uncalled for and he needed a little of a push to cut it out. :)

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Saladin asked on 02/09/05 - ABUSE reported ...


To AW Management via "ABUSE" button:

http://www.answerway.com/viewans.php?pgtitle=&expid=LTgolf&category=633&msection=&quesid=36732&ansid=144954

Krewton has taken to multiple ratings by repeated keying or by hitting 'back' and then re-sending.

Could you give him the gypsies warning?

Regards,

Ronnie


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If you feel stringly about his shenanigans, why not drop management a line yourself?

If he returns under another name, he will be easy to spot.

Ah me, back to sleep!

:)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/09/05:

Ronnie, it was very difficult to rate an expert with what he was/is doing. I wanted to rate Sapphire, and my eyes really blurred. I think that he must have given over one hundred ratings to one of her answers. I am not one to report anyone, but this became too silly to just sit back and ignore. His remarks about it being because of Aton were out of place, so for the first time, and I hope the last, I did much the same. Let us hope that it stops now. It did not bother me, but when you cannot rate someone because of childish behavior, than yes, it is an abuse of this board. Here's to better days. :)

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Saladin asked on 02/09/05 - Don't start!


If you can't cope with ZITS, then perhaps you need a rest.

He/she seems relatively harmless, so why worry?

As for the dark hints at having him/her banished from the board, you do not speak for me.

Neither ZITS or Krew are doing any harm.

Ronnie - vox populi

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/09/05:

I agree. No harm is done, just my eyes are getting worse and the tears are giving me zits! Let them both have their fun. It cannot last for long. :)

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Choux asked on 02/09/05 - Pursuing Perfection

A follow-up to Hank's question a few entries down. It occured to me that pursuing "perfection" of the self in accordance with some artificial standard is strictly ego driven and self-aggradizing behavior. Perfection requires constant maintanence on a daily basis!

Where is the mind of a person who is perfection driven? On himself! Where is the mind of a comfortable ethical person? On others!

What do you think?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/09/05:

You would have to strive to reach a higher plateau of self and concentrate on that one thing until you reach full enlightenment. This would not be total perfection of self, but partial. Like one step at a time, until you can achieve the ultimate, which is not an easy task and takes a great deal of concentration and discipline. Of course the mind would have to be on self. However, if you do find that self then it would be easier to transfer it onto others, but still using the self as a means. Just my opinion. :)

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Choux asked on 02/09/05 - Sad Letter

I received a letter today for one of my physician's office staff. He is dying, and if I want to send a note, they will give the note to him.

He is a Muslim man from Bethelehem, Israel, a Catholic, very moral and cheerful. He cared for his patients who were his life, for the most part, he having worked, really too hard over the years.

I am getting ready to compost a wonderful, as wonderful as I can, to him, very uplifting and life affitming for him.

My question. What would you suggest for me to include. I don't want to miss something wonderful. Thanks...Mary Sue

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/09/05:

Just write him how much he did for you and others and whatever else is in your heart. Make it sincere and uplifting. In other words, be yourself, the patient that he remembers and knows well. I know that you will do a great job of composing your note. :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 02/09/05 - ceebee.........

who do you think it is..........

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/09/05:

Whoever you are, why do you persist in being annoying? Why not just become a part of a great board and give some constructive questions and answers. Leave CeeBee alone. That is not an unreasonable request is it? I personally do not care who you are, just do not be provoking and disruptive. This is for your own good, unless you like to stir up something that should be flushed. :)

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powderpuff asked on 02/09/05 - did God ever say?

Did God say which church or denomination is the only one you can belong that will get you into heaven or save you from hell? What about Jesus? Did He tell us which church we must belong or which one(s) we must not join? Is there any eternal harm that will be done to those who join the 'wrong' one? Is there any harm done by people gathering together for worship if it isn't in the 'right' church?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/09/05:

No. All that is asked is that we believe in him. The denomination that one belongs to is either their choice, or that of his/her ancestors. You can worship anywhere. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/08/05 - Gay Beating!

This happened in British Columbia Canada. What do you think about this and should more be done? Or does the punishment fit the crime?

A six-year sentence given to a man described as the ringleader in the beating death of a gay man drew criticism Tuesday from the man's family and the city's gay community, which wanted the case treated as a hate crime.

In sentencing Ryan Cran, Justice Mary Humphries of the B.C. Supreme Court said there was no evidence that the attack on Aaron Webster in November 2001 was motivated by bias, prejudice or hatred. But she said the willingness by a group to inflict such "terrifying pain" on someone is an expression of some kind of hate.

"What is so chilling about his case is this group seems to have done this for some reprehensible and almost inconceivable concept of entertainment," Humphries said.

Webster's family and members of the gay community disagreed with the judge after Cran was sentenced.

"These men were out to kill a gay man," said Pamela Miller, Webster's sister.

"It was obviously a gay attack," said Brad Teeter, a gay man who attended the trial.

During a sentencing hearing last month, prosecutor Greg Weber said Webster, 41, was targeted because he was naked in Stanley Park and that's what drew the attention of four males wielding the baseball bats, golf club and pool cue used to kill him.

Weber told Humphries that he did not have any submissions pertaining to the murder being a hate crime. Cran, 23, was convicted of manslaughter last December.

Former MP Svend Robinson said after the sentencing he's angry the Crown didn't mention that Webster was a gay man or pursue the case as a hate crime.

"The hate crimes sections of the Criminal Code were enacted to send a strong message to those who would target people," he said.

Robinson said the murder sent a sense of fear over the gay community and "the sentencing today did not reflect that."

He wants B.C. Attorney General Geoff Plant to review the case and make it clear to Crown prosecutors that hate crimes laws passed by Parliament are to be respected.

"I hope that out of the tragedy of Aaron Webster's death will come a renewed determination . . . that never again will the Crown fail to recognize the reality of gay bashing," Robinson said.

Justice Valmond Romilly, who has dealt with two youths convicted in the case, has also said Webster's sexual orientation played a role in his death.

A judge can consider an anti-hate provision in the Criminal Code as an aggravating factor to increase sentences beyond those that would otherwise have been given.

The two youths involved in Webster's slaying pleaded guilty and were sentenced to two years in custody and one year's house arrest. A third man was acquitted.

Justice Humphries said during Cran's sentencing that the event was planned, that the group went out "looking for someone to beat up."

She called the attack random, cowardly and terrifying and noted that Cran was the most sober of the young men and owned the vehicle they were using to search for their victim.

Outside the court, Teeter was more condemning of Cran. "It was his plan. He put it together. He executed it and he killed a man and then bragged about it that we lynched a guy."

Humphries said victim impact statements described Webster as a warm and wonderful person who it would have been a privilege to know.

"The extent of the devastation brought upon this family by this callous, brutal act cannot be fully understood," she said.

Weber told Cran's sentencing hearing that Cran hasn't shown remorse for the killing.

He read from a pre-sentencing report in which Cran is quoted as saying he feels bad about what happened but deflects the blame. "It's pretty terrible. It's been in my head every day, thinking you've got a couple of friends who killed someone."

But Humphries said Cran claims he is remorseful and has read the victim impact statements repeatedly.

"I accept his expression of remorse as sincere," she said. "It is telling that he now views this crime with the same horror as others do."

The judge said the best opportunity for rehabilitation may be his own revulsion at his actions.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/08/05:

Murder is murder. A six year sentence is just a slap on the wrist. The reason for taking another's life should have nothing to do with whether the person was gay or heterosexual. The sentence of the crime of such magnitute should be punishable by a life sentence. He might be remorseful, but what about the victim? Did he get another chance at life?

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/08/05 - Christianity Board!!!!!!!!

These are to the people who keep bringing up ratings and other people who are rating a certain way. To all the people who keep feeding into this. I think this board would be a lot better it people stopped focusing on such things and start discussing Christianity again.

In your opinion, does Christianity play a big role in your life today? Do you install it in your everyday life. Is Jesus the most important person in your life and how do you live your life to reflect your beliefs? What denominations or religions do you believe belong in the catogory of Christianity? Thank you for your answers.

Here are my answers. Christianity I try to focus on this when living my daily life but I do admit it is not easy everyday. It is a challenge and I need to work at it everyday. I am human and because of that I have my faults. Even though I should carry Jesus in my life daily and make him important in my life I sometimes do not. My wife and family always come first but I know without God and Jesus in my life that I would not have my Wife and family or for that matter my life, so I need to remember to always be thankful for what God has provided to me. I do my best to be caring, loving and happy daily. To treat others the way I want to be treated. I do not know all the different denominations that teach about Jesus or that are considered Christianity. I think it is a matter of opinion as well because they are some that might be considered cults by some. The ones that I know off hand is Protestant, Baptist, Catholic.

Appreciate all your responses. God bless you all!

Joe (Foo Man Chew)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/08/05:

Joe, any denomination that believes in Jesus Christ would and is considered Christian. I try to do my best each day, but like most, probably fail. However, that does not mean that you do not try harder tomorrow. I treat everyone with respect, compassion, understanding and love. I see humanity through different eyes today then I did ten years ago. I have accepted what I am and who I am. The rest falls into place. None of us can be or is perfect but we all can strive to better ourselves. I hope that your wife is doing better and my best to you. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/08/05 - TO KREWTON:



"Nothing makes me an expert, I am only a sinner saved by the Grace of God through his Son Jesus Christ!"

That is on your Profile. Keyword: Saved!

What do you think is the REASON for this post?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/08/05:

Hank, as my grandson would say, "chill out." Let Krewton get his jollies and his frustrations out and then he will stop. He is a child of God, as we all are. At first I was just curious at his antics, now that I know that he has a personal vendetta against an expert, he is just making himself look infantile and insecure. Disregard it and wish him only well. :)

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arcura asked on 02/08/05 - Sex abuse is very wide spread. Take a look.....

Go to this site for the latest report on sex abuse.
The scandal is very bad and wide spread.

http://www.ventriglialaw.com/selected_topics.php

No question but your comments are welcome.
Peace and kindness arcura

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/08/05:

I agree with Aton. This was the most frightening and extensive report that I have seen. I heard about two of the cases mentioned, but never imagined that it has occurred in such a broad spectrum. The very people that children trusted were the ones that brought them the most harm. How sad.

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Geedubya84 asked on 02/08/05 - Why

Texas baby six mos bones broke foot to head sexial assault from parents. Why.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/08/05:

Is this the baby that you are referring to?

Judge appoints attorney for mother accused of abusing infant
By PAM EASTON
Associated Press Writer

HOUSTON ? A judge appointed an attorney Monday to represent a woman charged with injuring her 6-month-old, who police say was sexually assaulted, suffered broken bones from head-to-toe and had her tongue cut down the middle.

Donna Marie Norman, 19, didn't cry Friday but was "obviously upset about the situation that has happened to her family," her court-appointed attorney Jerald Graber said after a brief probable cause hearing Monday.

During the hearing, Norman's common-law husband, Ivan Castaneda, 21, asked for additional time to hire an attorney. Both are charged with injury to a child.

State District Judge Brock Thomas ruled there was probable cause for both parents to remain jailed without bond.

The infant remained in critical condition Monday at Texas Children's Hospital, where she was transferred last week after her parents brought her to another hospital, where they told doctors she was suffering from congestion.

Doctors, however, discovered the baby had severe internal and external injuries.

Child Protective Services spokeswoman Estella Olguin said the baby had been sexually abused, had two fractured legs, a fractured arm, a fractured skull, a fractured vertebrae and a healing rib fracture. She said over the weekend, the infant's kidneys stopped working.

"Just about every vital organ in this child's body has damage to it," said Houston police Sgt. Randall Upton. "This child endured probably some of the most incredible amount of pain that one could imagine."

Olguin said doctors had begun dialysis to try to reduce fluid in the infant's body. She said if the little girl survives, she could be blind or paralyzed.

"They haven't even been able to perform surgery because she is just too sick to have any kind of surgery performed," Olguin said.

A civil judge on Friday placed the 6-month-old and her 15-month-old sister, who also had a fractured skull and ribs, in state custody. The same judge on Monday heard additional testimony and ruled the girls should remain in the state's care. He set an April 4 hearing to terminate the parents' rights.

During the custody hearing, a CPS caseworker testified it would be impossible for a mother not to know her child had suffered the types of injuries doctors detected.

The caseworker, Aida Villarreal, also testified that none of the children's relatives should be allowed any contact with them.

"Family members were aware of the problems that were going on in this home," Olguin said. "If they were having any kind of interaction with these children, they would have known how severely hurt they were."

An attorney for Norman's parents claimed otherwise. He said they want custody of their grandchildren.

"The grandparents had no idea," attorney James Kincade said Monday. "They are horrified by what has happened to their grandchildren and they would do everything they can to protect them."

Assistant District Attorney Kari Allen said prosecutors are keeping a close watch on the 6-month-old's condition and would file capital murder charges if she dies.

During the criminal hearing, Allen said the 6-month-old had vaginal and anal tears and that Norman told doctors the infant's tongue was cut as she tried to remove a quarter from the baby's mouth that had been placed there by her 15-month-old sister.

"Obviously, that is a bit far-fetched," Allen said.

Graber hadn't spoken with Norman about the facts or allegations in the case, but said he planned to talk with his client in-depth Tuesday.

"I need to learn a little bit more about it before I really sit down with her," he said.

He said Norman is worried about her youngest daughter.

"Hopefully, the doctors can do their magic and the baby will be fine," the defense attorney said. "That's all any of us care about right now."

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February 7, 2005 - 6:33 p.m. Copyright 2005, The Associated Press

I do not know why, but if this is your question, then you have to say that the mother and her boyfriend are sick people, monsters in my opinion and should be punished by being incarcerated for life.

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ATON2 asked on 02/07/05 - Perverting the rating system?????

Over the past week, our retired expert, Krewton, who left claiming his only purpose was to cause trouble...is back causing more trouble. Perverting the rating system. Starting with 2/5/05 he has been multiple-rating the same answers....

2/5/05 Rated Paraclete 5 stars..three times for the same answer.
2/5/05 Again rated Paraclete 5 stars...three times for the same answer.
2/6/05 Rated Paraclete 5 starst...three times for the same answer
2/6/05 Rated Arcura 5 stars...three times for the same answer.
2/7/05 Rated Arcura 5 stars...twice for the same answer.
2/7/05 Rated revdauphinee 5 stars...SEVEN times for the same answer.
2/7/05 Rated drgade 5 stars...TEN times for the same answer.

Is this the sort of mockery of the rating system we need to put up with????? Is this not putting the recipients of his 'largesse' in jeopardy of being considered in collusion with him...since none have yet objected to the 'over-ratings'??????
Is this the way Answerway intended the rating sytem to be abused???????

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/07/05:

I noticed it today and asked in a clarification in Choux question why and basically how he could do that? I did not care about the ratings but was wondering if it was allowed. I can see a mistake being made, but not that many times, to different answers, and different people. How old is this guy anyway? It seems a childish thing to do. Is there some point to his silliness? :)

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Choux asked on 02/07/05 - Former Priest Shanley

was just convicted of repeatedly raping the paintiff, a young man of 28, who was first assaulted at the age of 6 in a Boston Court. We know that there is a problem with pedophilia in the Roman Catholic priesthood in America.

A separate issue is the issue of homosexuality. Accorising to surveys and insider info, from, one out of two, to one out of three Catholic priests are homosexuals. They preach fire and brimstone against homosexuality.

Are Catholics doing anything about the menace orthe sexual sins of their clergy?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/07/05:

One of our closest friends is a Roman Catholic. Years ago his youngest son was a choir boy and he was sodomized by one of the priest of that particular parish. He only recently told his parents about it, when stories started to surface of what priests were doing to young boys. He is still a very confused man of forty four. Never married and hardly dates. The vow of celibacy is a very hard one to take as a man, however the priests do take it, and should abide by it. That is the only case that I know of personally. Perhaps if the Vatican would allow priests to marry, such atrocities would not occur.

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hOPE12 asked on 02/07/05 - Are we not being a bit picky?

Hello Experts,

There have been questioned asked on this board with question marks that are being asked and those asking them are wanting direct answers in the way they think it should be answered.

Is that fair? Do they really read the full answers? If each person asking the question did, then they would find that answer in the comment just not in the way they wish to get the answer. I see no rules from Answerway stating that an answer has to be the way the one asking the question thinks it should be answered, as long as the answer could be found in the persons comments. Simple questions, don't always need simple answers, when one feels the need to elaborate on the comments they contribute. I personally do not follow rules set out by individual experts, but I do follow the rules of Answerway.

My suggestion to those asking questions on this board is to read all the contents of the comments. If this is done and given thought as to what is being said then the answer to the questions given would be obvious.

As to the questions that Acura gave on her hypothetical questions she asked:
1question
“You get ready, you aim. But do you fire? Do you let your abhorrence to killing stop you from shooting the enemy who is shooting at you and your friends and hitting some of them?

The Answer given was:
1 Answer.
“We need to each ask ourselves, “Do I really love my neighbor? If we say yes, then we would never kill them. Our neighbors are all the people of this world. We would never even think of killing another in war.”

Does this not say no automatically? If we love our neighbor we would not even go to war little lone pick up a gun to kill another, so the answer is in the comment if one truly reads it?

2 Question asked:
”There are some who seem to think that shooting at and killing the enemy is not the thing to do. That’s the reason for these questions. Is it the proper thing to do or not?”

Again the answer was given in the comments:
2 Answer:
“If we are a true “Christian and a follower of Jesus Christ, then we would never even go to war but instead would go to jail rather then kill another who is our neighbor. Then and only then can we honestly say from our heart, we are a follower of Jesus Christ and what he taught!”


Are we not getting a bit picky in what way the answers are given? We are adults and therefore if we disagree with the answers given then be an adult and just say you disagree. There is no need for one star because someone did write the words “No I would Not shoot”. When that persons answer is quit obvious.

Comment please and just write them however you wish to but respectful please!
Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/07/05:

I answer questions as honestly as I can.I do not expect everyone to agree with me. As far as ratings go, I really do not pay attention to that. I respect each opinion and when I am wrong in a response I make a note of it and try to do better next time. However, if someone is rude, provoking or out right obnoxious, not only to me but to another Expert, I will answer accordingly in my rating, or in clarification. There was a question asked by an Expert not too long ago, and another Expert answered with a simple "NO!", while others gave a more extensive answer. However, there was no difference in the essence of the answer. We are all individuals, and each one of us has his/her way of dealing with a certain topic. Be in peace :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 02/07/05 - Question?

I asked a couple of questions that were of concern to me. All I got from Hank was very abusive remarks. I reported Hank to answerway. There was no need for an expert to behave in the fashion that he did. Just letting you know that no one needs to be treated that way for asking questions.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/07/05:

Reread your question. Ask yourself if it was a fair one? Perhaps you do not realize that it was not exactly a nice or constructive question. As for the response that you received from other Experts, well, in a way you asked for it. To report an Expert for telling you what he did is not a good start, nor did he deserve it. We are all very protective of this board and you basically suggested that we are playing games and being infantile in our answers and questions. Perhaps you can start over again, and become a part of this wonderful board ad see the friendship, knowledge, occasional sparring, and then the true caring for each other as well as all people concerned, and you will see beyond what you assume. Be in peace. :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 02/06/05 - Games

Why do people play games on this board? I asked a question and all I got was mocking. Why? I thought the people here were adults?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/06/05:

I do not think that the humor that was attached to your question was playing a game. It was just being lighthearted, or maybe protective of a board that is like a family to so many of us. Everyone here is an adult, but we all do still have the child in us. I know that as a 76 year old, I enjoy to kid around once in a while. It is my opinion, and mine alone, but I do not think that anyone was really playing a game. Perhaps it was the manner in which you posted the question that gave you the responses that you received. Be in peace. :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 02/06/05 - Who is in charge?

The board. The experts. The babysitting. Who is in charge?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/06/05:

I do not know of anyone who is in "charge." Maybe the owners? I think that all the people who post questions, the ones who answer, would be the most likely. So it is a mixture of people, each an individual with an opinion that is solely his/her own. I hope that this answers your question. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/06/05 - Premonitions!

There is a lot of talk about Silvia Browne and her talking to the dead and other things that she talks about. Does this gift exist. In my opinion it does. It is how you use it which is most important. It is true she is making much money off her success.

For me seeing other people say she is a complete fraud and that no one can have those experiances. I think your wrong. She is making lots of money out there but there are some people out there with genuine experiances, about family and friends that has nothing to do with money but everything to do with the safety of the family.

I for one has mentioned it many times that since my teenage years have had countless dreams that have come true. Family knows, people at school know, people at work know. It is a gift I believe and It should not be misused. Everybody at a certain extent have had personal experiances that are very compelling evidence that we can pick up things, learn about things and know things through other things besides our 5 senses.

Just wanted to share my opinion about it.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/06/05:

I do believe that certain people have retained the sixth sense. However, there are many out there that claim to know and do things just for monetary reasons, and those I am leery of. If one truly possess such a gift, then it should be given freely. I have experienced things that are unexplainable, so I cannot completely omit the idea that this gift does not exist. :)

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paraclete asked on 02/06/05 - Goodbye democracy.

How did anyone think it would be otherwise?

Democracy in Iraq was wishfull thinking on the part of a Christian President, just as democracy in Viretnam was wishfull thinking on the part of his predecessors

Iraq clerics in push for Islamic state
By Edward Wong
February 7, 2005


With Shiite parties poised to take power in Iraq's new constitutional assembly, leading Shiite clerics are campaigning for Islam to be enshrined in the new constitution, governing matters such as marriage, divorce and family inheritance.

Although opinion varies on other issues, most conservative leaders insist that Sharia, or Islamic law, be the foundation for all legislation.

Such a constitution would be a sharp departure from the transitional law enacted by the US before appointing the interim government led by the Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi.

One focus of the US effort then was to secure equal rights for women and minorities. But in the constitutional assembly the US influence will be much reduced.

Under Sharia, for instance, daughters receive half the inheritance of sons.

When the interim law was written early last year, US officials persuaded the Iraqi drafters to designate Islam as just "a source" of legislation.

That irked senior Shiite clerics who, confident they now have a popular mandate after the elections, are campaigning for Islam to be recognised as underpinning the government.

The final results of the historic poll are likely to be known before Thursday, the electoral commission says.

According to results announced on Friday, the United Iraqi Alliance list, backed by Iraq's Shiite leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, has more than 2.2 million of the 3.3 million votes counted.

This gives the Sistani list 67 per cent of the vote and a commanding lead over Mr Allawi's list, which won 579,708 votes, or 17 per cent. These results came from 10 provinces that account for about 35 per cent of the country's polling stations.

If this trend continues, the United Iraqi Alliance will take the largest share of seats in the 275-member National Assembly, which is charged with appointing a government, drafting a constitution and preparing the country for full-term elections by the end of the year.

Adnan Zurfi, the Governor of Najaf and a former student in the Shiite seminary in Najaf, said of the clerics: "The most important thing for them is to write the constitution. This is why they supported the elections."

Leading Shiite clerics say they have no intention of taking executive office and following the Iranian model. But the clerics also say Shiite politicians ultimately answer to them, and that the senior religious leaders will shape the constitution through the politicians.

"We don't want to see equality between men and women because, according to Islamic law, men should have double [the importance] of women," said Muhammad Kuraidy, a spokesman for Ayatollah Muhammad Yacoubi, one of the most politically active clerics.

"This is written in the Koran and according to God."

 An Islamic militant group in Iraq claimed responsibility for kidnapping an Italian journalist and threatened to kill her by today, according to statement published on the internet.

The statement, from the Jihad Organisation, said it would kill Giuliana Sgrena if Italy did not agree to withdraw its troops from Iraq.

The New York Times, Agence France-Presse, Reuters



jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/06/05:

This was a no brainer. Our government, especially our President did/does not understand the people of Iraq. You have to know their culture, which he totally disregarded and imposed more atrocities than Saddam ever did, and it will continue. Voting for democracy? I do not think so. All I can say is that it is only the beginning of a horrible end.

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arcura asked on 02/06/05 - Let me sincerely ask this hypothetical question…

Imagine this, you are in the military – fully equipped and trained to do you duty as a soldier. But you are one who abhors killing other human beings.

You are sent into war by your superiors to do what you have pledge and sworn to do. That is to fight for your country and protect it and its citizens which includes those who are to join the fight with you on your side. In this case it does not matter which armed force you are fight with or against. The other side is the enemy.

Suddenly there is a fire fight. Bullets and shells are flying in both directions. Some of you comrades are hit.
You have the opportunity from your position to knock out the opposition and save your friends from further harm.

You get ready, you aim. But do you fire? Do you let your abhorrence to killing stop you from shooting the enemy who is shooting at you and your friends and hitting some of them?

There are some who seem to think that shooting at and killing the enemy is not the thing to do. That’s the reason for these questions. Is it the proper thing to do or not?

For clarification I do here mention that I am not a supported of capital punishment. I think that the death penalty should be abolished.
Peace and kindness, arcura

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/06/05:

I do not have to imagine it, I have lived it. To me it is not a hypothetical question. It is reality at its rawest. When confronted by an enemy while in combat, you do not have the time to think whether you are doing right or wrong. If you do not cover your troops backs, and protect your unit, then the enemy will obliterate you and them. Yes, I have killed. I did it as a soldier. No, it did not feel good, but at the moment you only felt a relief that you were not the one who lay in a ditch dead. That your friends were saved. It is much more than that. I have had my buddies killed by the enemy, and that is worse then seeing your enemy shot. I did not fight the war of today, where I probably would not fight because my country was not at risk. But when one is a soldier and his/her country is under attack, you have full knowledge that the machine gun, rifle or grenade that you carry is not something to just show to others. You know that you carry it to use it. You never forget the first time you pulled that trigger, nor the men that you killed. It is the same the last time you do it. Not pretty, but necessary at the time. It has nothing to do with capital punishment which I am against, nor does it have anything to do with the death penalty. As a soldier you do what you have to do, and then live with it for the rest of your life. Be in peace.

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arcura asked on 02/05/05 - On my earlier question about ratings-now this

I thank you for your help and suggestions. Using those I have come to a decision on how I will henceforth rate answers to my questions. And I ask others here to rate me in the same way.
If I ask for a comment I will rate all with 5 stars.
If I post something for your information, or a joke, anything you say will be considered a comment. The exception will be in case someone uses expletives or personal degrading remarks those get one star.
If I ask a question I will expect an answer which I will rate according to what I think it is worth. If it is sincere it will get a much higher rate than a smart mouthed answer.
If you want to comment, fine, as long as the question is answered.
If you just want to comment and not post an answer, do not put it in the answer box. It will get a very low rate.
I suggest comments only be posted in the area provided for clarification.
If I post something regarding spirituality and want and answer from your spiritual experience please don’t answer if you do not believe in spirituality or the existence of the supernatural. I will take a dim view of such posts, particularly those who think that heaven, hell, and/or God are superstitious nonsense.
Your comments on this post are welcome.
Thank you.
Peace and kindness, arcura

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/06/05:

I respect your way and rating accordingly. My question is: Why are ratings the focal point of any post or answer? I think that an individual should be able to express what he/she feels, and not think about what someone else might think of their response. I have seen more ratings done out of anger, than a legitimate reason. I enjoy all answers, whether I agree with them or not. We are all individuals, with our own thought process and complying to someone else, or swaying with the wind just to get a good rating is phony and unfair to being truly expressive. Be in peace. :)

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Bradd asked on 02/05/05 - Sylvia Browne - New Religion

Sylvia Browne is a self-styled psychic. She has claimed success with police departments in helping to solve murders and find missing persons. Not ONE police department is the US has ever verified such claims of success.

Browne is frequently on Larry King and Montel Williams shows, and the gullible swoon. She is an expert at "cold reading". King and Williams laugh all the way to the bank as their ratings soar when she is on.

Browne dispenses private "readings" at $700 a pop. She is now starting her own "religion", which is an amalgam of Christianity and her "psychic" contacts with the dead.

Browne has been offered one million dollars (on the TV air) to prove herself. She agreed to do so, apparently because she couldn't refuse on nationwide TV. That was over 3 years ago, and she has yet to fulfill her agreement to be tested. She continues to claim that she talks to the dead (at $700 per contact outside of her TV appearances).

Do any of you think that the Sylvia Brownes are actually communicating with the dead? Or have her and her ilk simply discovered a cash cow preying on the gullibility of so many?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/06/05:

I have seen her only once, and unfortunately, there are many people out there that want to believe that talking to the dead or predicting future events in their lives gives them a superficial lift. It is sad to see lonely people be taken advantage of, but she is not the only one that is doing it. As long as there are people who believe in this nonesense, and I do not wish to offend anyone, that is how long these Sylvia Browns will be around. While she and her supporters are getting richer, the trusting are getting poorer. If one could talk to the dead, then I am sure that the partners that I had would pay me back all the loans that I extended to them, or at least tell their families about it.! :)

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paraclete asked on 02/05/05 - Last year we prayed for Florida

Now it's time to return the favour as the Cook Islands faces a Cyclone of devistating proportions

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Islands-evacuated-as-supercyclone-nearss/2005/02/06/1107625058962.html

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/06/05:

The link did not work for me, but I hope that all people will be properly evacuated and if help is needed it will be forthcoming from many areas of the globe. May they all be safe and blessed. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/05/05 - Abuse!!!!!!!

Those poor children that got abused continusly. How can us, regular ordinary Joe help these children get through such abuse? I am sure some will be afraid to trust others ever again, some might act out and try to get revenge. How should society help these children grow up healthier and hopefully happier?

Is there anyway for them to lead ordinary lives and learn how to trust again. Yes, and these children should be prayed for as well.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/06/05:

This is only my opinion, but I think that they will need years of therapy and being in a constructive, caring and loving environment. The only thing that I see that we can do, is to be more aware of our neighbors. If we see abuse or hear of it, we should report it. The only other thing is to thank God that he takes care of these children and all children who go through any kind of abuse. It is a horrific thing to treat another human being in such a manner, especially a child. Hopefully, with proper care these children will grow up knowing that what was done by this couple was/is a punishable act and that the people who did this to them will never again be in their lives. That they did not get away with it. I am sure that the authorities will take proper action against them, put them on trial, and ultimately, contrary to what Excon said, it will be up to a jury (you or me) not literally, to find the proper punishment for these monsters. It is my hope that the children will be able to overcome this and grow into loving and caring adults. :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/05/05 - WOULD YOU FAINT? ... PART II:



How would you feel if you looked at the sky some very dark night and saw a panoramic view of Satan wearing his red and black robe looking straight at you? I have often wondered about this as well!

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/05/05:

I would probably feel that I had too much prune juice! :)

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HANK1 asked on 02/05/05 - WOULD YOU FAINT?



How would you feel if you looked at the sky some very dark night and saw a panoramic view of God wearing his white robe looking straight at you? I have often wondered about this!

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/05/05:

I would think that it was a cloud formation. Just like you can imagine an airplane or an elephant. I have no concept of what God looks like so I would just enjoy the sky and that is about it. Hope you are well Hank. Be in peace. :)

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paraclete asked on 02/05/05 - Are you an idiot?

Aton said

"If I can handle some of the idiots on this page"

to whom was he referring, do you think?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/05/05:

To whoever he feels is an idiot. Depends on any given answer that someone might give or a posting that someone makes. What is this nit picking of Aton anyway? It seems that so many are fascinated by him that they have to keep posting his "remarks." Ask Aton directly who he meant by his generalized statement.I am more than sure that he would have no problem with telling you. Be in peace. :)

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arcura asked on 02/05/05 - This one fits well with the wisdom in....

some of Pete's brief answers.

Lesson learned the hard way.

Scientists at NASA built a gun specifically to launch standard 4 pound dead chickens at the windshields of airliners, military jets and the space shuttle, all traveling at maximum velocity. The idea is to simulate the frequent incidents of collisions with airborne fowl to test the strength of the windshields.

British engineers heard about the gun and were eager to test it on the windshields of their new high speed trains. Arrangements were made, and a gun was sent to the British engineers.

When the gun was fired, the engineers stood shocked as the
Chicken hurled out of the barrel, crashed into the shatterproof shield, smashed it to smithereens, blasted through the control console, snapped the engineer's back-rest in two, and embedded itself in the back wall of the cabin like an arrow shot from a bow.

The horrified Brits sent NASA a video of the disastrous results of the experiment, along with the design specifications of the windshield and begged the US scientists for suggestions.

NASA responded with a one-line memo - "Defrost the chicken!"

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/05/05:

I am almost certain that our lad, Pete, will give you a un-defrosted answer. Be careful, look what the chicken did to the train! :)

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revdauphinee asked on 02/05/05 - Hi Im back

dont know what happened here but was unable to sign on here fro 2 weeks .I sure missed y'all
Dorothy

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/05/05:

As long as you are all right, the rest does not matter. You were very much missed. Welcome back! :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/04/05 - Are these thoughts scary to you???????

Okay some people were talking. Talking about the spirit world. Spirits, Ghosts and other things. Phychics have claimed to talk to the dead and they can describe a persons house their daily activities and so on. How about Guardian angels that are with you for your whole life.

This thought actually scares people. What if they all exist and that are watching our every move. Us going to the washroom, Making love with our loved one, and etc....... Or each dimension or other existance that we can usually not see, can they really see us, if we can not see them.

What are your thoughts on these crazy ideas?

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/05/05:

Nothing like this scares me. I have had experiences that I knew something was helping me, but as far as Psychics, and spirits, ghosts, etc. If they are around, I have not seen them, they have not interfered with my life, nor would I be scared by them. Some people claim to have the talent to see things, as in the future or predict events, whether that is true or not I really cannot say. I live in the present and see what is right in front of me in the now. Be in peace. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/04/05 - Heaven and Hell

Do you believe in Heaven and Hell or just one or the other?

In your own beliefs or opinions what happens to us when we die? Do we go into a new world with a new body? Do we just sleep for eternity? Do we come back here in another life?

What are your beliefs or opinions about this? Thank you in advance!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/05/05:

Honestly, I do not think about what happens when one dies. I try to do my best while I am still alive and whatever God our Creator has in store for me when that time comes, that is what it will be. I prefer to help as much as I can while on this earth, show love, compassion, and understanding of my fellowman. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/04/05 - Dream Questions???Comments Welcome!!!

Please I know some of you might be interested in dreams and etc...

I had this real upsetting one and I would like to share it with you and get your opinion of it. No I was not eating anything weird before going to sleep, no medication etc... I was feeling really relaxed, peaceful and more.

Here Goes... It is very confusing and very weird.

About myself and my wife. We were going to renew our vows. She wanted to wear her wedding dress, but I did not want to wear the tux. Before all this there was lots of confusing events. Myself driving a vehicle and at the same time controlling another vehicle ahead of me. Trying to get to the wedding quickly. It was suppose to happen at 2 oclock. There were many people missing from the original wedding and we decided to renew our vows 6 months after the wedding. Got there and she came over. We gave the rings to some person. I heard the priest talking to my mother saying you really need to pray for them. My mother said she has, she has. The priest kept repeating it over and over and then he started getting angry and nasty. My mom got upset and could not believe it. There was such a negative atmosphere. My wife said she had 2 symptoms lets get this done and over with. She has epilepsy.. So as we went up we said lets have fun we started dancing and smiling and laughing and we did not care what people thought. Next thing you know she is kneeling looking at the front, got up and kneeled again then she collapsed and had a huge seizure. Next thing you know she disappeared and the priest came up to me with an envolope with all her belongings in it and said I am sorry. I looked through the package and could not find the rings, the right ones. I searched and searched and they could not find them eighter. I felt bad because at this point I was like what is her family going to think she is at the hospital and I am here searching for rings. They are engraved. When I first received the package I cried. There are other parts of the dream as well. When I woke up I told my wife about the dream it scared her. Usually I have dreams that come true, about her having seizures. This dream seemed way out there.

I felt so upset when I woke up and held her tight and thanked God I have her. I was also scared she was going to have her seizure.

When I went to sleep felt possitive, happy, relaxed and peaceful and having such a negative dream. Why do you think this happens? How can it effect a person so deeply even though I know it was a dream?

Thank you in advance! Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/05/05:

I do not know much about dreams, but even though you were relaxed and happy, it seems that you have some fears pertaining to your marriage and the thought that your wife might leave you and that you really care what her family thinks of you. The looking for the rings, I think means that you were actually looking for the marriage that you had before now. As for her seizures, if she has them, I know that I would always be thinking of the health of my wife, so that must have been part of it. Maybe you should ask someone who knows how to interpret dreams about this Joe, because obviously it disturbed you and your wife. As always, I wish you and your wife the best. Your gramps. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/04/05 - ABUSE!!!!!!!

A florida couple accused of torturing and starving 5 of thier 7 children were captured in Utah. They are adopted. The Couple are accused of using a cattle prod or some sort of stun gun to shock the children. Securing them to spots in the house with chains, striking their feet with hammers and pulling thier toenails with pliers. They were kept in closets which had chimes on them so they would know when they tried getting out. They were so called home schooled. 14 year olds and 16 years old ranged in weight from 36 pounds to 56 pounds.

This is disgusting. What do you think should be done to these people who commited this?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/05/05:

This was a horrendous act of cruelty and I feel that the couple should be punished for this terrible crime. If it were up to me, I would not even have them be tried, I would lock them up forever. Obviously they were sick, but in this case I would have no problem in eliminating them from society. Better yet, "an eye, for an eye."

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ATON2 asked on 02/03/05 - Prayertime for ATON????

For Rolcam, arcura, and fredg....I do not accept the prayers of sanctimonious hypocrites who publicly proclaim, like the Pharisees admonished by Jesus, their prayer schedule. I neither need nor want prayers from any of you....or any other pseudo-Christian on this page. I have lived a very, very full and splendid life without prayers from ANY of you. I will continue to do so as long as my Creator permits. If you need to pray, pray for yourselves, that you will ultimately understand the message of Jesus. Until then, if you persist in this type of 'prayerful' harrassment, against my wishes, I will not hesitate to report it as abuse of myself and a perversion of the purpose of this site...It is not a Catholic prayer meeting, not a Catholic apologetics page, not a 'lets-all-hold-hands-and-prayer-for-those-nasty-sinners' page. If you cannot use this page in the manner it was intended, as a Question and Answer forum explicating Christianity, you have no right to be here.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/03/05:

How did I know that some comment would be forthcoming from you? Well done lad, very well done. :)

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fredg asked on 02/02/05 - For Christians

Good Morning,
I would like to share this with you. If you are a Christian, you will like this:

http://inspirationsfortoday.com/pinetrees.html

May God bless you,
fredg

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/03/05:

I have seen this a few times, and even checked out a few pine trees in my area. I have to admit that some do have crosses on the tips. Thank you for letting me view it once again. Be in peace. :)

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ROLCAM asked on 02/02/05 - PRAYERS FOR ATON2 on Easter Sunday.

Open request to all Answerway Members.

Please just indicate with a YES or a NO
as to whether you are prepared to offer
a special prayer to Jesus on behalf of
ATON2 and all the others that disrupt
proceedings on this particular forum.

ROLCAM

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/03/05:

My dear lad, from what I know about Aton, I think that he has his own ideas about prayer.I also do not find him to be disruptive. He voices his opinions, has large knowledge, and the occasional debate gives zest to this board. I do not see him instigating more than the true disrupters, and I only know of a few. I always thank God our Creator for bringing so many different people, with different viewpoints into my life and that is how I pray. :)

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freethinker asked on 01/31/05 - Bad driving ....

To keep in line with the intentions of this board, I have added a related question in the end.
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After getting all of Pope John Paul's luggage loaded into the limo (and he doesn't travel light), the black driver notices that the Pope is still standing on the curb.
"Excuse me, Your Eminence," says the driver, "Would you please take your seat so we can leave?"
"Well, to tell you the truth," says the Pope, "they never let me drive at the Vatican, and I'd really like to drive today."
"I'm sorry but I cannot let you do that. I'd lose my job!
And what if something should happen?" protests the driver, wishing he had never gone to work that morning.
"There might be something extra in it for you," says the Pope.
Reluctantly, the driver gets in the back as the Pope climbs in behind the wheel.
The driver quickly regrets his decision when, after exiting the airport, the Supreme Pontiff floors it, accelerating the limo to 105mph.
"Please slow down, Your Holiness!!!" pleads the worried driver.
But the Pope keeps the pedal to the metal until they hear sirens.
The Pope pulls over and rolls down the window as the cop approaches, but the cop takes one look at him, goes back to his motorcycle, and gets on the radio.
"I need to talk to the Chief," he says to the dispatcher.
The Chief gets on the radio and the cop tells him that he's stopped a limo going a hundred and five.
"So bust him," said the Chief.
"I don't think we want to do that, he's really important," said the cop.
Chief exclaimed, "All the more reason to bust him!"
"No, I mean really important!," said the cop.
The Chief then asked, "Who ya got there, the Mayor?"
Cop: "Bigger."
Chief: "Governor?"
Cop: "Bigger."
"Well," said the Chief, "Who is it?"
Cop: "I think it's God!"
Chief: "What makes you think it's God?"
Cop: "Well, he's got the Pope for a limo driver!"
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My question : let's say that God has - just like this driver - a very dark complexion : wouldn't that raise the atheism percentage in the Southern States?
:)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/01/05:

I don't think it would make one bit of difference. I never think of God being a specific color. He is the oceans, mountains, trees, flowers, every living thing. Therefore, I imagine that most believers feel the same. As for the south, I think that whoever is an Atheist will remain one, and those that believe in God will continue to do so. Be in peace and well. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/01/05 - Roman Catholic!!!!!!!

Just some comments and thoughts. For anybody that is interested. Yes, I am brought up as a Roman Catholic. Just because I was brought up as a Roman Catholic does not necessarly mean that I believe every single thought and every single teaching according to the Catholic church. A lot more of the teaching I have had does not come from the Catholic thought but straight from the Bible. Where is my Catholic teachings? Where is the bible teachings? So on and so on. Just because I do not take everything so literly does not make it any less important.

Joe

Also Baptist,
Also Many other teachings and writings.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/01/05:

My dear Joe, it does not matter what denomination you belong to. We reach a point in life when we reach our own conclusions as to belief and that is how it should be. As we mature, our thought process changes and the way we wish to believe is the core of our being. May you be blessed and happy always. Your cybergrandpa. :)

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Saladin asked on 02/01/05 - To my Roman Catholic friends ...


I am sorry that my friend the pope is having a hard time and that his health has taken a turn for the worse.

My family keep him in our prayers.

God bless you.

Ronnie and Gay

jeremy_hobbs answered on 02/01/05:

I am saddened to hear of his failing health. I think that he is a very kind and intelligent man. His love for children is what touched me. I have read about his life and out of all the Popes, he is to be admired most. May he be blessed. My best to you and Gay as well. :)

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darkstar asked on 01/30/05 - whats in a name?

hi, i was wondering how many people think their name influences they way people precieve you? most of us keep the name we were born with and do you feel that people have preconcieved ideas about you becasue of your name? after all your parents are the ones who decided your name most likely and do you feel your name has influenced the kind of person you are?

i had six children with a wide variety of names they are: Amin, Jacob, Ana, Kelly, Abbie, and Sadie. Amin was named before the terroist Amin was ever in the news but this has affected him some i think. now i have 8 grand children and their names are Forrest (F), Ivy, Jacob, Kaleb, Andrew, Kellen, Jasmine and Summer Lily....Just curious, how do you feel about your name? i was embarrassed about my name growing up, as a child, i thought my name was a trashy name for some reason, can't remember why thou now, darlene

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/30/05:

I never really thought of my name much. It seemed a serious name when I was a child. Jeremiah, but then I was called Jer, or Jermy, which bothered me. Since adulthood, Jeremy and Jer, has never bothered me. Those that liked me and enjoyed my company, did so based on me, I hope, and not my name. We called our girls, Carol and Margaret. Carol liked her name, Margaret did not, so we call her Peggy. But I imagine that a name does have something to do with how people see us, or how we feel about ourselves. By the way, your name is charming as are the names of your children and grandchildren. Bless you all. :)

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ROLCAM asked on 01/30/05 - Do you agree with freethinker's views ?

The REAL RELIGION of the USA is not christianity but the Dollar.
EVERYTHING in the USA seems sacrificed at the altar of the Dollar, including happiness, childrens safety and development, and human solidarity.

From what I gather freethinker is a European.

Is this a fair comment ??

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/30/05:

Every country, even the one that John, Freethinker, comes from has to depend on money for the very reasons that are stated above. As for the real religion of the US to be the dollar, well, then it would apply to all nations. First of all, religion is separate from monetary need. If one is a Christian it does not mean that he/she shuns money to sustain their basic needs. Where Freethinker sees religion as being based on a belief and not an acceptance, meaning proof of their being a God, then yes, we all accept money, just as his country does. I am sure that there are Christians where he dwells, so there is little difference what name is placed on a country. This is an erroneous statement. While I do like John and wish him well, he seems to really dislike the US. He has his reasons, I am sure, which I respect, but perhaps if he would see us as being humans and not just a religion his stance would be one of a more gentle nature. :)

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ROLCAM asked on 01/30/05 - A quotation from a response by tomder55.

European Christians are surrender monkeys .

In my estimation, this does not sound very nice.

Please would you express your views on this.

ROLCAM.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/30/05:

I only heard this referred to the French. It is like they will go and pray, claim to be true Christians and then do things that are against the teachings of the Church/their belief. These are referred to as "Cheese eating monkeys." I don't know if that is what Tom meant, but to me the meaning would be that they are hypocrites. I hope that this helps. Be in peace. :)

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ROLCAM asked on 01/29/05 - A quotation from one of Choux's response.

It is estimated that **50%** of Catholic Priests are homosexual.

I refute absolutely such nonsense!!

Where does she arrive at such a ridiculous statistic?

Do you agree with her?

What is your estimated percentage?

In my book they are in the minority, and all I can do is pray for them.

ROLCAM.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/30/05:

Rol, try this link. http://www.trosch.org/ant/gay_priests.html

I was not sure and did a search. I was really disturbed at what I read. Things should change and maybe with more people being aware, they will be. Be in peace. :)

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CeeBee2 asked on 01/27/05 - Will there be animals (e.g., our pets) in heaven?

The Bible never gives us a definitive answer to this. God told Noah that the covenant was between God, Noah, and "with your descendants after you; and with every living creature that is with you..." - "all flesh" which implies animals as well as humans. Matthew and Luke tell us that not even a sparrow falls to the earth without God's knowing it. God will not ignore a single one of His creatures no matter how small or seemingly insignificant. Some say animals can't go to heaven because they don't have souls. The Hebrew term used repeatedly in the OT to describe animals is nephesh chayah - chayah "living" and nephesh "the whatver-it-is that makes a person or an animal a conscious, sentient individual. Or what about the word picture painted by Isaiah's vision of Paradise: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."

Would your heaven without your pets/animal friends be less than heavenly?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/28/05:

Wherever Hobbs goes, I am following. Although with the mischief that he creates, I am not sure if it will be heaven! :)

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Liz22 asked on 01/27/05 - I Love You All

I had to ask the Lord to help me in what to say, and I would like to apologize for the silly post I had put up, the issue on Blood, the words did not come out right, but after much research and listening to you experts, of course I would take blood.


I would like to apologize to Darkstar I did not know about her circumstances and my heart and Prayers go out for her and that her lovely Grand Daughter will get well.
You all mean a lot to me, and I have heard people tell me where I live, it is only the internet, don't let it bother you, but to me, I know you are real people with real feelings and I just wanted to say' Forgive me, and I love you all.


You have guided me and showed me new paths, and I only Pray you know how wonderful you all are.
I have to leave here in the morning to another specialist and I wanted to get this out before I go.
But more I wanted to leave you my love and may the Lord Jesus Bless you more than you could know.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/28/05:

My dear Liz22, your post was not silly. I will thank God our Creator, for your speedy recovery and wish you the best. Your post was very touching and I know that many people here feel the same about you. Be in peace. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/27/05 - Tony Blair MP PM on Racial and Religious Hatred


We must never forget victims - PM Jan 27 2005


Prejudice must be confronted wherever it occurs, Tony Blair told the holocaust memorial service in Westminster.

On the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, the Prime Minister said: "We must never forget the holocaust victims.

"We must never dishonour their memory by allowing the ugly poison of racial prejudice and hatred to hold sway again. We must pledge ourselves to confront such prejudice wherever it seeks to disfigure our community and we must remember above all that the holocaust did not start with a concentration camp."

He added: "It started with a brick through the shop window of a Jewish business, the desecration of a Synagogue, the shout of racist abuse on the street. We recall what humanity at its worst can do.

"And then, in keeping the memory of the holocaust in our minds and hearts, we allow the dead to live again, to teach us, urging us to work for a world free from such prejudice and hatred, for a future shared by all."

There was no need to repeat to survivors the significance of the date, the Prime Minister said in his Westminster Hall address.

"We know you will have many bitter memories, many recollection of personal tragedy," he said. "You will recall people you knew, family and friends who died and who, now, across the years come back to you and make your grief fresh and vivid. We pay tribute to you."

Younger generations might ask what relevance the commemoration has for them, Mr Blair said.

"It reminds us of suffering beyond imagination, not just because of the miserable and wretched cruelty endured by the holocaust victims, but because of how it was inflicted," he said.

"It was death as an industry, not just the destruction of human life, but of human essence, done with a barbarity we can scarcely contemplate."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Let us pray that even the insensitive will take a lesson from this.

Ronnie




jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/28/05:

For those of us who remember those times, we can only hope that all prejudice will be eradicated from all minds. What happened during the Holocaust and WWII should never happen again. We are a civilized people and perhaps it is unrealistic to think that all atrocities will cease against humanity, however, I sincerely pray to God our Creator, that sense be put into all humans who dwell in His universe. All people, of various beliefs, races, nationalities are basically one. We can disagree, but we must start to agree on saving that which we have and not destroy what we have learned from past errors.

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ROLCAM asked on 01/27/05 - CHRISTOFIED ?? (Not in my Dictionary) .

Lately ATON2 used the above word.

I went to my dictionary and find these words which are derived from the word CHRIST.

They are:-

Christogram,
noun.the symbol XP used for Christ's name, especially as a monogram; chrismon. See XP.

Christolatry,the worship of Christ.

Christological, adjective.having to do with Christology.

Christology,
noun.1. the study of the life and attributes of Christ.
2. a theory or doctrine concerning Christ.

All I am asking for is :-

Has anyone got an official definition of this word.

Thank you, if you can help.

ROLCAM.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/28/05:

The word Christofied comes form the writings of W.D. Davis, and he refers to it as "The land has been Christofied." In the book of Judges you will find that scripture tells us that Christ is our land, our place. One day this life of Christ will lead us into a new heaven and a new earth and we'll have new bodies. We'll be just like Christ. So, what I think that Aton meant was to say that any belief in Christ or the teaching of Christ, would be Christofied. But then you would have to have his answer. This is just my thought of what he might have been referring to. You won't find it in a dictionary, because it was a "catch phrase" written and referred to by only a few. Be in peace. :)

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Choux asked on 01/27/05 - Freethinkers

Just a couple of words about Freethinkers. I am a Freethinker as well as freethinker-the username guy. That is simply a person who wants to think and assess all kinds of stuff in our wondrful Creation without artificial constraints primarily religious doctrine teachings, and The Bible.

I tried to refresh my memory by doing a search, but couldn't find what I wanted, so some of the following info may be *inaccurate*.

Freethinker Groups formed in the 18th Century, if I remember correctly. They have a long tradition of skepticism and rational inquiry.

At the present time, Secular Humanists are freethinkers, but not the only freethinking group.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/27/05:

My dear Choux, you should read Susan Jacoby's book, "Freethought Revival". In it she writes that "freethinker and freethought are terms that date from the end of the 17th century. Freethinker basically meant someone who did not believe in the received word of the bible or the authority of religion. Freethinkers have often been described as people who didn't believe in God, but it's more accurate to see freethought as a kind of a broad continuum, ranging from those who really didn't believe in God at all to deists who believed in a God who set the universe in motion but afterwards didn't take an active role in the affairs of men." :)

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CeeBee2 asked on 01/26/05 - Chou assigned me to be Thursday's moderator on this

board. If you behave, you will be the guest of honor at a smorgasbord featuring your favorite foods. If you don't behave, well, hmmmmmmm, gee whiz, oh my.........

(Since I know all of you will behave, please list your favorite foods so I can begin grocery shopping.)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/27/05:

Hope that you have a nice and quiet day. As I stated I want everything that Ronnie ordered, only double. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/26/05 - Apes and Pigs ..................................

What Al Qur'an says, and what people say it says are often two vastly different things.

The same can be said of what the Bible says and what commentators say it says.

In a feeble effort to shed light on the subject of a recent post, I post the following without comment and hope that readers will see the differences between the scripture and the commentary for themselves.

It is an auguste and scholarly work that deserves our fullest attention,

Many of the footnotes carry clarifications that will set out a variety of beliefs about the transformations of various groups, including Muslims, for specific conduct displeasing to God (Allah), and at specific times.

Considered as an explanation of a faith from the inside, the sensible will see less intentional insult in it than the insistence by some Christians that "all Muslims are headed straight to Hell!"


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Based on Koranic Verses, Interpretations, and Traditions, Muslim Clerics State: The Jews Are the Descendants of Apes, Pigs, And Other Animals
By Aluma Solnick*
Introduction
Depicting Jews – and sometimes also Zionists – as "the descendants of apes and pigs" is extremely widespread today in public discourse in the Arab and Islamic worlds.

For example, in a weekly sermon in April 2002, Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the highest-ranking cleric in the Sunni Muslim world, called the Jews "the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs."[1]

In one of his sermons, Saudi sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."[2]

"Read history," called Al-Sudayyis in another sermon, "and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers... the scum of the human race 'whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs...' These are the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption..."[3]

In a sermon at the Said Al-Jandoul mosque in Al-Taif, Saudi sheikh Ba'd bin Abdallah Al-Ajameh Al-Ghamidi explained that "the qualities of the Jews" were present at all times and in all places: "The current behavior of the brothers of apes and pigs, their treachery, violation of agreements, and defiling of holy places... is connected with the deeds of their forefathers during the early period of Islam – which proves the great similarity between all the Jews living today and the Jews who lived at the dawn of Islam."[4]

In an August 2001 sermon, Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi, Palestinian Authority official and imam of the Sheikh Ijlin mosque, Gaza City's main mosque, called on the Palestinian people to forget their internal disagreements and turn all weapons against Jews: "lances must be directed at the Jews, the enemies of Allah, the nation accursed in Allah's book. Allah described [them] as apes and pigs, calf-worshipers, idol-worshippers..."[5]

Seeing Jews as "descendants of apes and pigs" is common also in Shi'ite Islam. Such statements appear, for instance, in a 1998 speech by Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah on the occasion of the Shi'ite 'Ashoura holiday. Nasrallah regretted that the holiday fell "on the 50th anniversary of the bitter and distressing historical catastrophe of the establishment of the state of the grandsons of apes and pigs – the Zionist Jews – on the land of Palestine and Jerusalem." He closed his speech with these words: "... We reaffirm the slogan of the struggle against the Great Satan and call, like last year: 'Death to America. To the murderers of the prophets, the grandsons of apes and pigs,' we say: ... 'Death to Israel...'"[6]

These statements are made not only by clerics and preachers. Following their lead, public opinion leaders in the Arab world also call the Jews "the descendants of apes and pigs." The image has pervaded the public consciousness, even in child-rearing. In May 2002, Iqraa, the Saudi-Egyptian satellite television station, which according to its website[7] sets for itself the goals of "highlighting aspects of Arab Islamic culture that inspire respect," "highlighting the true and tolerant picture of Islam and refuting the accusations directed against Islam," and "planting a spirit of mutual understanding and dialogue among members of the nation and opening channels of cultural connection with the cultures of other nations," interviewed a three-and-a-half-year-old "real Muslim girl" about Jews. On "The Muslim Woman Magazine" program, the girl was asked whether she liked Jews; she answered, "no." When asked why she didn't like them, she said that Jews were "apes and pigs." "Who said this?" the moderator asked. The girl answered, "Our God." "Where did He say this?" "In the Koran." At the end of the interview, the pleased moderator said: "No [parents] could wish for Allah to give them a more believing girl than she... May Allah bless her, her father and mother. The next generation of children must be true Muslims. We must educate them now while they are children, so that they will be true Muslims."[8]

In April 2002, a weekly talk show on the Al-Jazeera satellite television station, "The Opposite Direction" which claims to have tens of millions of viewers across the world, addressed the question "Is Zionism worse than Nazism?" The moderator, Dr. Faisal Al-Qassam, included in the discussion the opinion of a viewer who wrote in from the station's website: "The sons of Zion, whom our God described as the sons of apes and pigs, will not be deterred unless there is a real holocaust, that will destroy all of them at once, together with the traitors – those who collaborate with them, the scum of this [Islamic] nation."[9]

Salim 'Azzouz, columnist for the Al-Ahrar Egyptian opposition daily, affiliated with the religious Liberal Party, described Israel's May 2000 withdrawal from Lebanon: "They fled with only the skin on their bodies, like pigs flee. And why say 'like,' when they actually are pigs and apes?"[10]

This paper aims to place these references to Jews as apes and pigs in their religious and historical context and show their roots in Muslim religious sources.

Chapter One


Islamic Religious Sources on the Jews - The 'Descendants of Apes and Pigs'

According to Islam, the ancient Jews were turned into animals for transgressing the word of God.[11]

This divine punishment is mentioned in the most important sources of Islamic religious law, in both the Koran's recounting of the divine revelation, and in the extremely reliable Hadiths (traditions of the Prophet Muhammad) compiled by the leading ninth-century sages Muslim and Al-Bukhari,[12] which mention also mice, lizards, and other animals in the same context.

The divine punishment of Jews is mentioned in three Koranic verses:

"... They are those whom Allah has cast aside and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made some as apes and swine..." (5:60);

"...You have surely known the end of those from amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, in consequence of which we condemned them: Be ye like apes, despised" (2:65);[13] and

"when, instead of amending, they became more persistent in the pursuit of that which they were forbidden, we condemned them: Be ye as apes, despised" (7:166).[14]

Arab literature (Adab) also discussed Jews' transformation into animals. In his 9th century treatise The Book of Animals, the greatest of these authors, Al-Jahiz,[15] mentions that it is generally thought that the cheetah, eel, white ant, mouse, and lizard were originally Jews. He mentions the tradition telling how a sage saw a man eating a lizard and said to him:

"Know that you have eaten one of the sheikhs of the sons of Israel."

He does not mention why they were changed into animals, but does say that proof of this is that

"the lizard's foot resembles the human hand."[16]


Chapter Two

Koranic Commentary:

Christian and Muslim Sinners Were Also Transformed into Apes and Pigs

Although in the Koran, transformation into apes and pigs is connected only with Jews, Koranic commentary links transformation into apes and pigs with Christians as well.

Verse 5:112-115 relates that the Apostles wanted to know whether God could bring down a table laden with food from the heavens.

Jesus directed this request to God, and it was answered.

However, God warned him that anyone who ate at the table and would then commit blasphemy would be punished in a way that no one had yet been punished.

In his commentary on this verse, the renowned 10th century commentator Al-Tabari[17] says, that despite God's warning, some did commit blasphemy and were punished by being turned into apes and pigs – or, in another version, only into pigs.[18]

Another verse linking Christians with apes and pigs is 3:61; according to the commentary on this verse, a deputation of Christians from Najran came to Al-Madina to debate the Prophet about the question:

Was Jesus the son of God, as the Christians claimed, or flesh and blood, with no mother or father, like the first man, as the Muslims claimed?

After finding that they could not agree, they decided to meet again and curse each other, thinking that God's curse would apply to whichever of them was lying.

When the Christian deputation saw that the Prophet brought with him his relatives from the 'Ali bin Abu Taleb family, they were frightened, and acknowledged his prophetic mission and decided to make peace with him, recognize his rule, and pay jizya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule].

According to a Hadith of the Prophet, cited mostly in Shi'ite sources, had they instead cursed him they would have been turned into apes and pigs.[19]

In the Islamic traditions, Muslims too were threatened with being turned into apes and pigs.

However, for Jews and Christians this punishment was a thing of the past, for Muslims it would be meted out on Judgment Day.

In his article "Apes, Pigs, and the Islamic Identity," the researcher U. Rubin indicates that the Muslims threatened with being turned into animals were not ordinary sinners, but those whose sin had a Jewish or Christian nature.

The use of a punishment connected to Jews and Christians was aimed at fighting Jewish and Christian influence in Islamic society that threatened the unique Islamic identity.

Islamic identity was supposed to be based on unity and morality; thus, any Muslims imitating Jews or Christians constituted a threat to it.

Muslim unity was threatened by Muslims who had rejected orthodox ideas and were suspected of following the Judeo-Christian example. Thus, most traditions on Muslims who were to be punished on Judgment Day by being transformed into animals related to the Qadaris. The Qadaris rejected the idea of predestination (Qadar) and their views were perceived by those who opposed them to be of Judeo-Christian origin; thus, they were stigmatized in the way highly typical for Jews and Christians by being associated with transformation into apes and pigs. Moreover, the ideas of the Qadaris were significantly widespread in the city of Basra; thus, Basra is described in the traditions as the place where such transformation was particularly likely to come about.

Danger to Muslim morality came from Muslims who adopted profane aspects of Judeo-Christian culture. Thus, eschatological transformation into apes and pigs was associated also with Muslims who committed sins such as drinking wine, playing instruments in the company of singing slave girls, and, sometimes, wearing silk; other sins were giving false testimony, usury, and homosexuality. Some of these sins were linked with Jews and Christians (usury, wine, music); others were connected with all non-Arabs (silken garments). These deeds were thought to pose a threat to Islamic identity; thus transgressors were threatened with this classical Judeo-Christian punishment.[20]

The idea of transformation into animals was also used by both of Islam's two major factions, the Sunnis and Shi'ites, in their claims against each other. According to Shi'ite tradition, the second Muslim Khalifah, Omar bin Al-Khattab, who is particularly admired by the Sunnis, wanders the earth in the form of an owl. Another Shi'ite tradition is that the murderer of the Prophet's grandson Hussein bin 'Ali, admired by the Shi'ites, was punished by being turned into a four-eyed dog. The murderer was also sentenced to desperately seek water and not be able to get to it even when he found it, because he had prevented Hussein's family from reaching a water source at the Battle of Karbala.[21]

In contrast, Sunni tradition has it that some of the Shi'ites in Al-Madina and other places were turned into apes and pigs, and that their hearts and faces would change their form at the time of their death. This is in the context of the charge that the Shi'ites greatly resemble Jews, "which should not be wondered at," as Dr. Abu Muntasir Al-Baloushi explains on a Sunni Web site,[22] "because the Jews invented the Shi'a [the Shi'ite religion] and [the Shi'a] is pervaded by [the Jews'] beliefs and principles, from the day it was created."

Chapter Three:

The Historical Roots of the Punishment
The belief that people were transformed by supernatural intervention – usually divine punishment – into animals, statues, or stars was common among the Arabs and other peoples before Islam.

In the Jewish and Christian sources (Genesis, 19:26) Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt when she violated the divine prohibition against looking back at Sodom.[23] Another familiar story from the pre-Islamic period is that of Isaf and Na'ila – two lovers who made a pilgrimage to Mecca. When they found themselves alone in the Ka'abah, they fornicated, and were immediately turned into stone. Al-Jahiz said that the shrimp was originally a dressmaker who stole thread and was turned into a threaded creature, to remind her of her crime. Al-Jahiz also said that the snake once had the form of a camel, but God punished it by forcing it to crawl on the earth. Iranian legends link some animals – bears, elephants, tortoises, vulture, crows, owls, hornets, hoopoes, apes, pigs, dogs, and lizards – with transformations that occurred after Islam began. The planet Venus was purportedly a prostitute who ascended to the heavens and became a star by virtue of her knowledge of the greatest name of Allah. In The Thousand and One Nights, people are frequently changed into animals and back again, usually by having water sprinkled on them.[24]

Various researchers have attempted to explain the origin of the punishment of transformation mentioned in the Koran.

The researcher F. Viré maintains that the Koranic punishment originates from the well-known legend mentioned in the Talmud, that some of the builders of the Tower of Babel were cursed by God and turned into apes.

He bases this story on a Talmudic tractate of Sanhedrin,[25] in which the builders who sought to reach the sky "were divided into three groups.

One said, 'Let us ascend and dwell there;' one said, 'Let us ascend and worship the stars;' and one said, 'Let us ascend and make war.'

The ones who said, 'Let us ascend and dwell there,' God dispersed.

The ones who said: 'Let us ascend and make war,' were turned into apes and ghosts and demons and evil spirits.

And the ones who said: 'Let us ascend and worship the stars,' for them God confused the languages of all the earth."[26]

Ilse Lichtenstadter explains that these verses were part of Prophet Muhammad's attempt to gain the support of the Jews of Mecca, by threatening with severe punishment if they persisted in refusing to join him.

She identifies two ancient sources for the punishment of transformation into apes mentioned in the Koran.

Apes played a role in legend or ritual in two ancient cultures.

In India, the monkey-god Hanuman was widely known, and tales about him reached the Arabian Peninsula via the spice trade between India and southern Arabia.

The ancient Egyptians had the baboon god Thoth, usually depicted as a monkey with a dog's head.

The stories of a race of people with dogs' heads, associated with the baboon, also reached Christianity.

According to a Greek legend, St. Christopher had once belonged to a race of dog-headed people, and upon his conversion to Christianity he was given the ability to speak like a human instead of barking.

He was martyred, (possibly) during the rule of the Roman Emperor Decius, in the 3rd century; his symbol is a dog's head.

The influence of Christian-Syrian culture reached the Arabian Peninsula; the legends of men with animals' heads could have reached the Prophet.

Lichtenstadter also describes the attitude towards the animals connected to the punishment.

Pigs are linked with idol-worship, as they were offered as idolatrous sacrifices; therefore the Koran prohibits eating them.

The ape is identified in ancient sources with evil, demons, and the devil; thus, those who were transformed into apes were banished from human society and thrust into the sphere of the devil.[27]

The influence of the idea of transformation into animals on the Muslim consciousness is marked throughout history.

In Spain, for example, during periods of friction between the various religious communities Muslims called Jews "apes" and Christians "pigs and dogs."

In North Africa under the Muslim Aghlabid dynasty (9th through 11th centuries), Jews were forced to wear a shoulder patch with a picture of a monkey and Christians had to wear a patch with a picture of a pig.

These images also had to be affixed to the doors of their respective homes.[28]

Furthermore, the concept of transformation influenced Islamic dietary law.

Generally speaking, Shi'ites enlarged the number of animals thought to be of human origin and forbade their consumption.

Thus, for example, the hare was also included in this list.

In contrast, the Sunnis tended to cut down the list; although there are Sunni traditions on people being transformed into animals, they are not commonly cited by Sunni jurists when they determine dietary laws.[29]


Chapter Four:

Islamic Commentary on the Transformation of the Jews into Apes and Pigs

A. The Circumstances of the Punishment
In his comprehensive treatise on the Koran, 10th century commentator Al-Tabari explains that Jews were transformed into animals because they refused to accept Friday as the day of rest. Jews, he said, like the other nations, were ordered to consider Friday their holiday "because of its virtues, and its importance in the heavens and in the eyes of the angels, and because Judgment Day would come on Friday."

The Muslims agreed to accept Friday as the most important day, while the Jews refused, claiming that Saturday was the best day, as Allah created the heavens, the earth and everything else in six days and rested on the seventh.

The Christians, too, refused to follow God's command to honor the sixth day, saying that Sunday was the best day.

Allah instructed Jesus to allow them to take Sunday as their day of rest, provided that they did so according to certain precepts; however, the Christians did not follow these precepts and their insubordination is mentioned in the Koran.

Allah also told Moses to allow the Jews to take Saturday as their day of rest, upon the condition that during it they would refrain from fishing and from all work permitted on weekdays.

However, the Jews did not meet these conditions, and therefore, they were punished.

Jews who were transformed into animals are largely identified by Koranic commentary as residents of the village of Iliya,[30] situated on the Red Sea coast.

The Koranic commentary tells the story of how Allah made great schools of fish appear on Saturday and disappear before nightfall, to test the Jews' faith and obedience to His commandments. This was too much to bear for the Jews, and they found ways of getting around the divine prohibition against fishing on Saturday.

Ibn Abbas, a cousin of the Prophet Muhammad and one of the first Koran commentators, wrote that one Jew secretly caught a fish on Saturday, tied it with a string, and threw it back into the water after tying the string to a stake in the ground. The next day, he pulled the fish in and ate it. When he saw that he was not punished, he repeated his actions on the following Saturday, and on the Saturday after that.

Eventually, the neighbors noticed the smell of the fish from his cooking, and began following his example.

For a long time they ate in secret, and Allah did not hasten to punish them, but when they began to fish openly and sell their prohibited catches in the markets, they were punished.

Al-Tabari mentions another tactic used by Jews to circumvent the prohibition. One Jew who craved fish dug a pit with a channel leading from it to the sea. On Saturday, he opened the channel so the waves would wash the fish into the pit. On Sunday, the man cooked the fish. The aroma of the cooking fish reached the neighbors, who followed his example, and it soon became common for the Jews to eat fish caught on Saturday. When the sages warned them, they claimed they were fishing on Sunday, when they removed the fish from the pit, and not on Saturday, when they opened the channel.[31]

Not all the Jews acted in the same way. The Koran commentators identify three groups in this context:

some of the Jews sinned and violated the divine precept not to fish on Saturday;

some warned the sinners of Allah's punishment and forbade them from continuing to do so.

The others held their tongues; although they did not eat the fish that the sinners caught on Saturday, they also did not forbid the sinners from sinning.[32]

In such a situation, when the sinners refused to stop sinning, those who followed the divine precept decided that they were unwilling to live in the same village with the sinners and built a wall between them.

One day, the sinners were not seen leaving their gate.

Those who observed the divine precept climbed the wall and went to check the houses, and found them locked.

When they opened the doors, they found that everyone – men, women, and children – were turned into apes.

"They locked their houses at night, when people lock themselves in, and awoke as apes."[33]

The 13th century Andalusian Koran commentator, Al-Qurtubi,[34] said that the apes identified their human relatives, approached them, smelled their clothes and cried.

The humans, in contrast, could not identify their relatives, but told them:

"'Didn't we forbid you [from violating the word of God]?'

The apes nodded their heads in assent."

According to some commentators, the young people of the village became apes while the elderly became pigs.[35]

In his doctoral dissertation "The Sons of Israel in the Koran and in the Muslim Hadith Tradition," Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi explains the Jews' transformation into apes and pigs in the Koran in another way. Tantawi devotes a chapter to the various ways in which Allah punished the sons of Israel, among them changing their form.

In explaining Koran verse 5:60, Tantawi says that the Jews asked the Prophet Muhammad what prophets he believed in.

The Prophet enumerated Abraham, Ishmail, Isaac, Jacob, the tribes [sic], Moses, and Jesus, and said that he did not differentiate between them. At the mention of Jesus, the Jews denied his prophecy, saying: "We do not believe in Jesus or anyone who believes in Him [that is, Muhammad himself], and we do not think our religion is worse than yours."

Against this backdrop, the Koran clarified the evil of the religion of the Jews, whom "Allah cursed and against whom He was wroth, and He turned some of them into apes and pigs."[36]

In his treatise The Life of Animals, the 15th century Egyptian scholar, Al-Damiri,[37] mentions another tradition linking Jews' attitude towards Jesus and the punishment meted out to them. According to this commentarial tradition, Jesus encountered a group of Jews who slandered him and his mother, saying, "Here comes the magician, son of the sorceress."

When Jesus heard them he cursed them, and then Allah turned them into pigs.[38] Al-Tabari also presents the Koranic story about Jesus' cursing Jews[39] as explanation for the punishment of turning them into apes.

In his commentary, Al-Tabari provides another explanation for why Jews were turned into pigs. He describes a woman from among the sons of Israel who believed in Allah and fought a holy war against the king of the sons of Israel "for the religion of Allah."

Three times she waged war, with people who believed in her and followed her, and three times she was defeated. Her men were wounded and killed, but she managed to escape. After the third attempt, she despaired, and called to Allah: "Had this religion a shield and a savior, You would have already revealed him."

It is said that the woman fell asleep in sadness, and that during the night Allah answered her pleas and turned the villagers into pigs.[40]

B. The Punishment in Practical Terms

Most of the commentators take the writings literally and maintain that the Jews were physically changed into apes and pigs, as explicitly stated in the Koran.

Only one Koran commentator, Mujahid,[41 cited by various other interpreters, wrote that the Jews were not physically transformed, but that change was metaphoric, as in Koranic adage about the Jews being like "an ass carrying books"[42] (62:5).

According to Mujahid, it was not their external form that was changed; rather their hearts were changed [and their souls came to resemble those of apes].

However, according to the commentators, Mujahid is alone in this view.[43]

Recently, the Hamas monthly Falastin Al-Muslima published a series of articles on how Allah punished Jews. One chapter was devoted to the punishment of transforming them into animals. The series' author, Ibrahim Al-'Ali, takes the approach of most Koran commentators, explaining that the change was actually physical.

He writes: "Allah did not mete out the punishment of transformation on any nation besides the Jews. The significance of the punishment is actual change in the image of the Jew, and the perfect transformation from a human condition to a bestial condition – an actual change from human appearance to the form of genuine apes, pigs, mice, and lizards... The transformation was actual, as it is not impossible that the omnipotent Allah, who created man in his human form, would not be capable of changing the Jew from human into animal..."

Al-'Ali cites the tradition in which the Prophet's wife 'Aisha called the Jews "the brothers of apes and pigs."

As the tradition goes, "the Jews came to the Prophet and said to him 'Poison be upon you' [which in Arabic sounds close to 'peace be upon you']. The Prophet answered, 'Poison be upon you,' and 'Aisha added, 'Poison be upon you, brothers of apes and pigs, and the curse of Allah and his wrath too be upon you.'"[44]

C. The Logic Behind the Punishment

As the 14th century Koran commentator Ibn Kathir[45] says, every deed has its appropriate recompense. He goes on to explain why Jews were punished by being transformed into apes and pigs: the Jews conspired to fish on Saturday, preparing hooks, nets, and poles ahead of time. When the schools of fish appeared near the shore on Saturday, they were caught by the nets, which the Jews had cleverly devised so that they could not escape that day. In the evening, the Jews came to collect the fish; when they did, Allah turned them into apes, which most closely resemble humans but are not really human.

The Jews' actions and subterfuges were outwardly like the truth, but in essence opposed to it – and their reward was thus suited to their deeds.[46

In a chapter of the Hamas monthly Falastin Al-Muslima that discusses the punishment of turning the Jews into animals, Jordanian researcher Dr. Sallah Al-Khaledi explains:

"Perhaps the logic of this transformation is that Allah wanted them to be humans who would live as real people and actualize their humanity in the best possible way. But when they rebelled against Allah's laws, they rejected the divine grace, and thus relinquished their humanity and honor and turned spiritually into animals. Then Allah [also] changed their form into apes, and turned them into real animals, [thus] creating a correlation between the spiritual and physical images..."

"Adherence to divine law is one of man's dignified qualities, while rebellion against divine law is the abolition of man's human qualities... Accordingly, an aggressive, oppressing and sinning man relinquishes human qualities in favor of the bestial qualities [within him], and he [becomes] an animal in his soul, in his emotions, and in his traits, even if he is human in his external form... The aggressive and rebellious Jews were apes spiritually and emotionally, in their souls, in their behavior, and in their traits. They are not part of the human race except in their external form, body, senses, and voices. Their transformation by Allah into apes created a correspondence between their real essence and their fo rm."[47]

D. Did the Jews Who Were Transformed Have Offspring?

Another issue on which the Koran commentators and authors of the Adab prose literature focused was whether the Jews who were changed into animals had offspring.

Al-Qurtubi explains that two approaches developed among clerics on this matter. According to the first, all apes today are the offspring of the sons of Israel. This was also the view of Ibn Qutaiba,[48] the important ninth-century scholar and author of famous Adab works, who thought that apes who were originally Jews do reproduce.[49]

According to the second approach, the apes who used to be Jews left no offspring. Therefore, today's apes, pigs, and other animals are the offspring of animals in existence before the divine punishment. Ibn Abbas, for example, maintained that anyone whose form was changed lived for no more than three days and did not eat, drink, or propagate.

Those who believe that today's animals are the offspring of the sons of Israel base their belief on some reliable traditions from the Prophet Muhammad, in which he warned against eating particular animals out of fear that they were originally the sons of Israel.

In the tradition in the reliable compilations of Muslim and Al-Bukhari, the following is attributed to the Prophet Muhammad:

"A group of the sons of Israel, and it is not known what they did, was lost, and I fear that they are mice. Don't you see that when mice are given camel's milk they don't drink it, and when they are given sheep's milk they drink it?"

As the 13th century Hadith commentator Al-Nawawi[50] explains,

"The flesh and milk of camels are forbidden to the sons of Israel, while the flesh and milk of sheep are not. Therefore, the mice's refraining from drinking camel's milk and their not refraining from drinking sheep's milk proves that they are the sons of Israel in animal form."[51]

Al-Qurtubi also mentions the tradition in Muslim's compilation, according to which a lizard was brought to the Prophet but he refused to eat it, saying,

"Perhaps it is of the [people] of the generations whose form was changed."

In Falastin Al-Muslima, Ibrahim Al-'Ali also cites traditions in which the Prophet is wary of eating lizards. According to one of the traditions, for example, in the compilation of traditions accepted as reliable by the ninth-century sage Abu Daoud,[52] people in the company of the Prophet caught lizards, roasted them and ate them. One of the roasted lizards was offered to the Prophet, who took a palm frond and with it counted the fingers of the lizard [which looked like a human hand], saying:

"A group from among the sons of Israel turned into reptiles, and I do not know, perhaps the [lizard] is of this group."

In the tradition appearing in Muslim's compilation, the Prophet was firmer about the origin of lizards. It is said that a Bedouin entreated the Prophet to clarify his position on eating lizards, and the Prophet said:

"Allah was angry at one of the tribes of the sons of Israel and turned them into reptiles crawling on the earth. I think that these are them [the lizards]; I don't eat them and I don't prohibit it."

Al-Qurtubi notes that the 12th century Andalusian judge Ibn Al-Arabi[53] adopted the approach that today's animals are the offspring of the sons of Israel, and mentions another tradition underpinning Ibn Al-Arabi's opinion.

Some of the versions of Al-Bukhari's compilation of traditions mention the words of Amer bin Maimoun[54]:

"During the Jahiliya [pre-Islamic period] I saw a female ape who had committed adultery, and [apes around her] stoning her and I joined them and stoned her too."

In Ibn Al-Arabi's view, the animals passed the knowledge of the religious laws [including the law about stoning adulterers] from generation to generation, down to the time of bin Maimoun. He adds that the Jews changed the [law] of stoning and Allah wanted them to uphold it while they were in a different form [i.e. apes].[55]

The Prophet's fear, in various traditions, that mice, lizards and other animals are humans who were transformed, is explained by Al-Qurtubi: This was a hypothesis raised by the Prophet before he received the divine inspiration that made it clear to him that Allah did not give offspring to such humans in changed form. After he got this inspiration, he was no longer fearful, and stated:

"Allah did not destroy people or torment them [and at the same time] give them offspring. The apes and the pigs [we see today] existed before."

According to Al-Qurtubi, this tradition is most reliable, and it appears in Muslim's compilation of traditions. He adds that the tradition about eating lizards in the Prophet's presence and at his table without [the Prophet's] condemnation proves that they are not the offspring of the sons of Israel.[56]

Like Al-Qurtubi, Ibrahim Al-'Ali prefers the approach according to which Jews punished by transformation to animals had no offspring. In Falastin Al-Muslima, he writes that Jews who were turned into apes, pigs, lizards, and mice were also punished by not being able to reproduce.

"They existed in the world for as long as Allah wanted, and then he made them extinct without their leaving offspring. Remaining [in the world] were the apes, pigs, and other animals which had existed before [the divine punishment]... and it is they who propagated and left offspring..."

But, Al-'Ali goes on to explain, "the extinction of Jews punished with transformation does not mean that their punishment had ended. The punishment left its impression in the souls of the Jews who came after them: their spirit, their opinions, their feelings, and their ways of thought – which are reflected in face and external appearance – became like their nature and like the appearance of apes and pigs, and this profoundly affected their ways of behavior."

In Falastin Al-Muslima, Ibrahim Al-'Ali presents "scientific" proof for the claim that Jews were punished in this way by Allah. He states that Jews invented the theory of evolution in order to rid themselves of the shame of the ancient punishment:

"... Since Jews felt disgrace and shame because of this special punishment, that changed them into the brothers of apes and pigs, they attempted to dispel this accusation from themselves, with the help of the satanic thought that guided them in despising the entire human race by saying that [man's] origin was in animals, and that it developed over time from an ape to human form, by means of the theory... of the Jewish ape Darwin."[57]

Conclusion

Associating Jews with apes, pigs, and other animals, which is widespread in the Arab and Muslim world among both Shi'ites and Sunnis, is firmly grounded in the most important Islamic religious sources, and also has roots in the folklore of other, ancient peoples.

This idea has been used not only in religious writings but also in prose and fiction, both in the past and today.

*Aluma Solnick is a Research Associate with MEMRI.


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[1] www.palestine-info/arabic/palestoday/readers/mashhoor/22_4_01.htm.

[2] http://www.alraialaam.com/20-04-2002/ie5/frontpage.htm#03.
www.palestine-info.info/arabic/palestoday/dailynews/2002/apr02/20_4/detail1.htm.

[3] www.alminbar.cc/alkhutab/khutbaa.asp?mediaURL=5544, April 19, 2002.

[4] www.alminbar.cc/alkhutab/khutbaa.asp?mediaURL=4331, Undated.

[5] Palestine Television, Palestinian Authority, August 3, 2001.

[6] www.nasrollah.org/arabic/hassan/khitabat/khitabat08.htm.

[7] see www.iqraatv.com.

[8] Iqraa Television, Saudi Arabia/Egypt, May 7, 2002.

[9] From official transcript, Al-Jazeera TV, Qatar, May 15, 2001.

[10] Al-Ahrar (Egypt), May 30, 2000.

[11] The Arab term for this kind of physical transformation is maskh, meaning "change of external form to a more abhorrent form." See Lissan Al-Arab, "Maskh."

[12] Muslim bin Al-Hajjaj (died 875) and Muhammad bin Isma'il Al-Bukhari (died 870).

[13] According to Koran commentators, this is a reference to the punishment of transformation into apes banished [from the divine] good, humiliated and despised.

[14] Elsewhere, the Koran speaks in general of the transformation of the infidels (non-Muslims): "If we so will, we may change them (la masakhnhum) where they are…" (36:67) It should be noted that this is the only place in the Koran where the term maskh is used, and that this term refers to a change in form that takes place on Judgment Day. This concept was not always linked to the idea of punishment by transformation into apes and pigs. The first Koran commentators were divided regarding the maskh awaiting sinners, offering a number of possibilities such as transformation into stones, laming, or crippling in the legs and arms. In the Hadith literature, too, there is a tradition depicting an eschatological maskh with no mention of apes and pigs. Most of the traditions concerning future maskh describe a threefold catastrophe heralding Judgment Day: the earth will split open and swallow the sinners (hasf), [rocks] will be thrown [from the sky] (qadhf), and there will be transformation into a lower life form (maskh). Sometimes there are also mentions of an earthquake (rajf) in this context. An examination of the historical background of the appearance of these traditions shows that they emerged during the civil wars among the Muslims in the Umayyad period. The great distress of that time cultivated a sense of impending apocalypse, which in turn gave rise to traditions that anticipated the end of the world and Judgment Day. See Uri Rubin, "Apes, Pigs, and the Islamic Identity," Israel Oriental Studies XVII (1997), pp. 89-93.

[15] Omar bin Bahar Al-Jahiz (died 869).

[16] Al-Jahiz, Omar bin Bahar, Kitab Al-Hayawan.

[17] Muhammad bin Jarir Al-Tabari, died 923.

[18] Al-Tabari, 5:115. Other sources tell that an Israelite tribe that manifested undue skepticism when the miracle of the table was vouch-saved to Jesus, was turned into lizards. See: M. Cook, "Early Islamic dietary law," in Jerusalem Studies in Arabic and Islam (JSAI) 7(1986), 223.

[19] A tradition mentioned, for example, in the book by Fakhr Al-Din bin Muhammad Al-Tarihi (died 1087) Majma' Al-Bahrain. See www.islam4u.com/almojib/4/0/4.0.2.htm

[20] Uri Rubin, "Apes, Pigs, and the Islamic Identity," pp. 93-102 It should be noted that even today, Islamic preachers deter their congregations from transgressions such as drinking wine, singing and playing music with Hadiths threatening the sinners' that they will be transformed into apes and pigs. Sermons of this kind are not as common as sermons mentioning Jews as the offspring of these animals, but are more common than sermons referring to Christians in this context. See for example the sermon of the Sudanese preacher Muhammad Abd Al-Karim on singing, www.alminbar.net/alkhutab/khutbaa.asp?mediaURL=3124

[21] At the battle of Karbala (680), the grandson of the Prophet and his men were murdered. This gave the Shi'ite movement its aura of martyrdom. The tradition of the four-eyed dog is taken from "Maskh," Encyclopedia of Islam, Second Edition, 737.

[22] See the Web site of the Iranian Sunni League: www.isl.org.uk/article.php?sid=11.

[23] It is interesting that the case of Lot's wife's transformation is not mentioned in the Koran's version of the story of Lot (Koran 11:81).

[24] See Ch. Pellat, "Maskh," Encyclopedia of Islam, Second Edition, 736-738

[25] Sandedrin tractate, 11:109a.

[26] See F. Viré, "Kird," Encyclopedia of Islam, Second Edition.

[27] Ilse Lichtenstadter, "And become ye accursed apes," in Jerusalem Studies in Arabic and Islam (JSAI), 14 (1991), pp. 162-175.

[28] F. Viré, "Kird," Encyclopedia of Islam, Second Edition.

[29] M. Cook. "Early Islamic dietary law," JSAI 7(1986), 223-233.

[30] Ibn Kathir (7:166) explains that Iliya is situated on the coast between Egypt and Al-Madina. According to Al-Damiri, Iliya is between Midian and Al-Tur. Other places identified in the commentary with "the village on the coast" are "Median" situated between Iliya and Al-Tur (see Al-Tabari 2:65, Ibn Kathir 2:65 or Tiberias.

[31] Ilse Lichtenstadter identifies two Jewish folklore motifs that apparently influenced Al-Tabari's explanation of the punishment. One is the legend of the Leviathan and the Sambation River: In the Torah, God uses the Leviathan to defeat the enemies of his people, and in the Talmud, the Baba Batra tractate (746) tells how the Leviathan was slaughtered by God for food for the righteous in the Hereafter. With regard to the Sambation River, it is told that it is a river full of sand and rocks that rushes and surges during the week but is quiet on Saturday. According to another version, the river is quiet during the week and rises on Saturday. It would seem that it is the version in which the river rises on Saturday which underpins Al-Tabari's commentary, because the schools of fish arrived on Saturday but not during the week. See Ilse Lichtenstadter, "And become ye accursed apes," in JSAI, 14(1991), pp. 159-161.

[32] Two commentator positions emerged on the matter of what happened to the Jews who neither fished nor prevented the others from fishing. According to one view, only the actual sinners were changed into animals, and they were then destroyed; the other two groups that did not sin, whether actively or passively, were not. According to the second view, only those who explicitly spoke out against and forbade the sin were saved, and those who remained passive were also transformed. See, for example, 7:166.

[33] Al-Tabari 2:65, Ibn Kathir 2:65.

[34] Ibn Farrah Al-Qurtubi (b. 1273).

[35] Al-Qurtubi 2:65.

[36] Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, "The Sons of Israel in the Koran and Muslim tradition," Cairo: Dar Al-Shurouq, Second Edition (2000), pp. 695-697.

[37] Kamal Al-Din Al-Damiri (b. 1405).

[38] Al-Damiri, Kamal Al-Din, Hayat Al-Hayawan, Vol. I, 386.

[39] According to Al-Tabari's commentary on 5:78: "Those of the children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by David and by Jesus, son of Mary; that was because they disobeyed and were given to transgression..." See Al-Tabari 2:65.

[40] Al-Tabari 5:60.

[41] Mujahid bin Jaber Al-Maki (died circa 718-722).

[42] "The case of those who were made subject to the Law of the Torah, but did not carry out their obligations under it, is like that of a donkey carrying a load of books. Evil is the case of the people who reject the Signs of Allah, and Allah guides not the wrongdoing people." (62:5).

[43] Al-Tabari, 2:65, Ibn Kathir, 2:65, Al-Qurtubi 2:65.

[44] Falastin Al-Muslima (London), September 1996, pp. 54-55.

[45] Isma'il bin Amer Ibn Kathir (died 1373).

[46] Ibn Kathir, 2:65.

[47] Falastin Al-Muslima (London), September 1996, pp. 54-55.

[48] Muhammad bin Abdallah Ibn Qutaiba (b. 889).

[49] "Maskh," Encyclopedia of Islam, Second Edition , 737.

[50] Yahyah Al-Nawawi (b. 1277).

[51] This interpretation appears in Ibrahim Al-'Ali's article in Falestin Al-Muslima, September 1996, pp. 54-55.

[52] Abu Daoud Al-Sijistani (b. 889).

[53] Abu Bakr Ibn Al-Arabi (b. 1148).

[54] One of the important men of the second generation of supporters of the Prophet in the city of Kufa.

[55]Al-Qurtubi expresses reservations about this tradition, claiming that perhaps it "is one of the things that was attributed forcibly to Al-Bukhari." He says that some scholars doubt that anyone not obligated by the religious precepts can commit adultery [that is, apes], and thus God's punishments apply also to animals. He adds that "If this is true, [and the female ape was stoned by the other apes], she was from among the demons [jinn], because the ritual precepts apply to man and Jinn alone."

[56] Al-Qurtubi, 2:65.

[57] Falastin Al-Muslima (London), September 1996, pp. 54-55.

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:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/26/05:

Good job Ronnie, but I still think that some do not understand the errors of the earlier translations and the true meanings, even though you did a very extensive research and explanation. Be in peace. :)

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freethinker asked on 01/26/05 - Ronnies' show of dullness in posting on "Apes and Pigs"

Ronnie / Saladin should be ashamed posting this extremist islamic rubbish and nonsense here on the board.
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The islamic post is similar to watching christians" infighting over being the one and only "true" christians.
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Mor(m)ons who flipper around with the bible, to suit their own bastard "version".
Jehova's who look at other christians as a new subspecies.
Dutch Reformed who still like (or at least think) to be in the 17' or 18' century.
Catholics who claim the single right to the christian faith, but who fail to protect our one and only earth against the explosion of human species.
And another 2 to 3 thousand of different denominations who all claim to be "god's" one-and-only "pets".
It's one long charade of incompetence, unbelief, egoboasting, and self conceit.
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And one of that crowd posts this rubbish from the extremist muslim corner (where another set of tribal religious zealots precide) in some gleeful smile of "see them, we're better, Hallelujah!".
Silly, silly christians.
And dumb, dumb Ronny
And blocking me does not prevent me from speaking my mind, Ronny!
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jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/26/05:

John, you can speak your mind all you want. No one can stop you. But to attack Ronnie, for clarifying something that a lot of people on this board might not know, and to show how misinterpretations can and do occur, is neither shameful,dumb nor silly.

As far as the different denominations of Christians are concerned, that was rude, and not at all on par with one who should not care about who believes in what. I have not seen anyone treat anyone else as a subhuman species, nor made fun of anyone who thinks differently than I do. Yes, there are debates, but they pass and we go on to different topics.

Ronnie happens to be one of the most enlightened Experts on this board, and I feel that you owe him an apology for saying the things you did. You also should apologize to every Christian and those of different beliefs on the board for spewing something that, as an Atheist, you should not even think about. You cannot take belief away from someone who does believe. However, you can accept all the people here with respect and kindness. Your first post was a question and everyone tried to answer it. You debated your point of view, and that was fine. But this direct slam towards Ronnie, was not necessary and neither were the statements you made about Christians. Be in peace, and if you enjoy this board, why not participate but in a manner that is acceptable to all who are here. :)

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freethinker asked on 01/24/05 - On BELIEF in God

THESIS : If God's existence could be proven, all BELIEF in God will cease to exist as a consequence.
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Explanation :
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To BELIEVE means to accept a hypothesis without demanding any supporting evidence.
Now, if God's existence could be confirmed by supporting evidence, the hypothesis of God's existence would become reality.
Reality you can only accept, and as a consequence you could no longer BELIEVE in God, because you can not BELIEVE in reality.
You can only BELIEVE that what has not been proven to be correct.
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What do you think would the proof of God's existence do to religion?
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jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/25/05:

John, if there were to be proof of God's existance than the belief, as you state, would become a total acceptance, as is the belief to the believer. I don't think that it would do anything to religion, except maybe some would say "I told you so." Be well. :)

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HANK1 asked on 01/24/05 - AS MODERATOR FOR JAN. 24TH:

Some 14 questions were posted on 1/24/05. I saw no abuse. In fact, it was quite a solemn day, thanks to some fine questions, answers, clarifications and comments. I feel that all of you take pride in your accomplishments. You have my RESPECT for the achievements performed today. All people are important individuals. I think most of us realize this by now.

"Thousands of years of literature talk about the benefits of cultivating gratefulness as a virtue," says University of California/Davis psychology professor Robert Emmons. Throughout history, philosophers and religious leaders have extolled gratitude as a virtue integral to health and well-being. So much of gratitude is about one's perspective and framework for looking at the world and at oneself. So remember, guys, people who tend to be more mindful of the benefits they've received from our own knowledge tend to focus their attention outward. Never sink into despair! Perhaps perfect relationships have people supporting one another even when times are bad. All such relationships are grounded in love.

It's now 12:01 a.m. 1/25/05. Thanks for a good day ... and night!

HANK



jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/25/05:

Job well done Hank. I still think that moderators are really not needed. I think that each one on the board can monitor him/her self better than anyone assigned the task. Thanks for your kind comments. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/24/05 - Drink Offering ...


There are many references to the Drink offering in to OT.

Genesis 35:14
Exodus 29:40-41
Exodus 30:9
Leviticus 23:13
Leviticus 23:18
Leviticus 23:37
Numbers 6:15, 17
Numbers 15:5, 7, 10
Numbers 15:24
Numbers 28:7-10
Numbers 28:14-15
Numbers 28:24, 31
Numbers 29:6, 11, 16, 18, 19, 21, 22, 24, 25, 27, 29, 30, 31, 33, 34, 37, 38
2 Kings 16:13, 15
2 Chronicles 29:35
Isaiah 57:6
Isaiah 65:11
Ezekiel 20:28
Ezekiel 45:17
Joel 1:9, 14.

Have I missed any?

:)




jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/25/05:

Jeremiah chapter 44 17-19,25. Great list Ronnie. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/24/05 - What am I? .......



"Fame, love, and fortune on my footsteps wait,
Cities and fields I walk; I penetrate
Deserts and seas remote, and, passing by
Hovel, and mart, and palace, soon or late
I knock unbidden once at every gate!
If sleeping, wake—if feasting, rise before
I turn away. It is the hour of fate,
And they who follow me reach every state
Mortals desire, and conquer every foe
Save death; but those who doubt or hesitate,
Condemned to failure, penury and woe,
Seek me in vain and uselessly implore—
I answer not, and I return no more."



What am I?


jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/24/05:

I really enjoy this one.

Master of human destinies am I.

John James Ingalls poem Opportunity has been my favorite since I was a wee lad. Thanks for the memory. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/24/05 - Onward Christian Soldiers?

If you thought it would help to spread Christianity, would you hijack an airliner and fly it into a skyscraper in Teheran?

:)

Ronnie - The Questor

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/24/05:

I could never premeditate any form of killing. Not as a Christian, or if I were any other religion. I do not believe in spreading the word of a god that would require me to do that. The war in Iraq has killed thousands of innocent people, was that to spread the word of Christianity? If it was, then I am not a Christian. Killing is killing and it is against all that I believe in. I think that you have to live through it to understand how terrible any inhumane action against another being is. So, my answer would be a vehement NO! :)

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Saladin asked on 01/24/05 - A Hard Question ...


Let us say, for example, that an eleven year old girl is pregnant through rape.

Would you agree to her having an abortion?

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/24/05:

I would not hesitate. The poor girl already went through a terrible trauma because of the rape. To have her, at eleven, go through delivering a baby, I think would be something that would be detrimental to her well being. She is a child, and children are not built to have children.

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excon asked on 01/24/05 - Aids


Hello experts:

This is what lizz22 said:

>>>... in the 70s Aids was just breaking out, I could had been one of them, but thanks to Gods words, I am not. At least with Cancer you have sympathy.<<<

What exactly is she saying? Does that mean she/you doesn't have sympathy for people with aids? Her church doesn't? Her social group doesn't?

Do you think aids is Gods punishment for being gay? If you don't, what do you do about it? Do you say nothing when you hear stuff like that?

excon

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/24/05:

I don't know what Liz22 meant in her post. But I can say what I believe. No illness can be blamed on God. I know people who have AIDS, and they are no different from you or I. The only difference is that they are ill. Be it cancer or any other illness, God did not punish anyone for anything. At least not my God who is my Creator. Unfortunately, society seems to think that having AIDS is something sinister and the person is responsible for giving it to himself/herself. I find that ridiculous, but to argue with someone who does not understand or has a different opinion is fruitless. So, I keep my thoughts to myself with people who I know will not listen to facts nor reason, and talk about how one can be helped who suffers from this dreadful illness with the ones who are more open minded and educated on the subject.

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arcura asked on 01/23/05 - For your information....This may be of help.

It is amazing what all is available on this site.
Take a look...

http://www.firstgov.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive.shtml#vgn-boards-commissions-and-committees-vgn

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/24/05:

Very informative. Thanks. I have bookmarked it. Be in peace. :)

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bal317 asked on 01/23/05 - Can we agree?

Hello: In a couple of responses I have received, people feel they have asked a poor question and won't ask again.
I feel like we as people get confused and want some sort of answer to our questions, even tho many will think, wow they didn't know this or that.
To me, there is no poor or "dumb" questions, it's just many of us have been more advantaged to of experienced certain area's than other's, but we should respond as best we can to other's so they can at least get view points in order to help them out.
Thank you all for being wonderful to me, cause there are several area's I need help in that I fall on your advice in helping me understand and it's all been so helpful.
bal317

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/23/05:

All questions are good. If we don't ask and are willing to accept someone else's point of view, how can we learn, not only knowledge wise, but what our fellow board members feel and know? I do not see any question as being a "poor" question, unless it is meant to belittle and instigate, then of course, that is not acceptable. Otherwise, the only questions that are "poor" in my opinion, are the ones that are not asked. :)

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Liz22 asked on 01/23/05 - Are We Ignoring Gods Law

Why is it we do not allow ourselves to follow all the scriptures, the one I have in mind is of taking in blood products, I know there will be many excuses, of why we do, one reason, we are afraid if we do not consume blood we will die, than where does the scripture lay, that the Lord Jesus once said'

"He that looses his life for my sake has everlasting life. He that saves his soul for his sake will loose it"

We believe that if we take blood we will live, if we don't and go by Gods Law- we than will die.

I once proved the Doctors wrong in 1975 when they said' "I would die if I didn't have a C section and take blood" This was with my first born, something in side of me told me not to, perhaps it was Gods word, and I am sure happy today, for back in the 70s AIDs was just breaking out, I could had been one of them, but thanks to Gods words, I am not. At least with Cancer you have sympathy.


Although, I am not a Jehovah's Witness I can see plainly why this commandment and law was made for our sakes.
The sins of others are in their blood, as of homosexuals, and of loose conduct Hepatitis C mostly from needles and also of heavy drinking bring about the diseases in their blood.
The same as smoking can harm your body, you are not swallowing or eating it, but you are consuming it.

Taking Of Blood?
To eat means to consume means to put away, to take in our bodies. To eat.
If one should jump off a building than one should expect the consistence of death.

Leviticus 17 11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. 12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourned among you eat blood. 13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust. 14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off."

Thank you.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/23/05:

I am a vegetarian but it has no religious undertones. I do not like meat because I love animals. That does not mean that I do not love my wife because she eats meat and also loves animals. Each of us has a choice. However, as far as life saving transfusions are concerned, I do not believe that God our Creator would be against anyone being healed. That is where one must distinguish what is truly meant in scripture and not take it to extreme. You also have to consider the times of when they were written and the advances of today. Just look at darkstar's answer and reread the scriptures again.
Be in peace. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/23/05 - "What's in a name .... "


If someone called you a 'Pharisee,' would you feel complimented or not?

:)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/23/05:

I would not object if someone called me a Pharisee. If I remember correctly that during the time of Christ, the word Pharisee did not at all have the meaning that it has today. Among the Hebrews the Pharisees were the most devout, upstanding, law-abiding and respected models of righteousness. :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 01/23/05 - Language

I was given a first warning. I would like to know for what?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/23/05:

So far, it is just done as a test, in case a moderator is assigned by the administration. I think that it was for the words and symbols that you posted. But so far it is just a "pretend" thing, so not to worry. :)

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Choux asked on 01/22/05 - Fundamentalism Laughingstock

Since the story broke about SpongeBob Square Pants, Dr Dodson and his organization and followers have become the laughingstock of America for putting this non-sense out into the media.

I say that if people who are fundamentalists can grasp and believe the idea that a sponge cartoon who lives at the bottom of the sea is a *HOMOSEXUAL*, then, they are ready for more sophisticated spiritual ideas and ready to move to a higher level of *Christian understanding* instead of devoting themselves promoting idiocy!!!

Do you agree?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/23/05:

I do not care what who says what about Spongebob. I received a Spongebob square hat from my grandchildren and I wear it with pride! :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 01/22/05 - What is excepted and what is not?

Here are words:

Suck, Crap, Gay, Fag, Whacker, Dick, Ass, Shit?

Here are some sentences?

Why do you talk like that? You suck in this, and you suck in that. Your a stupid idiot. So on and so on.

These are just some examples of things that are said here.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/23/05:

None are acceptable, unless used in the context in which Aton described. However, as in life, it is here, that expressive language of the moment is used. A heated discussion can provoke one to say something that should not be said. Nevertheless, there are at least two words that, since I have been here, I have never seen. Wonder why you asked the question? :)

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CeeBee2 asked on 01/22/05 - Ritual. What are the advantages of having rituals?

What are the disadvantages?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/22/05:

I have to agree with Ronnie. Especially that the rituals continue, but the reasons fade away. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/22/05 - Taiwan



In his address on the 20th, Mr. Bush said that it is now

"the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world."

Lest his intentions be interpreted as military adventurism, the president cautioned:

"This is not primarily the task of arms, though we will defend ourselves and our friends by force of arms when necessary.

"Our goal instead is to help others find their own voice, attain their own freedom and make their own way," he said.

He promised that

"all who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know: The United States will not ignore your oppression or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for your liberty, we will stand with you."

What will he do when China finally invades Taiwan?

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/22/05:

All I know is that China is not Iraq, so he will have to walk a slow walk. However,looks as if Iran is almost a done deal. I hate war. Wish that at least in my lifetime I will live in a world that is filled with love and peace. But, the reality is, dream on old man, dream on. :(

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STONY asked on 01/22/05 - TO ALL CONCERNED ABOUT MY HEALTH...

I HAVE A DR. APP'T ON 1/31 TO ESTABLISH A NEW MEDICAID DR ASSIGNED TO ME. AFTER THAT I CAN GET A SURGERY SCHEDUALED TO TRY TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM.
I'M CERTAINLY GLAD THIS IS NOT AT PRESENT A LIFE THREATENING ORDEAL, BECAUSE UNTIL I GET ESTABLISHED WITH A NEW DR., MEDICAID HAS REFUSED TO PAY FOR ANY SURGICAL PROCEEDURES. I MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER IN THE NEXT ELECTION IF MY HEALTH NEEDS ARE TO BE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF JEB BUSH OUR ILLUSTRIOUS GOVERNOR HERE IN FLORIDA.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/22/05:

Glad to hear that you will have the surgery, but am sorry about the financial status. Maybe in the next election, things will ease up. All the best for your speedy recovery. Be in peace. :)

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Geedubya84 asked on 01/22/05 - Inaugaration

Did you like my speech?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/22/05:

I was with Aton at the same rally. Man, it was freezing cold! :)

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HANK1 asked on 01/21/05 - DEFINITION OF A MODERATOR:




Alleviator, anchorman, anodyne, arbiter, arbitrator, assuager, balm, bencher, calmative, chair, chairman, conciliator, coordinator, critic, cushion, dolorifuge, emcee, his honor, his lordship, his worship, impartial arbitrator, indicator, JP, judge, Justice, lenitive, magistrate, master of ceremonies, MC, mediator, mitigator, modulator, mollifier, negotiator, pacificator, pacifier, palliative, peacemaker, president, presiding officer, referee, restraining hand, salve, sedative, shock absorber, soother, soothing syrup, stabilizer, temperer, third party, toastmaster, tranquilizer, umpire, unbiased observer, wiser head.

Source: hyperdictionary

I like SHOCK ABSORBER! What's your pick?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/21/05:

I like the impartial arbitrator. Your Shock Absorber will probably be the most likely choice though. :)

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ethical_reason asked on 01/21/05 - in case clarification is needed

I'm no moderator

I (and anyone else who does this) am just pretending to be one to show everyone here what I would do if I was one. It's like a try out, and it's a game.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/21/05:

I think that you are doing a good job. You were fair on one question. Even though I think that the board should stay as is, it is nice to see that two people have been objective so far. As you said, it is a game, and let us see what the owners of the site will do. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/21/05 - Christianity and God!

There are cultures and people who around the world have never heard of Jesus, Has never heard of the Christian God. Many religions teach that if you do not know Jesus and except Jesus there is no room for you in paradise. What do you think and feel about this belief?

I personally feel that it is unfair. A God who created all of mankind. Why would he damn people to death who have no idea of Jesus, or no belief because of the culture they were brought up. I believe they will still be excepted back in Gods home at their end of life.

Thank you for all your responses.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/21/05:

We all return to God our Creator. :)

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revdauphinee asked on 01/21/05 - Presidential Advice


One night, G.W. Bush was awakened by George Washington's ghost. Bush saw him and asked, "George, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?"

"Set an honest and honorable example, just as I did," advised George.

The next night, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson moved through the dark bedroom.

"Tom, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?" Bush asked.

"Cut taxes and reduce the size of government," advised Tom.

Bush didn't sleep well the next night, and saw yet another figure moving

in the shadows. It was Abraham Lincoln's ghost.

"Abe, what is the best thing I could do for the country?" Bush asked.

"Go to the theater," replied Abe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/21/05:

Wonder what theater he would attend? Every time I hear this I cannot contain a laugh. Thanks. :)

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Krewton asked on 01/20/05 - Time to go

it's been real, and it's been fun, just not real fun. I have had enough of this silliness all the way around. I only come here to aggravate. I gave up asking Christian questions long ago. This forum is now only a dark hole that occupies way too much of my time. Anyone wishing to converse with me privately. I'll be at billgunn38@yahoo.com. You can come out of hiding now Aton. I'm gooooooonnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C-Ya!!!!!

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/21/05:

If you find this site silly, and you only come to aggravate, then I think that your stay here is no longer necessary. Have a great life. Oh, and I have not seen Aton hiding, he might have gotten your hide, but he never hid. :)

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ethical_reason asked on 01/20/05 - OK, it's 15 minutes until my day as moderator

Not that I have time to be around all day. But I wanted to make it clear what this means. As Saladin pointed out that a moderator without power is stupid (or something like that).

The thing is that I'm not actually a moderator and neither is anyone else. That's obvious enough right?

So that means I'm just showing people what I would do if I were a moderator. I'd indicate when I would delete something. Warn people. Etc...

Everyone else playing this game should think of it the same way obviously.

Anyhow see you tomorrow

p.s.
For the sake of ease, I'll "moderate" anything with the ൉/21/05" stamp on it, from my time zone, and nothing else. Also if I say something and don't preface it with "moderator:” then it's just me talking as me and not as a moderator.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/21/05:

Hope you enjoy the day. :)

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ROLCAM asked on 01/21/05 - One out of the blue !!

If Jesus had never been born, what religion would we be today ?

Can anybody hazard a guess?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/21/05:

Probably Hebrew. :)

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Pete_Hanysz asked on 01/19/05 - King Kong Vs Godzilla

I know it all comes down to ego, but please abandon the contest before we lose two of the most infuriating, entertaining experts on the board.

Pete

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/19/05:

What channel will this be on? Oh, wait, have to put on the telly, pull up my chair, get the popcorn, and since you Brits make better butter, you bring it and we can watch together. :)
I'll root for King Kong. :)

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powderpuff asked on 01/19/05 - Proselytizing during relief efforts

What do you think? Good idea or bad idea? I tend to think that using the opportunity of disaster to gain converts is a bad idea, possibly even offensive to those who are already suffering.

I found this article today at DenverPost.com:

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~11676~2657661,00.html

"Many evangelical Christian groups, which put a stronger emphasis on winning new converts, believe relief can be packaged with religion as long as immediate needs are addressed first. After all, they say, this is when people are asking life's deepest questions.

That logic motivated Colorado Springs-based Focus on the Family to include excerpts from a book written by Dobson, founder of the influential media ministry, in 300,000 survival packets bound for the region."


I tend to think that by giving charitable relief, it would be possible to gain the interest of those getting the relief without the risk of offending them or causing them more pain or confusion.


I'm just curious what you think about it any why.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/19/05:

I don't condone proselytizing when someone has been subjected to a terrible disaster of any kind, where lives, homes, ones own existence is in jeopardy. There is a place and time for everything, and this is not the place nor the time for anyone to promote their agenda in anyway but in the loving giving and caring for others. This should be an unconditional way of helping those that are in dire need.

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/18/05 - Please Read!

Subject: FW: Speedster
>
>
>
> Subject: Read This Slowly
> Jack took a long look at his speedometer before slowing down: 73 in a 55
>zone. Fourth time in as many months. How could a guy get caught so often?
>
> When his car had slowed to 10 miles an hour, Jack pulled over, but only
>partially. Let the cop worry about the potential traffic hazard. Maybe some
>other car will tweak his backside with a mirror. The cop was stepping out
>of his car, the big pad in hand.
>
> Bob? Bob from Church? Jack sunk farther into his trench coat. This was
>worse than the coming ticket. A cop catching a guy from his own church. A
>guy who happened to be a little eager to get home after a long day at the
>office. A guy he was about to play golf with tomorrow.
>
> Jumping out of the car, he approached a man he saw every Sunday, a man
>he'd never seen in uniform.
>
> "Hi, Bob. Fancy meeting you like this."
>
> "Hello, Jack." No smile.
>
> "Guess you caught me red-handed in a rush to see my wife and kids."
>
> "Yeah, I guess." Bob seemed uncertain. Good.
> "I've seen some long days at the office lately. I'm afraid I bent the
>rules a bit -just this once."
>
> Jack toed at a pebble on the pavement. "Diane said something about roast
>beef and potatoes tonight. Know what I mean?" "I know what you mean. I also
>know that you have a reputation in our precinct ." Ouch. This was not going
>in the right direction. Time to change tactics.
>
> "What'd you clock me at?"
>
> "Seventy. Would you sit back in your car please?"
>
> "Now wait a minute here, Bob. I checked as soon as saw you. I was barely
>nudging 65." The lie seemed to come easier with every ticket.
>
> "Please, Jack, in the car."
>
> Flustered, Jack hunched himself through the still-open door. Slamming it
>shut, he stared at the dashboard. He was in no rush to open the window.
>
> The minutes ticked by. Bob scribbled away on the pad.
>
> Why hadn't he asked for a driver's license?
>
> Whatever the reason, it would be a month of Sundays before Jack ever sat
>near this cop again. A tap on the door jerked his head to the left. There
>was Bob, a folded paper in hand Jack rolled down the window a mere two
>inches, just enough room for Bob to pass him the slip.
>
> "Thanks." Jack could not quite keep the sneer out of his voice.
>
> Bob returned to his police car without a word. Jack watched his retreat
>in the mirror. Jack unfolded the sheet of paper. How much was this one
>going to cost?
>
> Wait a minute. What was this? Some kind of joke?
>
> Certainly not a ticket Jack began to read:
>
> "Dear Jack, Once upon a time I had a daughter. She was six when killed
>by a car. You guessed it- a speeding driver. A fine and three months in
>jail, and the man was free. Free to hug his daughters, all three of them. I
>only had one, and I'm going to have to wait until Heaven before I can ever
>hug her again.
>
> A thousand times I've tried to forgive that man. A thousand times I
>thought I had. Maybe I did, but I need to do it again. Even now. Pray for
>me. And be careful, Jack, my son is all I have left."
>
> "Bob"
>
> Jack turned around in time to see Bob's car pull away and head down the
>road. Jack watched until it disappeared. A full 15 minutes later, he too,
>pulled away and drove slowly home, praying for forgiveness and hugging a
>surprised wife and kids when he arrived.
>
> Life is precious. Handle with care. This is an important message; please
>pass it along to your friends. Drive safely and carefully. Remember, cars
>are not the only things recalled by their maker.
>
> Funny how you can send a thousand jokes through e-mail and they spread
>like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the sanctity
>of life, people think twice about sharing.
>
> Funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to
>many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or
>what they will think of you for sending it to them.
>
> Pass this on, you may save a life. Maybe not, but we'll never know if we
>don't try.
>
> May today there be peace within you. May you trust God that you are
>exactly where you are meant to be. "I believe that friends are quiet angels
>who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to
>fly."

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/19/05:

A good reminder of how we should be aware of how precious life is and how we all should work together to protect the existance of all humanity. :)

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VisionsInBlue asked on 01/18/05 - Alright... Enough already.

Yes, You Who Must Not Be Named. Lay off Stony and Hank, right freakin' now. Is there ANY human decency left? Lemme remind you:

Hank had just lost his wife. The man is probably lonely. He is not on "silly pills".

Stony has huge health problems. He too must be lonely. He is not digging the "shit pit".

Can you leave them alone at least a little? All you are doing is showing what a hateful person you really are. Anyone reading the board as of late noticed.

I hope and pray that you or any of yours never get sick or die, cuz if they do, you will remember this.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/19/05:

To understand another we must walk the long road in his/her shoes. I am not aware of what who said and when they did say it. I don't even know, but have a general idea now, of the One Who Must Not Be Named is. I was made aware that Hank lost his wife and I can feel his loss in his posts. Especially during Christmas. I also am aware of Stony and his health problems. Whether this is real or not, I never gave that a thought. I think of each and everyone of you on here as being real, whether I can see you or not. I feel that if someone is in need they should be encouraged to seek this community and let us know. Those who do not wish to acknowledge or who do not care, should not respond. So, whatever transpired, I think that it might be better to air it out and then perhaps what you speak of will lessen, as everyone matures, or if one is over ripe, as I am, regresses to a more gentle way. :)

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Ccl471 asked on 01/18/05 - Christians and Jews

I read in the book "The Case for Christ" that Jews think Christians are their enemies. They think this because the Nazi's persecuted them and they think that Germany was a Christian nation at the time. They think that the New Testament is a handbook on how to persecute Jews.

So do they think that all of us Christians are Nazi's?


Many thanks,

C.L.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/19/05:

This is how I know it, and in part lived it.
The original victims of the Nazis were not Jews, Slavs or any single race for that matter. Once Hitler seized power from Hindenburg, with the consent of the Vatican, he gave his henchmen the go-ahead to attack the communist and Social Democrats, which were the Nazis arch enemy. As a matter of fact the Reich Stag fire was used in order to make the communist party illegal in Germany.

The assumptions that the Nazi's planned to kill the Jews first is wrong. Hitler states his disgust of the Slavs in "Mien Kampf" which he wrote years before he came to power. The first people to be killed by the Nazis in Poland were not Jews but regular Polish soldiers and civilians who showed even the slightest signs of resistance. The first victims put in concentration camps were Polish Christians. According to most data, there were in fact more Polish Christians killed by the Nazis than Polish Jews. If one was to look at total casualties it was in fact the USSR that took the brunt. Inbetween 12-15 million Soviet civilians were killed during the war, most of whom were Slavic by blood. Often overlooked Serbia lost close to 1.5 million civlians in Europe's second largest concentration camp. This is often overlooked because their German backed brothers the Croats and Bosnians were responsible for most crimes committed. Slavs by far suffered more then the Jews.

Ukrainians 5.5 - 7 million
Jews (of all countries) 6 million +
Russian POWs 3.3 million +
Russian Civilians 2 million +
Poles 3 million +
Yugoslavians 1.5 million +
Gypsies 200,000 - 500,000
The Disabled 70,000- 250,000
Homosexuals Tens of thousands
Spanish Republicans Tens of thousands
Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500 - 5,000
Boy and Girl Scouts, Clergy, Communists, Czechs, Deportees, Greeks, Italians Political Prisoners, Other POWs, Resistance Fighters, Socialists, Trade Unionists, Others.

This is not a full list, but while Jews suffered, so did the rest of the world. Were Christians responsible? That is only for the person who delves into the research or remembers those times to decide. He was a madman and I think that he would kill anyone, no matter what religion or non-religion that got in his way.Christianity might have made him the Furher, but it was not Christianity that gave him a free ticket for mass murder of all people.

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Choux asked on 01/18/05 - Moderator

There has been some talk about having a Moderator on The Christianity Board. Who would make a good moderator and why?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/18/05:

I don't think that we should have a Moderator. For what? There are exchanges of opinions, small squabbles, and the freedom to express. With a Moderator everyone would have to be over cautious and contain their true feelings. So, I think that each person on here can moderate themselves. Besides it would be boring. However, that is just my opinion. :)

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revdauphinee asked on 01/18/05 - let me make it clear for those who care

I have been a member of this board for quite a while and most of you by now know how I feel about most things .But since I am accused of being a bigot because of my beliefs I want to confess and clarify a few things here.First I believe in Jesus and consider myself a Christian , But I am a work in progress I am not nor ever have I claimed to be perfect !I am human I have human tendancies ,and one of those tendancies is called predudice!to this I freely admit I am predudiced against those who wish to harm me and mine.During ww2 I lived in Europe we were at war with Germany I was then extreemly predudiced againt the enemy "Germans".Today I no longer hold that predudice although I will admit some slight hold over on occasion.(again I am human and lost people during that time)I have been accused of being predudiced against Muslims !I will freely admit to this! I realise many will tell me this is wrong But being truthfull is right and I am never going to lie about my feelings just to be politicaly correct .I have my beliefs I will share them with anyone who cares to listen I do not force them on others and will not tollerate others forced on me If I dissagree with you I will say so If you cant take it as offered then that must be your problenm I will not make it mine.I have dissagreed with many folks on here folks who even while dissagreeing I love dearly .when I dissagree it is not personal at least on my part . I do not hate anyone(muslims included )I just wish folks could understand that differing in oppinion is not hate it is just that a difference of oppinion .sory for the rant but when someone accuses me of hate It gets me going for as I said I hate no one I may feel them wrong that is all!

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/18/05:

You have every right to feel what you do, and as you expressed, others have the right to feel what they do. I happen to dislike terrorists. It does not matter whether they are Muslim, Christian, Hindu, or Atheists. In today's world it is the Muslim who is the terrorist. Yes, I dislike them. Not for being Muslims, but for the acts that they commit. I was in WWII as well as other wars and I can harbor a lot of dislike, but I prefer not to. I have lost family, felt the knife of prejudice on my own skin, but yet, I have learned to forgive. Otherwise, it would eat me alive, for those people do not remember me, but they would have festered in me until death did us part. So, while I respect your feelings, I am glad to know that you can respect mine. :)

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paraclete asked on 01/17/05 - For all those Christians who want to placate the Muslims

The muslim insurgents appearently think Christians are just as good a target as anyone else

Archbishop abducted as attacks continue
January 18, 2005 - 9:24AM

Insurgents in Iraq kidnapped a Catholic archbishop and targeted security forces in a series of brazen assaults today that killed more than 20 people.

A suicide bomber attacked US Marines in Ramadi, where insurgents also beheaded two Shi'ite Muslims and left their bodies on a footpath.

Meanwhile, the top US general in Iraq today predicted violence during the January 30 national election but pledged to do "everything in our power" to ensure safety of voters.

As part of a crackdown on insurgents, US troops arrested more than 100 suspects over the past three days, US officials said.

In Mosul, Archbishop Basile Georges Casmoussa, 66, of the Syrian Catholic Church, was seized by gunmen while walking in front of his church, a priest said on condition of anonymity.

No group claimed responsibility, but the Vatican condemned the abduction as a terrorist act.

Christians make up three per cent of Iraq's 26 million people. The major Christian groups include Chaldean-Assyrians and Armenians with small numbers of Roman Catholics.



AP

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/18/05:

Seems to me that they do not want democracy and will hurt Muslims as well as Christians. They will escalate their terrorism until the elections and I am sure well after that. How sad. No one can impose upon another country anthing that they have never known before, nor really want. :(

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/17/05 - Genesis 1, 26 - 27.

Then God said, "And Now We will make human beings; They will be like us and resemble us. They will have power over the fish, the birds, and all animals, domestic and wild, large and small. So God created human beings, making them to be like himself.

Question for all of you is. Why is it written as God being plural. We will make human beings, they will resemble us. So God created human beings, making them to be like himself.

Why is plural for used when talking about creating human beings? If God created human being making them to be like him? Does that mean that he was human form?

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/18/05:

Joe, As I understand it, the meaning of Gen. 1 26-27 means our trinitarian neighbors often make the claim that the plural/singular usage of language in Genesis 1:26,27 gives proof of their trinity doctrine. It has been claimed that when God spoke of "us" in creation, that this indicates that Yahweh is Jesus. Trinitarians claim that this means that there are more than one person in the Creator/God. The usage of the Hebrew word elohim, translated "God" in this verse, is also offered as proof of the trinity, since elohim is plural, not singular. It is also claimed that man, made in God's image,is also a trinity, with reference to 1 Thessalonians 5:23. Check that and see if you can understand it better. Your Cybergramps. :)

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revdauphinee asked on 01/17/05 - latest news !

Just heard on the news that a christian family had been murdered (presumably by Islamic radicals)due to the fact the husband preached Christianity to muslims on line,and supported Christian values over Islaam .What is your thoughts on this?Is this another example of peacefull Islaam?Murdering a man his wife and two beutifull daughters just because they were professing Christians!

Revelation 6:
9. When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/17/05:

Until all the facts are in I can just say that I feel pain for the family that died under such horrible circumstances. :(

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HANK1 asked on 01/16/05 - HEADS OR TAILS ...


It seems to me that people should pray with their heads lifted upwards toward God than lifted downwards toward Satan.

HANK



jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/16/05:

Hank lad, I really don't think that it is significant in which position you pray, just as long as you love God our Creator. Whether it is looking up or looking down,or straight ahead. It is what's in your heart that is important. Just my opinion. I am sure that by looking down you are not acknowledging Satan. :)

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VisionsInBlue asked on 01/16/05 - What is political corectness?

In my opinion all it does is send a message that everyone has every right to be offended by another's religion/race/gender/nationality/etc., instead of teaching people tolerance.

I'll take the recent Merry Xmas vs. Happy Holidays hullabaloo as an example (recent, because I don't remember any of this being so emphasized say 5 years ago). As we all know it was all over the media and this board. You couldn't say Merry Xmas because you could have offended somebody. But what if the media took a different stance: anybody can wish a Happy or Merry Whatever to anybody else and the recipient should take it just as what it really is -- best wishes...?

So what do we have now...? PCness everywhere and it forces us to NOTICE and think about how others are different than us, therefore slamming a HUGE importance on said differences, instead of teaching that we are all PEOPLE and that the ways in which we differ should be a matter of everyday acceptance without giving it a second thought.

Methinks PCness is dividing us into smaller and smaller groups, very precisely defined.

So if you want to refer to me, from now on please use:

Pale-skinned-of-European-descent -currently-unmarried-parent-of-one-underage-child-professional- bilingual-Eastern-Orthodox-ageless-not-overweight- not-blonde-nonunemployed-of-nonaverage-height-person-of-female-gender.

I don't think so.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/16/05:

I am too old for my brain to jump start into something that is called Political Correctness. I try to respect all of humanity, do not think that I am better than anyone else, nor do I think that if I want to wish someone a Merry Christmas, I have to put duck tape over my old mouth. All people are equal in my eyes, and for me to start watching every single word that I say, well, then I would have to be silent for the rest of my life. I hope that I do not offend anyone, but I am sure, that at one time or another I have. Not because of what I think or say, but because someone might misinterpret and think that I meant something that I did not.So if it is politically correct to call you a Pale-skinned-of-European-descent -currently-unmarried-parent-of-one-underage-child-professional- bilingual-Eastern-Orthodox-ageless-not-overweight- not-blonde-nonunemployed-of-nonaverage-height-person-of-female-gender.
Then you can call me a olive-skinned, half breed, balding old man, with a wife of Anglo Saxon origin and we have two pale daughters American born, employed, with husbands of unknown origin, with two children each, of various skin colors, oh damn, this is just too long. So I will call you Visionsinblue and you can call me Jeremy. I guess I am not geared to be politically correct, am I? :)

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Saladin asked on 01/15/05 - On heroes, heroines, and heroism ...



Dear Sirs,

I am alarmed at the use of the word 'hero' and 'heroes' in the media of the United States of America, because it seems to me that all one has to do to be nominated as a 'hero,' etc, is to don a military uniform of one kind or another.

Surely donning a uniform does not automatically elevate an ordinary person to the exalted status of hero? It only makes them a soldier, and airman, or a sailor.

In military terms, a hero is someone who by their actions performs an outstanding act of gallantry for the benefit of an endangered comrade or who makes an assault against an enemy position under singular conditions at the risk of their own lives.

I was a soldier and served in two active war zones, but I was never a hero.

How do you differentiate between someone who serves abroad in war conditions and someone who, in those conditions, stands out by their personal bravery and conduct befitting the actions of a hero?

:)

Ronnie - "The Plain English for Plain People Party"

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/16/05:

A hero, heroines, and heroism does not have to wear a uniform. There are children who give of themselves to save others, there is the woman who will go into a fire to save an elderly person, her children, husband, or cat. The man who will see someone being attacked and will take action, even though he might be hurt, and save someone. We are all heroes, heroines and we all show heroism almost on a daily basis. To me, all soldiers who fight for a country under the directions of a leader, be he misguided or not, they are all heroes just for being there. Survival alone, the raising of a family, the challenges that the mentally ill have to overcome, these are heroes. So, in essence what I am trying to say, we are all heroes, heroines and we all show heroism in one form or another. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/14/05 - Homeless!

In Toronto, Canada. Many homeless people sleep around city hall. The mayor of the city wants to get rid of the unsightly display of homeless people that are sleeping and living there. So they are going to try to clean up the streets and get rid of this problem. The city has a 162 million dollars. Planning on spending another 19 million dollars to try to get rid of the homeless of the streets. The money disappears and there are still homeless people there. The Mayor is trying to create a law, and actually have people ticketed. What do you think about this? Throwing money at the problem has proven it will not work. What do you think could help?

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/16/05:

The homeless situation is getting worse everywhere. Many solutions have been tried, but it seems that most fail. I work in soup kitchens and I talk to the homeless. They are afraid more of the unsupervised shelters than being out in the street. Some are in dire need of medical and psychological help, but are not getting it. In my area there is special housing for the homeless, but unfortunately it does not hold enough people. They have small efficiency rooms, and a counselor on the premises, but only one hundred units. The Volunteers of America and the Salvation Army have beds and food as well and try to find jobs for these people, but again, there is a limit as to how many of the homeless they can hold. Until this situation is taken seriously, and special places are available, special therapy for the mentally ill, drug addicts and alcoholics, there will be homeless people. Giving out fines is ridiculous. I hope to see this problem solved during my lifetime and a small number of us are trying to do as much as we can but obviously it is not enough. :)

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Choux asked on 01/15/05 - Unfit for Life

Yesterday, I had the media on in the background and I heard a story that said that, I guess in America(not sure), there are more and more young people being reised who are unfit to function in life. Has anyone heard of this? People who can't take care of the simplest requirements in order to function independently. I wonder what this is all about?

What do you think??

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/16/05:

I have met a lot of young people that are productive citizens. I believe that it all starts in the home. Even if parents have to work, it is important that they instill proper values in their children. From a young age they should be taught the values of responsibility, respect for all humanity, have access to reading material and have at least one parent who shows them what wonders an education can bring. Unfortunately, too many parents are too busy with themselves, and let the children lead a very disorganized life. I believe, through the raising of my own children, and now see it with my grandchildren, that they enjoy structure and organization. It is important that they know right from wrong, that the parents set an example for them. Yes, this is hard to achieve in today's world where both parents have to work, but it can be obtained. It is not how much time you spend with a child, but the quality that you give to that time. :)

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VisionsInBlue asked on 01/15/05 - Let me get this straight...

I was just told by a fellow expert that a professor had every right to give me a lower grade because I'm a Republican.

"You chose to be a Republican, now stop whining about how it has made you some kind of Martyr...You are NOT Joan of Arc!!!!!"

I must have missed a turn somewhere, cuz this sure as hell ain't Kansas anymore.

But... Being assertive as I am, I have a solution. I know that as soon as I become an uneducated minority people will HAVE to stop discriminating against me. Or I'll sue their collective butts.

Heads up, everybody. It's open season on white Republicans. It will last all of 21st Century and more, you can shoot all you want, the fact that we are equal prevents us from responding accordingly.

YEESH!

Now lemme educate you about your oh so horrible country, people. I'm a foreigner. I speak perfect English but I still have an accent. I was NEVER discriminated against cuz of that. I have a lot of clients, nobody ever asked to see my degree, they hire me left and right because I do good work. That's ALL it takes around here. That's America for you. Try going elsewhere and lemme know what happens.

Bias is only in the liberal heads obsessed with imaginary PCness.

There MUST be a reason why everybody moves here, and hardly ever anyone moves out.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/16/05:

I am sorry that you encountered what you did not only in college but also from an Expert. I was not born here, came in my late 30's, with a family. I learned through my long life, that no matter where you come from, religion and politics create more conflict than if you just talk about the weather. Of course, among friends I have no problem saying that I am a Democrat, do not like this President, and that I am a Christian. My friends know me, know that I treat everyone equally, and couldn't care less if my bridge partner is a Republican or a Liberal, a Jew, Muslim, Hindu. We have all reached a point in our lives, where it does not matter. We are all individuals and we do respect each other.
People who slam people are either not too stable in their ideologies, or have some sort of a complex. I love this country, but do not like the war we are in now, that does not mean that I disrespect the office of the President.
I hope that things go well for you and it was not your problem if the teacher did not like your being a Republican. A B is not that bad, at least she did not report you to the authorities and you were not arrested for what you and who you are. Be in peace. :)

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MaggieB asked on 01/14/05 - U.S. Prof Attacks Arab Muslim Student's Pro-Americanism

U.S. Prof Attacks Arab Muslim Student's Pro-Americanism
Calif. College Teacher Equates Kuwaiti Youth's Love for U.S. with Mental Illness
By Jim Brown
January 14, 2005

(AgapePress) - A Kuwaiti Arab Muslim student at a California community college says his political science professor pronounced him deranged after he wrote a paper expressing his love for the United States. According to the student, his instructor told him he needed psychiatric treatment -- all because he turned in a pro-American essay as his take-home final exam.

Ahmad Al Qloushi, a 17-year-old Foothill College freshman, says his essay defending America's founding fathers and the United States Constitution so offended Professor Joseph Woolcock that the teacher would not grade it. He says Woolcock went on to critique his ideology, telling the Kuwaiti-born youth that his native country is the 19th province of Iraq and calling his pro-American views "irrational."

But Al Qloushi has his own opinions and holds to them, despite his teacher's reactions. "Thirteen years ago," he notes, "Iraq took over Kuwait for one of the worst seven months of my life," he says, "and if it wasn't for the United States, I wouldn't be around here getting the education many would be praying for today. I owe America a lot of gratitude and debt, and I refuse to bad-mouth this country in any way."

Still, the 17-year-old says his professor accused him of being foolish for believing in the greatness of the United States and even threatened to visit a dean of the college to ensure that the youth received psychological intervention. "At 7:30 in the morning I entered his office," the student recalls, "and he basically said that I needed mental treatment for emotional needs and a failure to critically think."

Al Qloushi recalls a long list of personal critiques that Woolcock made: "I was too naïve, and I needed to see a therapist to control my emotions," he says, "and I need to critically think and reason. And he didn't stop there. He threatened to go to the International Dean of Admissions to make sure I get the treatment -- and the International Dean of Admissions has the power to revoke students' visas."

The Kuwaiti-born student has filed a school grievance against Woolcock and is urging Foothill College to adopt an Academic Bill of Rights that would prevent such ideological discrimination on the campus in the future. Meanwhile, in a strange turn of events, the professor has filed a school grievance against Al Qloushi, charging him with intimidation and harassment for mentioning his name to the media.

© 2005 AgapePress all rights reserved.

My thoughts are that the prof is out of line! Any comments?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/14/05:

What a horrible thing to do to this young lad. This is how hatred and bigotry starts. Kudos to the lad for standing up for what he believes in and if I were the college I would fire Prof. Cockwool on the spot. :)

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paraclete asked on 01/14/05 -

Gays have become the weapon of choice

trust the Americans to make it mandatory?

Gay bombs: US secret weapon plan
January 14, 2005 - 3:05PM


A US plan to develop a bad breath bomb and a chemical weapon to make enemy soldiers sexually irresistible to each other has been revealed in newly declassified documents.

New Scientist's web site reports that the documents show the Pentagon considered a range of non-lethal chemical weapons aimed at disrupting enemy discipline and morale.

The "sex bomb" idea would cause a "distasteful but completely non-lethal" blow to morale, it states.

Also considered were concoctions that would be irresistible to wasps or angry rats to render enemy bases uninhabitable.

And there was the bad breath bomb idea - a weapon that caused "severe and lasting halitosis" to make it easier to sniff out spies.

Other ideas dating back to 1994 from the US Air Force Wright Laboratory in Ohio included making soldiers' skin react painfully to sunlight.

The lab sought Pentagon funding for research into what it called "harassing, annoying and 'bad guy'-identifying chemicals". The plans have been posted online by the Sunshine Project, an organisation that exposes research into chemical and biological weapons.

Spokesman Edward Hammond told New Scientists it was not known if the $7.5 millio research proposal was ever pursued.

smh.com.au

Now I can't imagine ole George allowing that one, can you?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/14/05:

I checked the whole net and nothing shows up, except for Osama thinking of creating one. Can you give me a link? Actually, it looks as if it is all bad entertainment. :)

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excon asked on 01/13/05 - My exposure to Christianity


Hello experts:

I just told one story to Saladin regarding an unhappy exposure to Christianity. Here's another. It's not a complaint, just a history.

In East Denver, Jews were in a minority, as we appear to be everywhere except Brooklyn. The Boy Scout Troop I joined was lead by a very religious man, and he strongly suggested that we attend "church" when on a weekend camping trip. There was no synagogue in Evergreen, Colo. where we were camped. There was, however, some sort of Christian church. So I, along with several others went. Toward the end of the service, we were invited up to the front where I went and received communion. I thought it was cool.

That is, until I got back to camp. I found out then, what Christians thought about a Jew receiving communion. I was summarily dismissed from that Boy Scout Troop after an aggressive campaign by the leaders to vilify me. The stench of anti-Semitism was rampant.

I've had a couple of other equally disturbing brushes with "Christianity". I've had friends who are Christians, but Frankly, Christianity is not my friend.

excon

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/14/05:

Excon, I am sorry that you had to experience what you did. I know that I was discriminated against as a kid, and yes, the memories are still there. Difference is that today I know that they were the ones with the problem, not me. I fault the scout leaders for not being sensitive enough to understand a child and then letting him get thrown out of a group when he did not know what he did wrong. All I can say is that I pity their hearts no matter what denomination they were. Even if you were a Christian, but not a Christian who practices communion, you would probably have run into the same idiots that you had to unfortunately encounter. It was a bad experience man, but you are an adult now and you can see how moronic some believers of Christianity can be. A true Christian would never do that, so you have to forgive them for being bigoted donkeys. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/13/05 - How is/was your nest of nurture?


My childhood home did not provide for some of the basic needs of a growing child.

Yet I have grown to understand that we do not all get what we need or even what is good for us.

And yet I was moved by the high idealism in the following piece by Joseph Fielding Smith.

In the ideal home true parents rear loving, thoughtful children, loyal to the death, to father and mother and home!

In it there is the religious spirit, for both parents and children have faith in God, and their practices are in conformity with that faith; the members are free from the vices and contaminations of the world, are pure in morals, having upright hearts beyond bribes and temptations, ranging high in the exalted standards of manhood and womanhood.

Peace, order, and contentment reign in the hearts of the inmates—let them be rich or poor, in things material.

There are no vain regrets; no expressions of discontent against father, from the boys and girls, in which they complain: "If we only had this or that, or were like this family or that, or could do like so and so!"—complaints that have caused fathers many uncertain steps, dim eyes, restless nights, and untold anxiety.

In their place is the loving thoughtfulness to mother and father by which the boys and girls work with a will and a determination to carry some of the burden that the parents have staggered under these many years.

There is the kiss for mother, the caress for father, the thought that they have sacrificed their own hopes and ambitions, their strength, even life itself to their children—there is gratitude in payment for all that has been given them!

In the ideal home the soul is not starved, neither are the growth and expansion of the finer sentiments paralyzed for the coarse and sensual pleasures.

The main aim is not to heap up material wealth, which generally draws further and further from the true, the ideal, the spiritual life; but it is rather to create soul-wealth, consciousness of noble achievement, an outflow of love and helpfulness.

It is not costly paintings, tapestries, priceless bric-a-brac, various ornaments, costly furniture, fields, herds, houses and lands which constitute the ideal home, nor yet the social enjoyments and ease so tenaciously sought by many; but it is rather beauty of soul, cultivated, loving, faithful, true spirits; hands that help and hearts that sympathize; love that seeks not its own, thoughts and acts that touch our lives to finer issues—these lie at the foundation of the ideal home.

Joseph Fielding Smith - 1905

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jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/13/05:

Although my own childhood was not the best, and that is being a very generous description, I have tried to not make the mistakes that my own parents did. I am not shoving any blame on them. Considering the time of my youth, and the turmoil in the world, they did their best. However, through that I became a stronger man and when I had a family of my own, wife, children and grandchildren, I did my best to always be there for them, provide for them, emotionally and spiritually. We always show a great deal of affection toward each other and when I see my grandchildren, and the love they show to their parents and to Sandra and myself, I know that God has guided me and rewarded me in many ways and I am thankful to Him for each day that he allots me. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/13/05 - Pride!

What does God teach about a Proud person? How do you describe that person? Is it somebody who talks as if they are better then everybody else. That they are smarter, knows more, proud to announce this and talks to other people as if they are a piece of dirt. Are these examples of Pride? Thanks in advance!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/13/05:

Gal 6:3
3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. (KJV)

All people are equal. If one boosts too much you can be sure that he is not. What you describe is a portion of a boostful pride, but also a false pride. Not so much to you as to himself. Being humble is a much better trait to have for there is always one who is greater than all of us. God our Creator.
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STONY asked on 01/13/05 - HAVE BEEN AWAY FROM HERE FOR A WHILE...

MY HEALTH HAS TAKEN A TURN SOUTH, SURGERY WILL BE UPCOMING SOON AND ITS QUESTIONABLE IF THEY CAN SAVE ONE OF MY KIDNEYS. I MADE A DECISION SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO NOT HAVE A CERTAIN PROCEEDURE DONE TO MY BODY AND NOW IT HAS COME BACK TO HAUNT ME. IF THE SPIRIT OF GOD MOVES ON YOU TO PRAY FOR ME THEN BY ALL MEANS DO SO
BECAUSE MY MIND IS ALREADY MADE UP. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO CONTINUE IN A DISEASE RIDDEN BODY THAT WILL ULTIMATELY GET WORSE. IF I CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE THE SURGERY THEN THE END WILL JUST COME A LITTLE BIT SOONER
AND I ALREADY KNOW MY DESTINATION, SO FEAR IS NOT A FACTOR IN THIS..............STONY

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/13/05:

Stony, I thank God for giving you better health and a quick return to your normal life. Never give up man, you seem to have many friends here who care for you and in that way you are feeling their blessings. Be in peace.

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/12/05 - Sick!

Okay some people blame illnesses and diseases on God and that they are a punishment from him because of our immoral behaviour. Do any of you believe this? Many people get sick in this world it is part of life but why do some people get sick more often then others? Is God to blame or is it just as much nature as the weather?

Thank you in advance!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/12/05:

I don't believe that God is to blame when one becomes sick. We have our earthly bodies and they are susceptible to illness and disease. You cannot blame God, at least I do not. I have seen some pretty nasty people in my life that are as healthy as an ox, yet a very kind, generous, giving and loving person suffers ailments. Or a baby that is ill, can you blame God? No. Also, it is how we treat our bodies. If we abuse ourselves with things that can harm us, then we will be sicker than others. If we try to take care of ourselves, then we have a better chance of feeling better. My God does not punish anyone by making them ill. Life is life. To me it has to do with everything else but not God our Creator.

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arcura asked on 01/11/05 - Ok - Who all has seen this one?................

In the Beginning...

God covered the earth with broccoli, cauliflower
and spinach combined with an abundance of green,
yellow and red vegetables.
He did this so that Man and Woman
would live long and healthy lives.

Then, using God's bountiful gifts, Satan created Dairy
Queen. And Satan said: "You want hot fudge with
that?" And Man said: "Yes!"
And Woman said: "I'll have one too...with sprinkles."
And low and behold they gained 10 pounds.

And so God created the healthful raw milk yogurt
that Woman might keep the figure that Man found so fair.
And Satan brought forth white flour from the wheat, and
sugar from the cane, and combined them.
And Woman went from size 2 to size 14.

So God said: "Try my fresh green garden salad."
And Satan presented crumbled Bleu Cheese dressing
and garlic toast on the side. And Man and Woman
unfastened their belts following the repast.

God then said: "I have sent you heart-healthy
vegetables and olive oil in which to cook them."
And Satan brought forth deep-fried shrimp in
partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, ribs slathered
in sauce with MSG and other food additives and
chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own platter.
And Man's cholesterol went through the roof.

Then God brought forth the potato, brimming with
potassium and good nutrition.
Then Satan peeled off the healthful skin, sliced the
starchy center into chips and deep-fried them in
trans fats adding copious quantities of salt. And
Man packed on more pounds.
God then brought forth running shoes so that his
children might lose those extra pounds. And Satan
introduced cable TV with remote control so Man
would not have to toil changing the channels. And Man
and Woman laughed and cried before the flickering
light and started wearing stretchy lycra jogging suits.
God then gave pasture-raised beef so that Man
might consume fewer calories and still satisfy his appetite.
And Satan created McDonald's and the 99-cent
double cheeseburger.
Then Satan said: "You want fries with that?"
And Man replied: "Yes! And super size 'em!"
And Satan said: "It is good." And Man and Woman
went into cardiac arrest.
God sighed...and created quadruple by-pass surgery.
Satan chuckled and created The Health Care System.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/11/05:

Glad that I am a vegetarian.This was nice Fred, thanks. :)

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ATON2 asked on 01/11/05 - Block or tackle???

Sorry, guys. But since darkstar has blocked me from answering her postings, I can only do it this way.

One man's goad is another man's 'god'!!!!!

Why would an 'expert' post questions that she only wants certain people to answer???????

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/11/05:

This is not the war zone. If someone posts a question then I feel everyone has the right to answer it. I was not aware that someone can block someone. It is a board where opinions differ and if you do not like someone's comment you just ignore it. I feel that it takes two to tango and more to join a conga line, and I am not taking sides, but it is just as easy to ignore as it is to continue it over and over again. Who will post if the other does not respond? What is not seen, is that basically we are all individuals on here, don't know each other, have our separate lives apart from this forum and what is said is said. The next day new questions come and again we have the opportunity to learn and respond. Maybe darkstar did not mean to block you. I don't know what was said to who, but I am sure that worse things have happened here. I know that I have witnessed some pretty harsh words between experts. So, it happened, shake hands and start over. The end. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/11/05 - Ben Stein's last column



Ben Stein's Last Column...

! How Can Someone Who Lives in Insane Luxury Be a Star in Today's World?

As I begin to write this, I "slug" it, as we writers say, which means I put a heading on top of the document to identify it. This heading is "eonlineFINAL," and it gives me a shiver to write it. I have been doing this column for so long that I cannot even recall when I started. I loved writing this column so much for so long I came to believe it would never end.

It worked well for a long time, but gradually, my changing as a person and the world's change have overtaken it. On a small scale, Morton's, while better than ever, no longer attracts as many stars as it used to. It still brings in the rich people in droves and definitely some stars. I saw Samuel L. Jackson there a few days ago, and we had a nice visit, and right! before that, I saw and had a splendid talk with Warren Beatty in an e levator, in which we agreed that Splendor in the Grass was a super movie. But Morton's is not the star galaxy it once was, though it probably will be again.

Beyond that, a bigger change has happened. I no longer think Hollywood stars are terribly important. They are uniformly pleasant, friendly people, and they treat me better than I deserve to be treated. But a man or woman who makes a huge wage for memorizing lines and reciting them in front of a camera is no longer my idea of a shining star we should all look up to. How can a man or woman who makes an eight-figure wage and lives in insane luxury really be a star in today's world, if by a "star" we mean someone bright and powerful and attractive as a role model? Real stars are not riding around in the backs of limousines or in Porsches or getting trained in yoga or Pilates and eating only raw fruit while they have Vietnamese girls do their nails. They can! be interesting, nice people, but they are not heroes to me any longer.

A real star is the soldier of the 4th Infantry Division who poked his head into a hole on a farm near Tikrit, Iraq. He could have been met by a bomb or a hail of AK-47 bullets. Instead, he faced an abject Saddam Hussein and the gratitude of all of the decent people of the world.

A real star is the U.S. soldier who was sent to disarm a bomb next to a road north of Baghdad. He approached it, and the bomb went off and killed him.

A real star, the kind who haunts my memory night and day, is the U.S. soldier in Baghdad who saw a little girl playing with a piece of unexploded ordnance on a street near where he was guarding a station. He pushed her aside and threw himself on it just as it exploded. He left a family desolate in California and a little gir! l alive in Baghdad.

The stars who deserve media attention are not the ones who have lavish weddings on TV but the ones who patrol the streets of Mosul even after two of their buddies were murdered and their bodies battered and stripped for the sin of trying to protect Iraqis from terrorists.

We put couples with incomes of $100 million a year on the covers of our magazines. The noncoms and officers who barely scrape by on military pay but stand on guard in Afghanistan and Iraq and on ships and in submarines and near the Arctic Circle are anonymous as they live and die

I am no longer comfortable being a part of the system that has such poor values, and I do not want to perpetuate those values by pretending that who is eating at Morton's is a big subject.

Th! ere are plenty of other stars in the American firmament....the policemen and women who go off on patrol in South Central and have no idea if they will return alive; the orderlies and paramedics who bring in people who have been in terrible accidents and prepare them for surgery; the teachers and nurses who throw their whole spirits into caring for autistic children; the kind men and women who work in hospices and in cancer wards.

Think of each and every fireman who was running up the stairs at the World Trade Center as the towers began to collapse. Now you have my idea of a real hero.

We are not responsible for the operation of the universe, and what happens to us is not terribly important. God is real, not a fiction; and when we turn over our lives to Him, He takes far better care of us than we could ever do for ourselves. In a word, we make ourselves sane when we fire ourselves as th! e directors of the movie of our lives and turn the power over to Him.

I came to realize that life lived to help others is the only one that matters. This is my highest and best use as a human. I can put it another way. Years ago, I realized I could never be as great an actor as Olivier or as good a comic as Steve Martin...or Martin Mull or Fred Willard--or as good an economist as Samuelson or Friedman or as good a writer as Fitzgerald. Or even remotely close to any of them.

But I could be a devoted father to my son, husband to my wife and, above all, a good son to the parents who had done so much for me. This came to be my main task in life. I did it moderately well with my son, pretty well with my wife and well indeed with my parents (with my sister's help). I cared for and paid attention to them in their declining years. I stayed with my father as he got sick, went into extremis and then into a coma and then ent! ered immortality with my sister and me reading him the Psalms.

This was the only point at which my life touched the lives of the soldiers in Iraq or the firefighters in New York. I came to realize that life lived to help others is the only one that matters and that it is my duty, in return for the lavish life God has devolved upon me, to help others He has placed in my path This is my highest and best use as a human.

Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.

By Ben Stein

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jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/11/05:

Amen! It takes a while to realize what and who is important and to find ones way to the path of God our Creator. Wonderful post Ronnie. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/11/05 - E.S.P. , Psychics, and Premonitions (Dreams)!

How does Christianity explain these occurances? Many people have claimed to experianced these things. Of course there are called different things for the same thing. Have you had any special experiances? Where do they come from? Gift from God?

I have had many many dreams that would come true, I have had many strong feelings about things and new things without being told for example situations or things with my wife and family.

Thank you in advance!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/11/05:

I have always been a skeptic of such things. I was an atheist and never believed. However one day, when I was wounded in combat, my lower extremities were totally paralyzed. Two of my discs were completely destroyed. I was told that I probably would never walk again. I had three surgeries and they all failed. It was a very strange and frightening feeling. I felt tremendous pain, but could not move nor feel my legs at all. One night, I dreamt that Jesus came to me and said "You will feel both your legs soon." It was a very vivid dream and it gave me a feeling of euphoria. However, being who I was at that time, I thought to myself "yeah, right."
In the morning, with the dream still on my mind, I suddenly felt a strange warmth in my legs. I commanded my legs to move, and they did. At first I could not walk, but I did feel and could move them. Within three days, with assistance I was walking. In two weeks I was discharged from the hospital and walked on my own power. The doctors were amazed at my progress and had no explanation as to why I could walk. The X-rays showed no damage to the discs, they were intact, where before they were fragments that had to be removed. That is the day that His spirit came into me and I never doubted again. That was just one instance. The other is still too painful to mention, but it really confirmed my faith in Jesus God.

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/10/05 - Ghosts!

Does Christianity explain about peoples experiances with Ghosts? Are there other explanations? Anybody have any personal thoughts on this?

I personally have had no experiances with what we would call a ghost. I am interested in stories of it. Why do some people see them? Why are they here? Etc...... Thank you for your thoughts in advance!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/11/05:

I have never seen a ghost, but I did hear strange chain sounds in an empty house. I was too afraid to see what it was, so brave father that I am, I sent my daughter's husband to check it out. He saw and heard nothing. I do not believe in them, but some people claim that they have seen them and even have spoken to them. I think that it was after having a few too many drinks though. :)

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Geedubya84 asked on 01/10/05 - Score


Christians 2
Hippercrits 10

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/10/05:

What game are you basing this on? Is it from the Roman times, you know, the Hypocrites get eaten by the lions but Victor Mature lives because he is Christian. Great movie the Gladiators, guess you didn't see the end though, because the Christians scored higher. :)

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arcura asked on 01/10/05 - THIS IS FOR ALL OF YOU THAT ARE GOING TO START NEW PROJECTS.

And God Said, "Noah, Build an Ark." Yeah, right!

It is the year 2004 and Noah lived in the United States.

The Lord speaks to Noah and says: "In one year I am going to make it rain and cover the whole
earth with water until all is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of
every kind of living thing on the earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."

In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark. Fearful and trembling, Noah
took the plans and agreed to build the Ark.

"Remember," said the Lord, "you must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one
year."

Exactly one year later, a fierce storm cloud covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went
into a tumult.

The Lord saw Noah sitting in his front yard weeping.

"Noah." He shouted, "Where is the Ark?"

"Lord please forgive me!" cried Noah. "I did my best, but there were big problems.
First, I had to get a permit for construction and your plans did not comply with the codes. I had to
hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans.

Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and
flotation devices.

Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in
my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.

I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to
protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S. Forest Service that I
needed the wood to save the owls. However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any
owls. So, no owls.

The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the
National Labor Union. Now I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls.

When I started rounding up the other animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They
objected to me only taking two of each kind aboard.

Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without
filing an environmental statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the
idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the
Creator of the universe.

Then the Army Corps of Engineers demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them
a globe.

Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity
Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking godless,
unbelieving people aboard!

The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the
country to avoid paying taxes.

I just got a notice from the state that I owe some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as
a recreational water craft."

Finally the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark,
saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious event, therefore
unconstitutional.

I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah wailed

The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched
across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully.

You mean you are not going to destroy the earth, Lord?"

"No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has."

AMEN

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/10/05:

Gee Fred, I have to be getting better at comprehension, it took me only to the middle to realize that I had heard this one many times before. Last time I read the whole darn thing. Be in peace. :)

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paraclete asked on 01/09/05 - The Ten Commandments in Cajun





1. God is number one... and das' All.

2. Don't pray to nuttin' or nobody... jus' God.

3. Don't cuss nobody... 'specially da Good Lord.

4. When it be Sunday... pass yo'self by God's House.

5. Yo mama an' yo daddy dun did it all... lissen to dem.

6. Killin' duck an' fish, das' OK... people - No!

7. God done give you a wife... sleep wit' jus' her.

8. Don't take nobody's boat... or nuttin' else.

9. Don't go wantin' somebody's stuff.

10. Stop lyin'... yo tongue gonna fall out yo mouf!

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/10/05:

Nice way to start a morning. I liked the "God is number one, and das' all." Good post Paraclete. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/09/05 - Try This Link Out For Fun!

http://www.frontiernet.net/~cdm/age1

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/10/05:

What a depressing thing, should have fudged on the date of my birth. Actually it was loads of fun. I enjoyed this. Thanks.

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/09/05 - Jesus Prays for His Disciples!

John 17, 1 - 26

John 15, 18 - 27

Matthew 5, 43 - 48

Matthew 22, 34 - 40

What do you think of these verses. There are many many examples of prayer in the bible. How important praying for each other is. How important it is to pray to God.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/09/05:

Joe, When one goes through a life that is filled with hatred and adversity, sees death through wars and is persecuted because of their ethnic background, sees family members killed, it is easy to lose all faith in a God and cannot see the beauty that you are experiencing. You have to believe in what you believe. I wish that I could just look at scripture and believe in every single word, but I cannot. However, not all have to share that belief, as it is a very private and personal thing. I am a Christian, by choice, I believe in God and Jesus, but more with deeds rather than prayers. It does not mean that everyone should do as I do. This is what I find comfort in and it is what I carry with me in my daily life. I will never refuse anyone anything. Even at my age, I still try to work hard as a volunteer in various capacities, give as much as I can to the poor and homeless, more in an individual way than through organizations. I love humanity and I love God.I do not judge anyone, and am thankful for everything. Needless to say, He knows that and I am at peace with who I am and what my belief has brought me. May you never have to witness what this old man has. Be blessed and thankful. Life is not easy, but we all strive to make it better. If prayer does it for you, please pray and believe that your prayers do not go into empty air. God knows and hears you. Always remember to thank Him for what you do and do not have. After all, you are His child. Just some personal thoughts from your cybergramps. :)

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VisionsInBlue asked on 01/09/05 - Somebody enlighten my pretty blonde head, please

What's up with the prayer request deal?

First of all, the way I see prayer is thanking God for what we have and counting our blessings. What I do pray for is health. That would be about it.

So if somebody requests a prayer for a sick child or a person, I'm all for it.

Anything other than that sounds like "would you please pray for me now cuz not only that I'm lazy to do anything about the situation for which the prayer is requested, but I can't be bothered to do it myself so I need you".

Sure, call me cold hearted and I may very well be, but I have zero patience for whiners. I should hope The Upstairs has better things to do than listen to that.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/09/05:

I do not see that your question is cold hearted. God knows each and every one of us. He created us. To pray to Him individually is what I feel we should do. Unless one is feeble, or very sick and cannot do it on his/her own, then I will pray for that person if asked. Otherwise, to depend on the prayers of others is not having any true personal connection with our Lord. A lot of people do ask for intervention on behalf of others, and I can understand that, however, as I have stated so many times before, I only pray to say Thank you. Whatever God has given me, be it an adverse situation or a good one, I feel blessed. I never question Him, nor do I feel that I have to. For those who ask for prayers, a direct relationship with God is what matters, not when someone asks. Besides, how do we truly know that those people do pray on our behalf? Only through ourselves are we in touch with God.

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ROLCAM asked on 01/08/05 - Circumcision Decision ??

The Circumcision Decision.

Recently I’ve seen articles referring to circumcision as "abusive, barbaric, torture and mutilation."

Has Circumcision got any Religious Significance ?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/09/05:

In some religions yes, like Hebrew and Islamic, but it is not a Christian religious requirement. Today it is done mostly for hygienic reasons. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/08/05 - ~Prayer Request~

I ask you for your prayers for my family and myself. Thank you. God bless!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/09/05:

Joe, you know that my prayers only include a "Thank You." So, I shall thank God for all the blessings that He has bestowed upon you and your family. :)

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ROLCAM asked on 01/08/05 - A Simple Statement ??

Jesus Christ was born a Jew, lived a Jew, and died a Jew.

What are your Christian views on this simple statement?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/09/05:

According the to times of when Jesus lived, it is said that he was a Hebrew, celebrated Hebrew traditions and holidays. Whether he was or was not, that is the question that has had man kind in a dilema, since there is no positive proof of his existing at all. It is within our own personal belief in him that dwells the proof. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/08/05 - Forgiveness!

There are certain people who believe that Forgiving somebody means that you do not want them to be punished for what they have done. In my belief this is not true. I believe you can forgive somebody and also want them to face up and take the consequences of their actions.

For example: Somebody has just murdered five children. The husband forgives his wife but also would like justice and deal with the punishment of their actions.

When we are young children and we did something wrong. We are punished for it. Does that mean that we do not love them or forgive them. The parents continue to love their children.

Even God punishes us. He forgives us. Everything we do effects everybody else. Does God still love us yes.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/09/05:

Hi Joe, I believe that you can forgive, that is the easy part, but to forget, that is almost impossible. I do not believe in punishing anyone, except if they do something terrible to you or to others, but forgiveness is within all of us, and we should be able to excercise that willingly. You cannot forgive a child and then punish him/her, it would send the wrong message, would it not? So forgiveness with punishment, would not be forgiveness at all, would it? That is your cybergrampa's opinion. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/08/05 - ***Very Long Post*** Schizophrenia in general, and Andrea Yates in particular




It is increasingly apparent that the Schizophrenia, is little understood, and that strong feelings abound on every side of the Andra Yates case.

The prosecution's case was that at the time she harmed her children, and before she did so, Andrea Yates knew right from wrong.

Perhaps she did. Perhaps she didn't.

But proper understanding can only be brought to the table when some better information about the illness and its effect upom those cursed by it are clearly understood.

It is with this in mind that I make my feeble attempt to discuss schizophrenia outside the emotional cock-pit and treat it as a scientific subject, which it surely is, and bring some understanding of the ravaging illness to the attention of our expert commuinity.

If you feel that I am impudent to do so, then perhaps your noble nature will forgive me.

As to what Yates knew or didn't know about right from wrong before and during the commission of her dreadful act, we might never be compleletely sure because we cannot climb inside her mind and experience what she experienced.

However, it is certain that the distinction between right from wrong, and the border of reality from unreality become blurred and can dissolve altogether in schiozophrenics. This is always their personal tragedy.

I have spent many years working inside mental facilities, large and small, among schizophrenics at various levels, having a variety of the several expressions that schizophrenia takes.

Sometimes patients will appear to distinguish clearly between right from wrong, but this is never an absolute.

There are differing levels of understanding, first during the prodromal period leading up to what we call full-blown psychosis, and of the florid phase, during which it is apparent, the Yates tragedy occurred.

There can be no doubt that under the effects of a full-blown psychosis, acts committed by a person are neither volitional nor rational.

The prodromal period can be of indeterminate length, with ebbs and flows in the severity of the condition, and a corresponding ebb and flow in the insight of the patient so affected.

I have first hand experience of psychotic patients in their prodromal periods and in the early stages of the onset of schizophrenia, and it never arrives full-blown in a single moment.

Most often its natural course is to develop over months, or even years, during which the patient will experience a range of non-real phenomenon that, being psychically perceived, are fully believed to be absolutely real.

This is an extremely disturbing phase, because the patient becomes incresingly aware of changes in their perception of their normal world that have all the signs, sounds, feelings, even tastes and smells, that are shifting from their moorings and turning into other sounds, shapes, feelings, and smells.

The level of awareness depends entirely on the level of insight retained by the patient, and the apparent phase shifts from their usual cognitive and perceptive functions, to a new, distorted, and increasingly unidentifiable world 'out there.'

During this phase, the patient is often so disturbed by what he sees and feels, etc., that he is motivated to committ suicide.

As the condition tightens its grip on his mind, insight is concomitantly reduced.

Eventually, and all that is left to him is a new and unfamiliar frightening world, characterised by delusions and hallucinations, and a parallel destruction of the personality, except in paranolid schizophrenia when the personlaity is apparenbtly intact, but his thinking is characterised by delusional systems and ideas that cannot be shaken.

Hallucination may be auditory, in which the patient hears voices that tell him what to do.

The patient is invariable obedient to these voices. To the patient, they are voices of undeniable authority, and may be identified as the Voice of God, or the voice of the devil.

Hallucinations can be olfactory, tactile, sensory, gustatory, but they are always pathological, and never what could be called 'normal.'

Although to the layperson, behaviour may be apparently unchanged, there are changes, sometimes subtle and sometimes less so, that mental health professionals will notice and understand as signs that the ilness is worsening.

Psychotropic drugs are not anywhere near a 100% cure or adequate treatment for schizophrenia, and to believe so is an error.

Maintaining a patient on voluntary or compulsory medication is no guarantee that their illness will not reach the stage where their hallucinations will not re-surface, or that their subsequent behaviour will not be self-harming or anti-social, in harming others.

Under these conditions, any schizophrenic can become a danger to themselves, others, their spouses, parents, children, or strangers.

Nothing that can be done has so far resulted in a complete answer that prevents irrational behaviour, and society needs to understand that and deal with it.

It is, perhaps, undertanding that we whould think about her children and see her as a monstrous abnormal mother for harming them.

If that was all there was to this case, there would be little to argue against that view. However, there is another side, and it is the side of the mentally ill who do things they would not do if they were not ill.

Andrea Yates is clearly as much a victim of her illness as are her children and her husband. He also has an opinion, and he knew her better than any of us.


"December 8, 2001 -

The husband of the Texas woman who admits killing all five of their children tells Ed Bradley in his first interview that she committed the crime because of mental illness that he believes a hospital and her doctor failed to treat properly.

Russell Yates also defends his wife, Andrea, as being a good mother in Bradley's report to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Dec. 9 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Two weeks before Mrs. Yates shocked the nation by drowning her children, one by one, in the bathtub, Mr. Yates says her psychiatrist, Dr. Mohammed Saeed, did something he found alarming. "The doctor took [Mrs. Yates] off her anti-psychotic medicine when she'd had psychosis,"

Mr. Yates tells Bradley. "He diagnosed her himself [with] postpartum depression with psychosis."

Although Dr. Saeed took her off anti-psychotic medicine, Mrs. Yates continued to take anti-depressant drugs he had prescribed.

Her condition worsened, says Mr. Yates, and he took her back to the doctor. It was two days before she killed her children.

"We were desperate. She was so sick. I was at my wit's end ... 'Help us,'" Mr. Yates says he said to Dr. Saeed.

Mr. Yates says the doctor adjusted the dose of her anti-depressants, but otherwise offered words instead of hospitalization.

"He gets in her face and says, 'Andrea you need to think positive thoughts,'" Mr. Yates tells Bradley. Dr. Saeed refused to be interviewed, but in Mrs. Yates' records he wrote that he took her off the anti-psychotic drugs because he believed she was developing dangerous side effects and, he wrote, she denied having psychotic symptoms.

Mrs. Yates had a history of depression after giving birth and had spent time in a hospital for it after the birth of her fourth child.

Soon after her fifth child was born last spring, Mrs. Yates spent 12 days in Devereux Hospital outside Houston, where, Mr. Yates believes, she was discharged before she was well enough to leave.

Just two days before her release, hospital records described Mrs. Yates as "somber ... sad ... withdrawn ... delusional ... with possible hallucinations ... and suffering from impaired judgment."

On the day of her release, hospital records show Mrs. Yates said she was feeling much better and had improved, yet Mr. Yates contends it was too soon to release her:

"There's absolutely no reason she should have been let out of that hospital. It was just incomprehensible."

A former supervising nurse at Devereux, Jackie Pruden, says it was not unusual for patients to be released too early from that hospital.

"I have seen patients released before they were ready to go," she says. "They weren't getting the counseling ... behavior modification. And they were being released before they learned the coping mechanisms they needed on the outside world."

Mrs. Yates is back on anti-psychotic drugs and her condition has improved; she was recently (2001) found to be mentally competent enough to stand trial.

Her lawyers have entered a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity.

Both sides agree that Mrs. Yates is mentally ill, but Harris County prosecutors have charged her with capital murder and are seeking the death penalty.

District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal says, "I want to hold her accountable for the death of those children. That's my job, to hold people accountable for what they do."

The case has aroused strong feelings.

Advocates for the mentally ill have rushed to Mrs. Yates' defense, using the argument that postpartum depression is a very serious illness that, in varying degrees, affects most mothers.

Others paint her as a methodical murderer, to which Mr. Yates responds,

"They don't know Andrea ... a person's heart can be good while their mind is sick," he says.

Mr. Yates provides videotapes of Andrea cheerfully playing with their children and no evidence of child abuse has ever been found, but some believe he could have prevented the murders.

"A family cannot protect themselves from a psychotic person. A doctor can by putting the psychotic patient in the hospital," he tells Bradley. "I did everything I could ... to see that Andrea got well."

Mr. Yates believes it all comes down to medical treatment. "If she received the medical treatment that she deserved, then the kids would be alive ... and Andrea would be well on her way to recovery and we'd be unknown," he laments.



There were other influences on Yates that coupled with her tendency to schizophrenia added to her self image as an unsatisfactory mother, an obvious delusion since she was a model parent up to the time of the illness that led to the killing of her chidren.

Michael Woroniecki:

Michael Woroniecki was a traveling minister from whom Rusty purchased their bus (their home) and whose religious views had influenced both Rusty and Andrea.

Rusty only agreed with some of Woroniecki's ideas but Andrea embraced the extremist sermons.

He preached, "the role of women is derived from the sin of Eve and that bad mothers who are going to hell create bad children who will go to hell."

Andrea was so totally captivated by Woroniecki that Rusty and Andrea's family grew concerned.

Andrea’s First Suicide Attempt :

On June 16 1999, Andrea called Rusty and begged him to come home.

He found her shaking involuntarily and chewing on her fingers. The next day, she was hospitalized after she tried to commit suicide by taking an overdose of pills.

She was transferred to the Methodist Hospital psychiatric unit and diagnosed with a major depressive disorder.

The medical staff described Andrea as evasive in discussing her problems.

However, on June 24 she was prescribed an antidepressant and released.

Spiraling Downward:

Once home, Andrea did not take the medication and as a result she began to self mutilate and refused to feed her children because she felt they were eating too much (an obvious psychotic delusion).

She thought there were video cameras in the ceilings and said that the characters on television were talking to her (ideas of reference) and the children.

She told Rusty about the hallucinations, yet neither of them informed Andrea's psychiatrist, Dr. Starbranch.

On July 20, Andrea put a knife to her neck and begged her husband to let her die (suicidal behaviour - not normal).

Warned About the Risks of Having More Babies :

Andrea was again hospitalized and stayed in a catatonic state ( a well-known schizophrenic condition) for 10 days.

After being treated with an injection of different drugs that included Haldol, an anti-psychotic drug, her condition immediately improved.

Rusty was optimistic about the drug therapy because Andrea appeared more like the person he first met.

Dr. Starbranch warned the Yates that having another baby might bring on more episodes of psychotic behavior.

Andrea was placed on out-patient care and prescribed Haldol.

New Hopes for the Future :

Andrea's family urged Rusty to buy a home instead of returning Andrea to the cramped space of the bus.

He purchased a nice home in a peaceful neighborhood.

Once in her new home, Andrea's condition improved to the point that she returned to past activities like swimming, cooking and some socializing.

She was also interacting well with her children. She expressed to Rusty that she had strong hopes for the future but still viewed her life on the bus as her failure (a warning sign that went unnoticed).

The Tragic End:

In March of 2000, Andrea, on Rusty's urging, became pregnant and stopped taking the Haldol.

On November 30, 2000, Mary was born.

Andrea was coping but on March 12, her father died (stress precipitates psychotic episodes) and immediately her mental state digressed.

She stopped talking, refused liquids, mutilated herself, and would not feed Mary.

She also frantically read the Bible.

By the end of March Andrea returned to a different hospital.

Her psychiatrist, Dr. Mohammed Saeed, treated her briefly with Haldol but discontinued it, saying that she did not did not seem psychotic.

Andrea was released only to return again in May.

She was released in 10 days and in her last follow-up visit with Saeed, she was told to think positive thoughts and to see a psychologist.

Two days later, Rusty left for work and before his mother arrived to help, Andrea began to put into action the thoughts that had consumed her for two years.

Andrea filled the tub with water and beginning with Paul, she systematically drowned the three youngest boys, then placed them on her bed and covered them. Mary was left floating in the tub. The last child alive was the first born, seven-year-old Noah. He asked his mother what was wrong with Mary, then turned and ran away. Andrea caught up with him and as he screamed, she dragged him and forced him into the tub next to Mary's floating body.

He fought desperately, coming up for air twice, but Andrea held him down until he was dead. Leaving Noah in the tub, she brought Mary to the bed and laid her in the arms of her brothers.

During Andrea's confession she explained her actions by saying that she wasn't a good mother and that the children were "not developing correctly" and she needed to be punished.

Her controversial trial lasted three weeks. The jury found Andrea guilty of capital murder, but rather then recommending the death penalty, they vorted for life in prison. At the age of 77, in the year 2041, Andrea will be eligible for parole.


Had she received the care her condition demanded, this tragedy might have been averted. It appears that every social and medical agency failed her, resulting in an awful tragedy.

At the trial, Yates' mother-in-law, Dora Yates, was called to testify.

She cried when she was asked to identify Yates, referring to her as, "her precious daughter-in-law."

Prosecutors repeatedly asked Dora Yates about Andrea Yates' mental condition. Dora Yates, who was helping her daughter-in-law care for the children at the time they were drowned, described Andrea Yates as, "almost catatonic.

She trembled, scratched her head until she was bald in spots, bit her lip and didn't eat."

Owmby then asked Dora Yates, "You knew Andrea knew the difference between right and wrong?"

Dora Yates answered, "Not in the state she was in."

On Monday, Knapp said the 37-year-old mother had wet hair and clothes when they arrived at her house. He discovered four small bodies under a sheet in a bedroom. A fifth child was found in the bathtub.

"She was standing behind me, and I didn't hear her cry" or show emotion, Knapp said.

Yates' lawyer that evidence will show the woman's mind was so clouded by psychosis that she didn't know what she was doing, let alone that it was wrong.

"Postpartum depression with psychotic features ... is the cruelest and most severe of mental illnesses," Parnham said.

"It takes the very nature and essence of motherhood -- to nurture, to protect and to love -- and changes the reality."

Prosecutors agree she suffered from a mental illness but contend Yates was aware her actions were wrong when she held each of her children under water until they stopped breathing, then called 911 to summon police.


Famous People and Schizophrenia

There are relatively few famous people with schizophrenia because schizophrenia is a brain disease that typically strikes people when they are quite young - age 17 to 28.

People this age typically are too young to be famous, they are just starting out their professional lives after finishing off school or college.

A recent Nobel Laureate in Economics, John Forbes Nash Jr., has a lifetime history of Schizophrenia but is now doing very well, as has been well documented in the book "A Beautiful Mind" and the academy award-winning movie of the same name.

Many "historical diagnoses" are frequently not entirely certain -- a "good guess" for schizophrenia includes Mary Todd Lincoln, wife of President Abraham Lincoln.

Following is a list of famous people who have been diagnosed with schizophrenia, or are highly suspected of suffering from schizophrenia.

Vincent van Gogh - Artist (pixit)
Tom Harrell, Jazz Musician
Meera Popkin, Broadway Star
John Nash - Mathematician/Nobel Prize Winner
Andy Goram - Scottish Soccer Player/Goal Keeper
Lionel Aldridge - Superbowl-winning Football Player
Peter Green, Guitarist for the band Fleetwood Mac
Syd Barrett of the band Pink Floyd
Alexander "Skip" Spence and Bob Mosley - both members of the 1960's rock group Moby Grape (and Jefferson Airplane for Skip Spence)
Roger Kynard "Roky" Erickson, of the Austin-based 1960's group The Thirteenth Floor Elevators
Joe Meek - 1960's British record producer
James Beck Gordon (Jim Gordon) - James Gordon had been, quite simply, one of the greatest drummers of his time
Charles "Buddy" Bolden - Jazz Musician
Antoin Artaud - Dramatist, Artist
Mary Todd Lincoln, wife of Abraham Lincoln (past-President of the United States)
Vaclav Nijinsky, Famous Russian Dancer


Based on a real person, the film "A Beautiful Mind" brought schizophrenia into the public eye, as it depicted the story of the progression of the illness and the possibility of leading a productive life with this disorder.

Schizophrenia is one of the most debilitating and most misunderstood mental disorders. It has a devastating effect on those who have the condition and on their families and friends, both because of the severe effects and because of misconceptions and stigma associated with it.

What is schizophrenia?

Schizophrenia is generally believed to be a brain disorder, just as other disorders such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's or Multiple Sclerosis. Schizophrenia appears to be a failure of the brain's chemical or electrical systems to function properly, resulting in a variety of unusual neural twists, such as disjointed ideas, confused or disconnected thoughts, and sounds or other sensations experienced as real when they exist only in the person's mind.

Unfortunately, the symptoms of schizophrenia may be bizarre to both the sufferer and to others, while movies and popular books have tended to pass along incorrect information.

Because of this, there are many common misconceptions about schizophrenia. For example:

- schizophrenia is NOT a "split personality"
- people with schizophrenia are NOT automatically violent criminals
- schizophrenia is NOT caused by bad parenting or character flaws
- schizophrenia is NOT an isolated condition: estimates are that 1 in 100 people in the United States may have the disorder.

The onset of schizophrenia is most commonly from age 16-25. Ethnicity and economic status do not seem directly related.

Scientists still are unsure of the exact cause, and it may be that more than one causal factor is involved. Causes under investigation include:

- difference in brain chemistry (there may be an imbalance of the brain's neurotransmitters, the naturally existing chemicals that assist in cellular communication)
- difference in brain structure (brain scans indicate some similarities in the structure of the brains of schizophrenics, which are different from non-schizophrenic brains)
genetics (it occurs more often in those with a family history of schizophrenia)
developmental factors (such as a viral infection that occurs while in the womb)

Even if research finds that differences in the structure or chemistry of the brain are sources of schizophrenia, there still remains the mystery of what caused these differences to occur.

Signs of schizophrenia vary from person to person, and even within the same person. Not every person with schizophrenia will have all of these symptoms. A combination of these symptoms, accompanied by a decline in functioning for at least six months, is needed to diagnose schizophrenia:

Delusions: false ideas that a person has about him or herself or surroundings (such as receiving special messages from the TV or radio, having unusual powers that no one else has, or being singled out for persecution).

Hallucinations: sensations that are heard, seen, smelled, or felt that a person experiences while others do not (the most common hallucination is auditory-hearing voices talking negatively about the person or sometimes giving commands for dangerous behavior; however, not everyone with schizophrenia hears voices).

Disrupted thoughts and behavior: trouble concentrating and maintaining a train of thought (conversation might not make sense-may respond to queries with a seemingly completely unrelated answer; or sentences that start with one topic and end somewhere completely different); unpredictable or erratic behavior.

Negative symptoms: an absence of what is normally noted in the general population: lack of interest in previously enjoyable activities, not taking care of oneself, social withdrawal, and blunted affect (restricted facial expressions and emotions).

Schizophrenics frequently develop problems with alcohol or drugs, which are often used in an attempt to self-medicate, to relieve symptoms. This may lead to a condition known as a dual diagnosis. In addition, they may also be heavy smokers, a complicating situation as cigarette smoke can interfere with the effectiveness of medications prescribed for the disorder.

Symptoms of schizophrenia can also be caused by other conditions, making it difficult to distinguish:

~ a general medical condition
~ substance abuse
~ bipolar disorder (manic phase)
~ schizoaffective disorder (changes in mood, such as depression and mania, along with symptoms of schizophrenia that remain even when mood is stable)

The distinction with schizophrenia, however, is that the symptoms are still present even when the person's mood is stable or a drug is not being used.

Think of schizophrenia as similar to a chronic medical condition like diabetes: although currently there is no cure, with proper medication and care, it can be treated and managed. With advances in research and treatment, many persons with schizophrenia are able to lead independent lives.

Treatment generally involves several components:

* a correct diagnosis by a psychiatrist, who can rule out other possible conditions causing symptoms
* medication to assist brain cells in more effective communication (common treatment, with monitoring by a psychiatrist to determine the best combination of medications)
* psychoeducation (learning about the disorder and the need for regular and consistent treatment, which usually includes prescribed medications)
* psychotherapy (talking with a psychiatrist, psychologist, or other counselor about feelings, fears, and management of behaviors)· psychosocial therapy (re-learning how to interact with others)
* vocational and social rehabilitation (learning new skills for independent living, if possible)
* support groups (meeting with others who live with this disorder, to reduce isolation and improve coping skills)

Schizophrenia can be a very costly condition to treat, often requiring repeated hospitalizations. Because of difficulties with thinking and judgment, people with schizophrenia are frequently unemployed or have lower paying jobs where insurance often is not included.

Depending on the situation, persons with schizophrenia may qualify for SSI, SSDI, Medicare, or Medicaid.

Knowing about rights in getting treatment is a big step in ensuring the best care.

A psychiatric social worker or case manager is often assigned to assist the person with the complications of coverage.

Most of the medical community views schizophrenia as a brain disease that requires the use of medications to balance faulty brain chemistry.

However, there is a vocal minority, both physicians and patients, who do not agree.

They point out that the cause has not been definitively proven and that the treatment may be ineffective or might do more harm than good in some people.

Alternative theories about cause generally focus on vitamin, mineral or amino acid deficiencies, as well as food allergies, with corresponding treatments.

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/schizophrenia_symptom.htm

The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) is a nonprofit, self-help, support and advocacy organization of those with severe mental illness and their family and friends. This fact sheet provides an overview of schizophrenia, including discussion of medications and side effects.

The National Mental Health Association (NMHA) is a nonprofit organization that works to improve mental health through advocacy, education, research and service. This is a fact sheet with general information about schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia in Children from American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry describes symptoms in children which may be different from those in adults.

The National Institute for Mental Health (NIMH) provides a comprehensive overview discussing causes, symptoms, diagnosis, treatment and current research on schizophrenia.

Coping with schizophrenia

NAMI offers many resources for schizophrenics and their families, such as:

- a list of current medications for schizophrenia (along with other mental illnesses)
- additional information on some of the medications used to treat schizophrenia and their side effects
- a useful factsheet outlining some of the types of psychosocial therapy available
- a fact sheet on Social Security and Disability Benefits.

The American Psychiatric Association also has a fact sheet on medications used to treat mental disorders, including schizophrenia.

NMHA has a fact sheet entitled: Finding the Right Mental Health Care for you.

Support groups, information lines, and other resources

NAMI has a toll free HelpLine at 1-800-950-NAMI (6264). Here, you can get more information about schizophrenia, talk with someone who is a family member or who has the disorder, and get more information on how to reach a local support organization.

The NMHA Resource Center (1-800-969-NMHA (800-969-6642 ), TTY line for the hearing impaired: 1-800-433-5959), is a resource for information on mental illnesses and treatments, and referrals for local treatment services. 340 affiliates nationwide, accessible through NMHA's affiliate directory, provide services such as support groups, rehabilitation, socialization, and housing services.

Schizophrenia.com has a lively online community for schizophrenia. The discussion boards include areas for those diagnosed with schizophrenia, parents, siblings and offspring, and are a good source of support.

The above provides general information about the signs of schizophrenia. Some sources for more in-depth information:

National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) has a 15-page information booklet in PDF format (if you don't have it already, you can get a free Adobe Acrobat download to view the booklet).

Schizophrenia: A Handbook For Families is a comprehensive Canadian resource describing the difficulties faced by both the schizophrenic person and the family, and discusses such aspects as police involvement, hospitalization and re-entry, independent living, and disappearance of the ill person. An extensive bibliography is included.

How to Get Social Security Disability provides useful step-by-step information.

This is one part of a comprehensive schizophrenia website that addresses practical issues such as shopping on a budget and care for caregivers, as well as discussing the symptoms, causes, etc.

There is also a "quiz" to identify famous schizophrenics in history. The site is sponsored by a pharmaceutical company, but with no push for the company or its products.

I hope this throws some light on subject a difficult to understand and about which there is much in popular thought that is dangerously wrong.

It is a mistake to form judgements based on emotional reactions, because these are shown to be almost always incorrect, and they lead only to further tragedies.

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/09/05:

Ronnie, I am not acquainted in any psychiatric, or psychological area, but I know that during the war, some soldiers, who did not wish to serve, faked certain psychological dilemmas. Most claimed to be schizophrenic, displaying delusions, and paranoia. Is it possible not to be schizophrenic, but pretend to be? I know that a few buddies of mine did that and they released them from duty and they bragged about it. How exactly do they determine whether someone is or not? I have also seen real cases, with friends, that were suffering from mental illness, but were put on drugs and became model citizens. I just wonder, if this woman who was a RN, refused to take her medications, and shock therapy, and planned on doing what she did for some time, waited for her husband to leave the house to drown her children, and then called him and the police to report it, sounds as if she knew that she did wrong. I also read that when she lived in the trailer and bus, she was miserable, but the article said that she got much better after her husband purchased a house. She and her husband were told not to have children, yet, they both disregarded the advice and had little Mary. Her husband said that she tried suicide and he found her standing with a knife to her throat, and then took her to the hospital, where they kept her for a few days. However, there were no markings of self mutilation on her body. It all sounds a little too planned by both her husband as well as herself, for my taste. Is there any way that doctors can really determine, with special tests, like brain scans or blood work, or whatever, if someone is telling the truth or not? Forgive me for asking, but can any professional, just based on someone's demeanor and words, truly diagnose that the person is schizophrenic or not? I read your post, it was very informative, but that question keeps nagging me. Being that you dealt with patients you probably know the answer. Thanks. :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 01/07/05 - Why are you telling me I do not believe in God?

I did not say I believe that Aliens put us here. I was just stating that of which some people believe. God created all things, but say out of some chance we were created by intelligent creatures from elsewhere. What is God's purpose in them. We all have a purpose.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/08/05:

I was fascinated in this concept since I was a young lad, but throughout my life I have not met even one who was not in the human form. Darn! Dreams of a young child shattered. Perhaps when God calls me out of this planet, my sci-fi curiosity will be fulfilled. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/07/05 - Discussion about Donation and Countries Involved in the disaster.

What do you think about this? In the countries that were effected by the latest disasters its unbelievable how much money has been donated for the relief. These are poor countries.

Had a discussion with somebody that these poor areas, the reason why they have been so poor is because their governments are very rich. They make their own people poor so they can become very rich. Also are all these donations, do you really believe that all of the donations are actually going to make it for the rebuilding or do you think it will go towards the governments to make them even richer.

Do you think all the money is going for the right cause?

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/08/05:

Joe, we have to investigate which organization give directly to the people in need. Yes, there is a lot of greed in this world, but it is my hope that the monies will be watched carefully and not too much will go into the wrong pockets. However, at this time we have to believe in humanity and not dwell on what if? I think that most of what was donated will help enrich the lives of the many who have lost so much. Your Cypbergramps. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/07/05 - Who is the greatest?

Who do you think is the greatest in your eyes? Appreciate all of your responses.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/08/05:

Everything that God created is the greatest. From the most beautiful flower, to the oceans and the meadows. To the maimed and the flawed. Everything in His creation is the greatest. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/07/05 - Religion and war :-: War and religion


What were the religious causes of the Second World War?


jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/08/05:

As far as I recall it was the Vatican. In Germany, the Papal Nuncio in Berlin, Msg. Pacelli and Franz von Papen, who were friendly with the Pope, encouraged a union with Rome and concentrated on the overthrow of the Weimar Republic. The German were opposed to Nazism, but were told that the Pope himself was friendly towards Hitler. So the Catholic Zentrum axis of all parliamentary majorities, voted full rights to Hitler in 1933. Same thing happened in Italy by the concluding of a Concordat which was advantageous to the Roman Church. The German Episcopate swore an allegiance to the Furher and the Catholic Youth organization combined with the Nazis, encouraged others to get Hitler into power.
So, in essence the Vatican helped Hitler to gain power and then helped him get his grip on Germany. They did it by advising the Catholics of Germany to vote for the Nazi candidate. That very vote gave Hitler the majority that he needed to legally form a government in 1933. The Vatican ordered Catholic members of the Reichstag Parliament to support Hitler and give him the power to rule by decree. This gave Hitler the dictatorial power he needed to destroy the German Communists. The Vatican-Hitler bargain had been conducted in secret even before Hitler became Chancellor of Germany, giving him the power to eliminate the German Communists. In 1933 Hitler and the Vatican signed a concordat under the terms of which the church pledged allegiance to the Nazi regime. Catholic Franz von Papen who was the second in command to Hitler, was the essence of the Hitler-Vatican alliance. "The Third Reich" he quoted, "is the first power which not only recognizes, but puts into practice, the high principles of the Papacy."
Hitler himself admits that he was helped by the methods of the Jesuit counterreformation to carry his ideological war. Catholicism's open support of the steps taken by Nazi-Facism to impose authoritarian regimes upon all peoples.
History places the Catholic-Jesuit menace at the very heart of the Hitler regime. It was Von Papen and the Catholic Zentrum party that got Hitler the power. To show his gratitude for the support to get him into power his Third Reich he made it a model of papal principles at their worst. Hitler was a pawn in the hands of the Jesuits of the papacy. Since World War I Germany was reduced to nothing because of the Treaty of Versailles. The Vatican helped Hitler to regain Germany to a more prosperous country. So, in essence, the Vatican gave power to a lunatic who ravaged the world and slaughtered millions of innocent people. The Jews were not his primary religious group of people, but his most hated. So, he went after them and then after everyone that did not meet his Aryan race theory. He was a little man, with a lot of power, and he should never have gotten to be allowed to become the monster that he became. This is how I know it. I don't think that the Vatican ever knew what they did. Hitler was an atheist, a murderer, and if there is a Satan he was the epitome of evil.


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paraclete asked on 01/07/05 - Where is it all at?

I'm very much reminded in the words of song by Don Francisco that we often miss the mark. In the last two weeks Christians have bben given an opportunity to hit the mark. Some have responded magnificiently. In that response they have given the Proof of the Spirit within, of the God that is there.

Have you observed that this has also given the Proof of where God is not found?



The Proof by Don Francisco
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The offering's down, the crowds have gone
Hustled by hucksters, ripped off by the cons
It's one more show, so flip the dial
Give up the real and settle for style

Just open your ears to the people you meet
Even the name is a joke on the street
A cynic's laugh, they turn away
Why should they believe
What your trying to say?

We don't need another talkin' head
We don't need another pro
So what if we do it as well as the world
If they just see another show?

We light the candle, we ring the bell
Playing the roles that we learned so well
Hungry, but blind to why and how
Still we keep feeding that sacred cow

We don't need another driven man
We don't need a clanging gong
So what if we do it as well as the world
When they've done it that way all along?
Where is the life that is real to the touch
When somebody needs a hand?
Maybe after you've stopped the bleeding
You can show them the promised land

Like the unbelieving brothers of Jesus
Those voices are whisperin' to you
"If you're really filled with the Spirit
Go show the world what you can do!"

The public prayers, the TV show
They're all well and good, as far as they go
But those outside will hide their pain
'Til you show them your love
When there's nothing to gain

We don't need a star of the stage or the screen
We don't need another pro
So what if we do it as well as the world
If they just see another show?

Where is the heart of compassion
That answers the cry of despair?
In the hand that is moved by the Spirit
Is the proof of the God who is there

In the hand that is moved by the Spirit
Is the proof of the God who is there

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/07/05:

Very, very nice. Didn't know that you liked Don Francisco. This is one of my favorites.

All The World He Made Is Good
by Don Francisco

In beginning was the Word
And He spoke and made the world
Then He filled the sky with light
And He saw that it was good

Land and sea then living things
Teemed and swarmed and multiplied
And all of life lived as it should
And God said that it was good

Yes He said that it was good
Bird and beast and rock and wood
Let this truth be understood
All the world He made is good

Man and women stood serene
Walked with God in gardens green
God blessed all His hands had made
And called it beautiful and good

Sit very still and look around
See the colors, hear the sound
Let all His love come shining through
'Cause your Father made it all for you
:)

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HANK1 asked on 01/06/05 - TO PARACLETE:



I'm very proud of you Aussies re: the way Australia responded to the disaster in Southeast Asia. $800 million ... quite an amount! Anyway, you're very much appreciated and respected by yours truly!

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/07/05:

It's great to hear something like this. Thanks for the site Math. :)

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bal317 asked on 01/06/05 - What do you think of Oprah?

How do any of you feel when Oprah made the announcement, because of someone she knew came up missing in this disaster, she hired retired Marine's to go look for her friends, friend?

Do any of you feel this was a selfish move?
What about the many other's who can't afford this type of help, and see's her doing such?
So should this seeings how they are only looking for this one person, been kept out of the media because of hurting other's feelings? Or do you think there's knowing to it and it's ok?
Thanks,
bal317

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/07/05:

I say good for Oprah. I hear that she is a very generous person, and I am sure that by sending a retired Marine to look for her friend, he might also help others. If she has the funds, which she herself earned, is admirable. All celebraties get negative as well as positive comments. In this case, I feel that through her trying to help a friend, she might help others. :)

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arcura asked on 01/06/05 - Who all is getting these e-mails? This is my 3rd today.

Was the waves and earthquake a consequence of nature or....
Purposely allowed to happen for divine retribution?
You decide.

Their sorrows shall be multiplied who hasten after another god.
(Psalm 16:4)
Do you suppose that these ... were worse sinners than all other ... because they suffered such things? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Luke 13:2-3)
And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. (Luke 21: 25-26)
For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. (Matthew 24:7-8)
Seeing the scenes of the terrifying devastation and sorrows that accompanied the earthquake and subsequent Tsunami - one felt like watching an end time scenario with great eschatological implications.

The Bible announces that these occurrences, which are bound to happen, are only the beginning of the sorrows.

It may be true that Atjee in Northern Sumatra, near the epicenter of this terrifying earthquake, was known for its fanatic Muslim character, desiring to be a purely Islamic independent state where believing Christians would only have been tolerated, if at all, as dhymmies; also that some of the resorts and beaches in Thailand and other places affected by this earthquake were places of sex and pleasure to which many Europeans and others flocked to serve their gods of pleasure, but as Jesus said, those who have as yet not been hit by disasters better repent of their lustful and anti-God ways lest in the near future they likewise will be swallowed up by disaster of all kinds. The whole earth is about to tremble - even the heavens above will be shaken as Isaiah the prophet clearly foretells:
Behold, the Lord makes the earth empty and makes it waste, distorts its surface and scatters abroad its inhabitants. And it shall be: As with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the creditor, so with the debtor. The land shall be entirely emptied and utterly plundered, for the Lord has spoken this word.
The earth mourns and fades away, the world languishes and fades away; the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, and those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left. (Isaiah 24:1-6)
Behold, the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and He will destroy its sinners from it. For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be darkened in its going forth, and the moon will not cause its light to shine.
I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will halt the arrogance of the proud, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold, a man more than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth will move out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts and in the day of His fierce anger. (Isaiah 13:9-13)
So as one looks at the terrifying scenes of the destruction wrought by this devastating earthquake and Tsunami, one feels a sense of foreboding just as with the collapse of the twin trade towers in New York - a foreshadowing of much, much worse to come also because the majority of people, even in the face of such disasters, refuse to change their ways - that this as Jesus said, is only the beginning of the sorrows soon to spill over the whole earth, in even much greater fashion.

The utter seriousness of the words of the Apostle Peter - so unlike many of the more easy going words of many of today's clergy sound therefore awesomely appropriate when he says:
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless, we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless. (2 Peter 3:10-14)
May that indeed be our desire as we have just entered this new year - may we indeed be found by Him in peace!

May God so bless us all!
Jan Willem van der Hoeven, Director
International Christian Zionist Center
P.S.
A godly pastor friend from Sri Lanka, from a region also hit by the Tsunami wrote:
All is well only by the grace of God. Five of our 7 churches are on the coastal belt of Sri Lanka, namely Jaffna, Batticaloa, Trincomalee, Mannar and Galle. When havoc unleashed in the TSUNAMI - wave all hell broke loose.
Over a million misplaced persons and the death toll is expected to rise from 18,603 to around 25,000! When we look at the debris of destruction around us, we praise God with a more than grateful heart that none of our 7churches have been affected at all and that none of our believers in any of the 7 churches suffered harm or loss! That speaks VOLUMES of the goodness of the God of Israel unto us. THANK YOU LORD!!!!
This all shows that God is able, when our time has not yet come, to save and protect us in the midst of any danger, just as he protected Rahab and her house in the midst of the destroyed city of Jericho in response to her love to the Lord and His people Israel.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/07/05:

Fred, I think that you should just hit "delete" and not read all the stuff that you get. I read the whole thing, rheumy eyes and all, and it seems that people are just trying to find religious reasons for what happened. Disasters are disasters. We have had them since the beginning of time, and they will continue. No matter if you are a believer or a none believer. :)

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Chilloutinparis asked on 01/06/05 - Xmas Holidays


I trust and hope that all had a splendid holiday with peace, delight and a cornucopia of joy!

Chip

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/07/05:

Thank you. Nice, quiet, family and peace. What more can one ask for? Hope that yours was splendid and that the New Year brings you much joy. :)

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arcura asked on 01/06/05 - My my, those naughty moralists have made his movie a flop.

Millions of bucks lost. What’s the secular world coming to?

LONDON - Director Oliver Stone said he was surprised by the critical reaction to his historical epic "Alexander" — and put the blame on the fundamentalist morality in some parts of the United States.
Critics lambasted the film, which stars Irish actor Colin Farrell, and some conservative groups condemned Stone's depiction of the Macedonian conqueror's sexuality.
"I was quite taken aback by the controversy and fierceness of the reviews about a character we don't really know too much about," Stone told reporters in London Wednesday before the film's British premiere.
"I operate on my passion and sometimes I'm naive, I don't think about the consequences," he said.
Stone said the commercial failure of "Alexander" in the United States could be linked to "a raging fundamentalism in morality."
"From day one audiences didn't show up," he said. "They didn't even read the reviews in the South because the media was using the words, `Alex the gay.' As a result you can bet that they thought, `We're not going to see a film about a military leader that has got something wrong with him.'"
Stone, director of "Platoon," "JFK" and "Natural Born Killers," said "Alexander" was "the epic of my life."

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/06/05:

I did not see it, but read reviews that the cast was not good, nor was the script. I happen to dislike Oliver Stone. That Alexander was gay is not today's news. However, maybe Oliver Stone overplayed it in the movie and it became offensive to some groups. But there have been worse movies put out with that subject and they were accepted. I think that you really cannot judge a movie until you see it. I am going, if my wife lets me, just because I happen to think that Ms. Jolie is a knock-out! Okay, I can still appreciate good looking women, right? :)

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sapphire630 asked on 01/06/05 - I heard the aliens here to fix the planet theory too

these people claim the aliens are us evolved in the future and coming back to preserve us so we don't become extinct before we evolve into them.
I guess we will be okay if they are here we musta survived since we end up becoming them so they can come back to fix our planet so we can evolve into them..........

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/06/05:

Is that why my complexion is green? Gee, and all the time I thought that it was Sandra giving me her special tea. Wait, if we are them, then who are they, oh, forgot, us! :) LOL!

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Geedubya84 asked on 01/05/05 - Hey

didja miss me????

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/06/05:

Don't know who you are so if you were here before I still could not have missed you 'cause never met you. Anyway, welcome. Are you friendly? :)

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sapphire630 asked on 01/05/05 - definition for a zen mathmetician

someone who measures square roots of trees that do not exist.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/06/05:

Ah, but why do you think that they do not exist? Just because you do not see them? Everything has something, something has everything, there is never a nonexistence, all has an existence, whether it is or not. Excuse me, I have to go, the nurse just brought in my psyche pills. :)

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paraclete asked on 01/05/05 - Is it a conspiracy or just lunacy?

Eco-weapon or alien? Dark forces at play...
January 6, 2005 - 2:09PM


Just 11 days after Asia's tsunami catastrophe, conspiracy theorists are out in force, accusing governments of a cover-up, blaming the military for testing top-secret eco-weapons or aliens trying to correct the Earth's "wobbly" rotation.

In bars and internet chatrooms around the world questions are being asked, with knowing nods and winks, about who caused the undersea earthquake off Sumatra on December 26, and why governments didn't act in the minutes and hours before tsunamis slammed into their shores, killing almost 150,000.

"There's a lot more to this. Why is the US sending a warship? Why is a senior commander who was in Iraq going there?" whispered designer Mark Tyler, drinking a pint of beer at a bar in Hong Kong's Wan Chai district.

"This happened exactly a year after Bam," said Tyler, referring to the earthquake in Iran which killed 30,000 on December 26 last year. "Is that a coincidence? And there was no previous seismic activity recorded in Sumatra before the quake, which is very strange," he said, nodding somberly.

After every globally shocking event - from the bombing of Pearl Harbour to the assassination of John F Kennedy, the death of Princess Diana and the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States - conspiracy theorists emerge with their own sinister take on events.

This time the Indian and US military are in the frame, while the governments of countries from Australia to Thailand stand accused of deliberately failing to act on warnings of the impending earthquake or the tsunamis it unleashed around Asia.

Among the more common suggestions is that eco-weapons which can trigger earthquakes and volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves were being tested. More outlandish theories include one that aliens caused the earthquake to try and correct the "wobbly rotation of the Earth".

Scientists give such theories short shrift.

"This was a natural disaster," said Dr Bart Bautisda, chief science research specialist at Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology, debunking the idea that an "eco-weapon" could be used to cause an earthquake or such large-scale tsunamis.

"You would need a very huge amount of energy. It's impossible. A billion tonnes could not do it," Bautisda said.

He said wave activity might be able to be triggered very close to the scene of a giant explosion, but the effect would be a tiny fraction of the tsunamis which travelled thousands of kilometres (miles) at the speed of a jet after tectonic plates shifted off Sumatra.

"It's possible to cause vibration, but not sufficient to cause disruption," he said.

"We can tell the difference between an artificial explosion and an earthquake," Bautisda said. "The mechanisms are different."

Scientific evidence, however, cuts little ice with many conspiracy theorists.

The internet - which has proved invaluable in dealing with the disaster by aiding rescues, providing witness accounts from bloggers and allowing grieving relatives to comfort each other through chatrooms - is abuzz with more sinister explanations.

The Free Internet Press, which claims to offer "uncensored news for real people", has an article saying the US military and the US State Department received advanced warning of the tsunami, but did little to warn Asian countries.

America's Navy base on the Indian Ocean jungle atoll of Diego Garcia was notified and escaped unscathed, it said, asking "why were fishermen in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand not provided with the same warnings?.

"Why did the US State Department remain mum on the existence of an impending catastrophe?," author Michel Chossudovsky pondered.

"Probably because fishermen in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand don't have multimillion dollar communications equipment handy," said one respondent as readers posted angry replies.

"Maybe rescuers will find Elvis and the gunman form the grassy knoll," jibed another, referring to those who believe Elvis Presley is still alive and that former US president Kennedy was shot by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald.

The India Daily's website joined the conspiracy theorists noting, "it seems the whole world decided to fail to do anything together at the same time. Are we missing something?

"Can it be that all the government agencies knew what was happening but were told not to do anything? Who told them? Or is this just a tragic coincidence?" wrote Sudhir Chadda, a correspondent.

"Recent alien contacts have been reported with the South Asian Governments especially India. UFO sightings have been rampant over the region affected," Chadda wrote.

"Some in Nicobar Island say that it was an experiment conducted by the alien extra-terrestrial entities to correct the wobbly rotation of the earth. And some of the Indian scientists are actually seeing that wobbly rotation of the earth has been corrected since the massive underwater earthquake and Tsunami."

In Hong Kong, Tyler laughed at the alien idea, but remained convinced humans had a hand in this disaster. "Wait and see. There will be a lot more to come out," he said.

AFP

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/06/05:

Maybe 'twas the earthbusters. Is this from one of those supermarket tabloids? :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/05/05 - Hello Arcura!

I just want to let you know I think your a wonderful person. Your kind and polite and respectful. Thank you for being you. Just a comment i would like to make.

God bless you and your family.

P.S. Just because i might not find some of the websites you mention or stories you mention not interesting I know your just asking for our opinions and i hope you do not take my answers personally.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/05/05:

Joe, you really are a remarkable young man and I am proud that you are my Cybergrandson. What you wrote to Arcura really touched me, as did one of his comments today. I know that I have done my share of joking around about the Molems, but it was all in fun and I hope that no one took it as offensive. Sometimes we have to walk the same path of another to fully understand him/her. You do me proud lad. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/05/05 - ***Political***


In view of the current reputation of the USA around the world - deserved or undeserved - would it not have been a wonderful opportunity for the President to have demonstrated American largesse without having first to be shamed into it?

The disaster was from the first known to have been both widespread and devastating.

What a missed opportunity to recover the good name of the US among other nations.

This is especially true among third world and emergent nations, but it would also have helped re-establish good relations with the USE nations.

What can the USA do NOW, before it is too late, to ensure that they are seen as much more than imperialist warmongers - whether your think the US deserves that reputation or not?

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/05/05:

I think that it would be nice if the President and the Vice President,with their families, were to make individual donations, as have so many people from all over the world. Not as a government, but as an individual. If we can do it, why can't he and the members of his family? I don't think that would change the world's view of America, but it would be an example of goodwill, from a President whose popularity is steadily declining. :)

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sapphire630 asked on 01/05/05 - Now its wrong to get free blue bags

A recycling company in Chicago said they would give free blue grocery bags and wood chips to anybody bringing their Christmas trees to be recycled. A Bob Sherman said that that was unfair because then 'only Christians' would be benefiting from this.
How much knit-picking can some people do?
And since when do 'only Christians' buy Christmas trees? And why don't he just ask his friends or neighbors if one of them will let him recycle one of their trees if he wants the freakin' blue bags so bad?
I bet the grocery store would even give him extra bags if he asks, or I could mail him my over abundance of bags from grocery shopping.
Com'mon, Let's help this guy in his deprived blue bag dilemma.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/05/05:

I'll be more than happy to donate bags an' chips to Mr. Sherman. Only thing is mine are white, but they do have a blue drawstring. Think he will mind?

I know of a lot of none Christians that put up a tree of light during this season. I really feel sorry for this man, wish I had problems as big as he does. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/04/05 - A Christian looks at Immigration ...


I have not looked up the link Fred provided, but I read other experts' comments.

I don't like Nazis, KKK, any kind of Fascist, white supremists, bigots, prejudiced, political numbskulls, haters, and sewage rats that walk around on two legs.

Remember that most of the immigrants that came to the New World did so without the consent of the residents, and did not hesitate to slaughter them when they would not walk away from their lands.

Call me unrealistic and romantic, but since I was a callow youth I have believed in the free movement of people across national borders, and I still do.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


Meaningful words or just trash talk?

The same words now used against Asian and Hispanic immigrants, etc., were once employed by those who resolved never to let Catholics come to the USA in any numbers, motivated by the same unreasonable fears.

See if you can see the similarities:

Nurtured by anti-Catholic propaganda of previous decades, political American nativism burst forth in the 1840's.

In addition to the hatred of the Catholic Church, the fear of the economic, political and social threat of immigrants generally was responsible for the movement.

In 1842 new immigrants passed the hundred thousand mark, and five years later they had more than doubled.

Between 1830 and 1840 the immigrants amounted to only about 3 per cent of the total population, but in the following decade they were nearly 7 per cent.

The attacks upon the immigrants were as follows:

1. they were depriving American workers of jobs
2. depressing wages
3. they brought an increase in crime and bred lawlessness by their feuds and riots
4. they were idle paupers
5. a public burden
6. they were intemperate
7. lowered the moral tone of areas where they settled
8. they were ignorant
9. despotically trained and, consequently, 10. were unable to learn and contribute to the American form of government
11. they were heedless of civil restraint, promoting anarchy, radicalism, and revolution
12. they brought unprecedented political corruption
13. they voting in blocs and bartered their votes for favours.

Americans feared they would soon be ruled by foreigners, who only a few years before, scarcely knew America existed.

The preponderance of the foreign-speaking immigrants were Catholic, and many Americans feared they were part of a papal plot to capture America by force of immigration.

This fear had its primary origin in a series of lectures delivered by Friedrich Schlegel, adviser to Metternich, in 1828.

His lectures were to the effect that Protestantism favored democracy while Catholicism supported monarchy.

That European political upheavals were the result of the Reformation, and that the nursery of the destructive principles which threatened Europe was North America.

It remained to be inferred that democracy should be destroyed in North America by rounding Roman Catholic missions.

At the close of the lectures the Leopold Foundation was organized in Austria and spread to Hungary, Italy, Piedmont, Savoy and France.

In the United States the Leopold Foundation was denounced as a plot to build the power of Rome in America by encouraging emigration of Roman Catholics to the United States.

Once here, the Catholic immigrants were charged with continuing to owe primary loyalty to the priests, as was allegedly demonstrated by incidents where civil authorities could not quell Catholic mobs, but priests did so easily.

The belief that the Roman Catholics were a danger to America was accentuated, when, in 1840, they fought to obtain a share of public school money for their parochial schools.

Lengthy agitation resulted from the school question.

The discontent aroused by the propagandists found its political expression in the organization of Native American Parties.

Beginning in 1839 communities of the West and South began to form Native American associations, which gradually multiplied in numbers and influence.

The Democrats were viewed as having bartered their birthright for foreign votes.

The Whigs flirted with nationalistic ideas, but they refused to translate them into political action.

Consequently, the native groups felt compelled to establish a party of their own as an alternative to the two parties.

In New York, natives organized the American Republican Party in 1843, which polled an amazing eight thousand votes in the fall elections.

In the spring elections in 1844, American Republican candidates were swept into office in New York, and the party organization was expanded into other areas.

A national convention was called for September 1844, but it failed to establish a central organization.

However, the Whigs sought American Republican backing for their national ticket of Henry Clay and Theodore Frelinghuysen in exchange for Whig support for local nativist candidates.

As a result the nativistic ticket was completely victorious in New York City, and in Philadelphia, the other center where political nativism was well organized, three of the four Congressmen elected were advocates of American ideals.

Leaders of the American Republicans were encouraged by this success.

They organized a national convention on July 4, 1845, changed the name of the party to Native American, and issued an address calling for support for their anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant efforts.

However, new forces were already on the horizon which brought the eclipse of the nativistic party.

The party principles advocated by the American Republican party during its brief career were:

1) require twenty-one years' residency for naturalization (as required of the native born before receiving the right to vote),

2) restrict authority over naturalization to the federal courts,

3) reform party corruption.

Other minor aims were agitated, including the restriction of public office to natives, continuation of the Bible as a schoolbook, prevention of all union between the church and state, reduction of street riots, and a guarantee of freedom of worship.

The party accomplished little toward these goals, although New York did change its immigration laws in 1847 and the importation of pauper immigrants was restricted.

"Send me your poor ... "

The Native Americans participated in riots in Philadelphia in 1844, resulting in bloodshed, property destruction, and church and home burning.

This caused a wave of revulsion against the nativists, and their ranks were depleted. The country became absorbed in new issues while nativism entered several years of quiescence, from which it was to emerge with the development of the Know Nothing party.

The Know Nothing party had its origin in the establishment of a secret patriotic society, the Order of the Star Spangled Banner, in New York in 1849.

The order was designed secretly to support the more nativistically inclined candidates of both major parties.

In April, 1852, James w. Barker obtained control and the order grew rapidly having some influence in municipal elections that year, but operating still as a hidden political force.

In 1852 Franklin Pierce was elected President.

Both Whigs and nativists attributed this Democratic victory largely to the foreign vote, which helped to stimulate further growth of the order.

An efficient nationwide political machine was constructed with district, county, state and national councils operating variously in their own jurisdictions.

The order continued its secrecy, partly to avoid the opprobrium attached to nativistic societies after the Philadelphia riots, and partly because fraternal societies and the Order of United Americans had demonstrated wide appeal for secret groups.

Consequently, there were grips, passwords, signs, phrases of recognition, signals of distress, and other formulas charming to curious Americans.

It was this secrecy and unwillingness of members to admit any knowledge of the activities of the order which caused Horace Greeley to dub the group the Know Nothing Party, which became its appelation.

To be admitted to the first degree of membership, American-born Protestants of Protestant families swore to use their influence to exclude foreigners and Roman Catholics from public office, to renounce other party allegiance, to support the nominees favored by the order for public office, and to work persistently for a change in the naturalization laws.

"and the land of the free ... "

Holders of the second degree were eligible for office within the order, and for public office as well.

Although members of the Know Nothings disagreed on many issues, they were united in their overriding hatred of Catholicism, even to the extent of admitting some foreign-born Protestants into the organization.

In 1854 and 1855 the party achieved phenomenal success in striking down foreign born and Catholic candidates from both parties' tickets.

In many cases whole slates of men who had not been nominated were written in and elected.

In support of the no-popery cause, about seventy-five Congressmen were sent to Washington.

It was widely expected that the new American Party, as the Know Nothings were officially called, would win the presidency in 1856.

In addition to the growth of a sincere nativist movement, there were two other factors which contributed to the striking success of the party.

The first was the party dispersion.

The dozens of parties in the field in 1854 and 1855 included

Democratic,
Know Nothing,
Anti-Nebraska,
People's,
Free Soil,
Temperance,
Rum-Democrat,
Whig,
Adopted Citizen, and even
Know Something.

The unity of the Know Nothings might have meant little in a normal election, but it was invaluable with such scattered opposition.

Even more than the party confusion, the growing importance of the slavery question' helped the Know Nothings to succeed.

The passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854 stimulated a controversy to be settled only by the Civil War.

The weaker of the traditional parties, the Whigs, died a speedy death during this storm, and many Northern Democrats opposed the Democratic popular sovereignty doctrine.

This left a vacuum for many citizens, who drifted into the Know Nothing party, which was neutral on the slavery question and loudly promised to preserve the union.

Equally influential in bringing the Know Nothing victories was the propaganda build up of the previous decades which was at its height in the early 1850's.

The upper classes had been won to the cause by the American Protestant Society, the American and Foreign Christian Union, and church sermons.

The lower classes had been recruited by inflammatory lectures, street preachers, and a persistent outpour of propaganda in newspapers and books.

However, the almost complete failure of the Congress or the state legislatures, controlled by the Know Nothings, to carry into effect the measures advocated by the anti-foreign and anti-Catholic propagandists contributed to a surprising decline of the Know Nothing organization.

Other factors which contributed to the downfall of this once burgeoning party were violence and bloodshed--for which the Know Nothings received more than their share of the blame and stigma; criticism and ridicule of the party's secrecy; and internal dissension.

Finally, interest on the Catholic question was dissipated because of the focus of interest on the slavery question, due to the repeal of the Missouri Compromise and the tales of "Bleeding Kansas."

By the middle of 1855 the nation was divided into two warring camps, which the Know Nothing party, built on a basis of union and nationalism, could not survive.

The nebulous fears of foreign influence and papal invasion were generally forgotten in the new crisis.

The anti-Catholic literature, which was so effective in building up prejudice against Catholics, centered on three broad allegations.

These were:

1) that Catholicism was not Christianity but an idolatrous religion;

2) that popery was, irreconcilable with American democratic institutions; and

3) that the Catholic Church had very low morality.

In order to prove Catholicism to be unchristian, such doctrines as

transubstantiation,
worship of saints,
purgatory,
extreme unction,
penances, and
confession

were vigorously attacked as unscriptural man-made doctrines designed to increase the power and wealth of the priesthood.

Also attacked were,

elaborate clerical garb,
impressive ceremony of mass,
feasts,
processions, and
holy water.

Miracles were branded as superstition.

As part of the charge that this powerful religion was inconsistent with American free institutions, it was said that Catholicism was intimately connected with monarchy and that the papal system itself was despotic with the Pope, through the hierarchy, having power over the most humble worshipper.

History was luridly painted to show that wherever Catholicism had been in power, liberty had vanished through the inquisition, the massacre of Protestants, and the indexus expurgatus.

It was charged that the hierarchy were compelled to swear to yield nothing to "principalities or powers," and that, for Catholics, the Pope's authority was superior to any political authority.

Furthermore, it was alleged, once Catholics were in the ascendency, they would grasp control of temporal authority for their own ends, and would stamp out science, free press, free speech, and religious freedom.

In regard to morality, the Catholics presumably were willing to lie, steal, or murder for the benefit of their religion, expecting to be forgiven through the confessional.

The attack particularly centered, as in the later but equally hard fought Mormon issue, on alleged sexual immorality.

The Catholic priests' and nuns' failure to marry was as hard to accept as the Mormons' plural marriages.

Consequently flagrant novels depicted the plight of innocent Protestant girls who were snatched and placed in gloomy cells in a convent to supply the lecherous demands of the priests.

One of these novels by Charles W. Frothingham sold forty thousand copies the first week of publication and went through five editions.

Thus, priests were accused of using the confessionals to seduce both married women and young innocent girls.

The nunneries were regarded as popish brothels, and abortions and infant murders were popularly reported to have been carried out by the thousands.

Billington concluded that "these accounts of Catholic immorality were accepted without question by perhaps a majority of the evangelical Protestants in America."

The American Party was supported more solidly in the Northeastern, Yankee, states than in any other section.

In Massachusetts the Know Nothings in 1854 elected all of the State senators and all but two members of the State house of 376 members.

They won a similar victory in 1855.

A Know Nothing governor was elected with 63 per cent of the popular vote in the Bay State.

In addition to Massachusetts, Know Nothing majorities were elected in Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and New York in 1854 or 1855.

Next to the Northeast, the border states gave the greatest victory to the American Party.

In 1854 and 1855 it carried Delaware, Maryland, California, and Kentucky, and nearly added Tennessee and Virginia to this list.

The people in the border states feared the effects of serious sectional conflict and were attracted to the American Party partly because it appeared to be a compromise party.

The South had few Catholics, and most of them were long established.

However, the Southerners feared the increased political power which the North was attaining through immigration and resented the fact that many aliens were abolitionists.

In addition, many of the rural inhabitants of the South were taught by their Protestant ministers to fear Catholics.

The combination of this nativistic sentiment with the desire of many Southerners to settle the troublesome slavery question brought numerous near-victories for the Know Nothings throughout the South.

The least successful region for the American Party was the Northwest, partly because most of the immigrants who had settled there had become sober, hard-working farmers who belied the Know Nothing image of immigrants.

Same old story, same old lies, same old prejudice, but with different names and faces.

Rush Limbaugh and Adolph Schickelgruber must be proud.

As for mke and my house, we will serve the Lord and call every man brother and every woman sister without regard to nation, colour, creed, age, etc.

"If ye are not one, ye are not mine!"

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/04/05:

No one could have written it better. Great post Ronnie. :)

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sapphire630 asked on 01/04/05 - Worse than insensitive

I know some people say we should take care of our own country, blah, blah, blah,....but this radio talk show DJ that was filling in for Christmas to New Years
said, "Why do they (Tsunami victims) need that much money to rebuild straw huts?"
I could not believe a man in his profession (columnist for large Pittsburgh newspaper) is so limited in his comprehension. I can't believe he doesn't realize all the ID'ing, the make shift morgue, sanitation problems, medical, food, water, clothing, shelter, replacing passports, and everything they need before they even think about rebuilding.
He also insisted, "How can they charge Lisa Montgomery for kidnapping when she 'snatched a fetus'
Even after a few callers called saying that once the baby was breathing and she put it in her car, crossed county and state lines and presented the baby to friends as her baby this DJ could not comprehend why she is being sharged with kidnapping a baby.
I can not believe anybody can be so dense, everything he talked about he had the same 'don't have a clue' mentality. He was as serious as a heart attack too!

How do some people get where they are in life?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/04/05:

By using tragedies to enchance their ratings by saying negative, insensitive things. They are warped people who are addressing people who are probably just as bad as they are. If there would be no one to listen to the program, complain, they would have pulled him off pronto. People who do this are really sick. :)

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arcura asked on 01/04/05 - OK - Few thought much about the last link I offered ...

Please, your opionion on this one.

http://www.citizenslobby.com/

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/04/05:

It is a very disturbing site. I don't enjoy looking at bigotry in any form and that is what the site is about. I am one of those immigrants, a citizen for many years now, whose children were born here. Have the people who run this hateful site ever considered the fact that someone might be oppressed in their own country, be it for religious, monetary or whatever reason? What is wrong with their trying to come here, stay, raise their children and live in peace? I would not recommend it to anyone. That is what I think of this idiotic site. Hope that you feel the same way. Be in peace. :)

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ATON2 asked on 01/03/05 - Whence commeth evil???

Much has been asked, lately, of God's responsibility for evil. Bible literalists want us to believe that every word of the Bible must be taken as the inspired, inerrant word of God. But the word of God tells us God created evil!!!!! Isaiah 6 ff:
"That they may know from
the rising of the of the sun,
and from the west,
That there is none beside Me;
I am the Lord, and there is none else;
I form the light, and create darkness;
I make peace, AND CREATE EVIL;
I am the Lord, that doeth all these things."
[Masoretic text: 8th century]. Jewish Publication
Society of America]

Later translations have tried to soften the blow by
Changing "evil" to "woe"...but they are simply whistling in the dark.

What think ye????? Was Isaiah inspired to tell the truth??? Or did he overstate???? Do we take the Bible literally, or not?????

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/04/05:

I believe that God did not create evil, but He does allow evil to dwell in men. If God had not allowed us the possibility of evil, mankind would be serving God out of obligation, and not choice. He wanted us to have that free will to be able to choose whether we wanted to believe in Him or not. I read scripture very carefully, and cross reference it. There have been so many translations, and so many errors, that it takes time to come to your own conclusions. To me it is not every single word, but sort of a spiritual guide to a better life. I have been taught from a very young age, not to take every single thing out of any religious book and consider it fact. As my dear Mum used to say, add a little salt, dilute it, add pepper, and if it still does not taste good, start from scratch. That is how I learned that I feel most comfortable with my being a Christian. Even though there are no historical facts, basically nothing, I still choose to believe for it gives me peace and comfort. :)

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ETWolverine asked on 01/03/05 - Follow up to Paraclete's "Sick" Posts

New York Post
WAVE RAT

By LEONARD GREENE

January 3, 2005 -- A woman who donated a coveted Web site address to what she thought was a fund-raising organization for tsumani victims claims she was scammed by a college student who tried to sell the domain for $50,000.

Michelle Tirado, of Southbury, Conn., said she was shocked to see the domain for sale on eBay - after she gave it away, thinking it would be used to raise money for victims of the devastating earthquake and tsunamis that killed nearly 150,000 in Southeast Asia last week.

"I'm just shocked," said Tirado, 38, a free-lance journalist. "This is not right. I would never have given that to him if I knew in advance he was going to sell it."

As charity coffers worldwide begin to fill with billions of dollars in the wake of the catastrophe, relief-agency and law-enforcement officials said ghouls and scam artists are wasting no time cashing in on the calamity.

Officials said they have not busted anyone yet for relief-fund fraud, but expressed doubts about the growing number of Internet sites and individual fund-raisers allegedly raising money for victims.

Tirado admits she registered the name tsunamirelief.com with the idea of turning a profit herself — until the death toll began to climb.

But even before she had a change of heart, her asking price was only $99. Tirado said she donated the site to Canadian college student Josh Kaplan.

Kaplan allegedly tracked down Tirado, claiming to represent "Tsunami Relief International," and said it was a nonprofit — even though no such nonprofit exists. He told her he and other designers would create a Web site to collect donations.

"Of course, I am doing this for nonprofit, so I won't be able to pay you for the site," Kaplan wrote in the e-mail obtained by The Post. "It would be an extremely generous donation to the cause if you do decide to donate it."



Tirado transferred the domain name to him, but instead of seeing him solicit funds with the site, she was shocked that he put it up for sale on eBay — with a starting bid of a staggering $50,000.

Kaplan, 20, said he's studying design and lives at home with his parents. He claims he was planning to donate the proceeds to charity, but admitted he didn't share with Tirado his plans to sell the site.

He immediately pulled the auction from eBay after being contacted by The Post. An eBay spokesman could not be reached for comment.

"There's no potential scam involved," Kaplan said before yanking the item. "I'm auctioning it to raise money for relief."

At least two other tsunami-related domain names were for sale on eBay. The highest starting bid was $99.

Hundreds of thousands of people have donated money online, and relief agencies are warning potential donors to be wary of emotional appeals and to avoid requests from telemarketers and e-mails.

Reputable Web sites should also include phone numbers for donors to get information on the charities.

"The best thing is to go to trusted organizations," said Leslie Gottlieb, a spokeswoman for the American Red Cross in Greater New York.

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There are some real sick people out there. Please, give; the victims need your help. But know WHO you are giving to. Getting conned doesn't do the victims or YOU any good.

Elliot

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/03/05:

It is disgusting that people take monetary advantage of tragedy. But, as we all know, this is not the first time, nor will it be the last. We, who donate, should know which organizations to donate to and not fall for scams that are abundant not only on the internet, but even from people on the street, carrying little cans with Tsunami Fund written on them. I have seen it with my own eyes, as they count out the money that was given to them and head for the nearest pub. How sad that even during this tragic time we have to be on guard as to who to trust and who to be careful of. Thanks for the post.

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Saladin asked on 01/03/05 - Muslims and Mormons Flying Aid to Southern Asia ...


SALT LAKE CITY — More than 70 tons of medical supplies, hygiene kits, clothing and shoes will be flown to Indonesia to aid tsunami disaster victims in a partnership effort by Islamic Relief Worldwide and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

A chartered MD-11 cargo plane was loaded in Salt Lake City for a New Year’s Day flight to Medan on the island of Sumatra in northern Indonesia. Islamic Relief Worldwide is paying the shipping costs. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is providing 143,000 pounds of in-kind aid. Distribution in the disaster area will be directed by both organizations.

This joint effort continues a partnership between Islamic Relief Worldwide and the Church that began in the summer of 2003 with a shipment of aid to the long-suffering people of Iraq. Other joint shipments have included aid for flood victims in Bangladesh and for those suffering in the current crisis in Sudan.

Islamic Relief USA President and CEO Mr. Ahmad El Bendary joined Bishop Richard C. Edgley, first counselor in the Presiding Bishopric of the Church, in overseeing the load-out of the shipment at the Salt Lake International Airport.

This joint shipment is part of a four-pronged response by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to relieve suffering in southern Asia. The first priority is accurate assessment to match resources to needs. Secondly, immediate needs are being met by in-country purchases and air shipments of urgently needed supplies. A third prong of response will be to send containers of follow-up supplies by ship and other surface transportation. The fourth area of Church response will be to address long-term needs.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/03/05:

This is what our world should be and it seems really is about. No matter what someone's belief or none belief is, humans coming to the aid of others. That is the comfort that the people of the Tsunami are seeing and feeling. And we, those who were not in harms way, see that if it should happen to us, there will be many who will do the same thing for us. That is why I never see the doom of the end coming, it is just a reinforcement of what humanity,the majority, is all about.To read that two different religions, coming together, to help others, is a light that shines through all. Nice post Ronnie. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/03/05 - Advice: the cheapest current coin - (Ambrose Bierce)

Hank raises an interesting point about reading Bible verses to victims of the Tsunami.

Although I believe that such an exercise is futile and unwelcome in their present circumstances, I was wondering what verse you might - theoretically - quote that would bring them comfort and hope in their appalling circumstances.

Also, what verse do you recommend that Christians who are not in the areas hit by the Tsunami could conform their lives to today that would help the Tsunami victims.

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/03/05:

These are three that come to mind. For those who are suffering and for us as well.

Corinthians 4:8-10 We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body.


Matthew 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn for they shall be comforted.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

However, sometimes during such adversity it is hard to believe in anything but the immediate needs and the mourning of loved ones.

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Mathatmacoat asked on 01/02/05 - Is God to Blame?

There has been a lot of talk about how God is the cause of the earthquake and Tsunami. Personally, I don't think God would deliberately do such a thing without warning us first, but what do you think?

This article gives some of the view points.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Tsunami-leads-to-debate-over-Gods/2005/01/03/1104601275300.html

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/02/05:

No, God is not to be blamed. As Sal already explained, there are faults in the earth. That this happened, it is not the first time. It was an act of nature, a terrible disaster, but we cannot blame God for it. From all that I have read on the subject, there was no certain warning, however, there were the usual feelings of it could happen sometime. But people have to live and make a living somewhere. The areas are highly populated, many are tourist areas, and people live where they live. It has happened and we should do everything that we can, to see to it that these people get the proper help. I think that we should not question "why?" But what can we do to help and how to, in the future, be able to foresee these things before they again kill so many.

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paraclete asked on 01/02/05 - It gets sicker quicker?

Tsunami donation email scam
From correspondents in Hong Kong
January 3, 2005

EMAILS falsely asking for donations for victims of last week's killer tsunami are doing the rounds in Hong Kong.

Police and charity workers said today the fraudulent messages claims to be from Oxfam and urges donors to deposit money into a bank account in Cyprus, they said.

It was not known whether anybody had been fooled by them, a police spokeswoman said.

Oxfam is among a number of worldwide relief agencies mobilising tsunami aid.

More than 144,000 people were killed in Indian Ocean coastal areas in 11 countries.

Oxfam Hong Kong spokeswoman Christy Ko said the emails were a sick attempt to extort money from people at a time of tragedy.

However, she did not believe they would harm the agency's campaign to raise funds for relief efforts.

"It was a very badly put together email, I don't think many people would have been fooled," she said.

Hong Kong is being increasingly targeted by on-line fraudsters, particularly those claiming to be from banks and urging customers to hand over personal account details.

Agence France-Presse

Wednesday, December 29, 2004

Tsunami scams are here
The Nigerian widows have apparently got a new gig going: scamming people for tsunami relief. Here's the email:

TSUNAMIS DISASTER EMERGENCY
Dear Sir/Madam,

With sympathy and heavy laden hearts, we hereby appeal to your sense of generosity to assist by donating any amount you can afford towards The "TSUNAMIS DISASTER HELP FUNDS", which is aimed at assisting the victims of the Asians Tsunamis which took place on Sunday the 26TH December, 2004 .

We are a non- governmental charity organisation with offices and members across 5 continents namely Europe, North America, South America, Africa and Asia. Our goal is to assist poor, innocent survivals of both man-made and natural disasters. Our officials and members are scattered in places in needs of human and material relief as seen in cases of Sudan ( Darfur ) and Haiti etc.

We would appreciate it, if you can send us an email ( Via donatingfund@europe.com ) For further enquiries on how to make donations towards the Tsunamis Disaster Help Funds ( T D H F )
Note there are no names included - not the names of the solicitors nor the name of their worldwide relief organization. wouldn't you think that a relief organization operating on five continents would have a name well known enought to incude in its appeals? And would an outfit that big be trolling for donations by mass emails?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/02/05:

Unfortunately there are many scam artists that take advantage of tragedies such as we are now witnessing. That is why anyone who donates should donate to an organization that one is familiar with and have dealt with in the past. I find that the American Red Cross is my choice and that is where my family has donated. Some people, with a big heart, and who are too trustworthy will fall for this sort of thing and will send a donation that will go straight into the pockets of the solicitors. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. :)

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arcura asked on 01/02/05 - Here is an interesting site we should all watch.

Did you know that there are at least 3,500 Molems in the USA that have been order to leave but cannot be found?

That Molems are saying that the Tsamnis are caused by Allah being made at the Chrisitians for celebrating their holidays and more?

http://jihadwatch.org/

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/02/05:

A little too much spiked eggnog? At least if you are going to say something about someone, get it right. Do you mean Muslims and Tsunami? Why would Allah be made at the Christians? Were we made in Allah? :) I looked at the site and it is a ridiculus, full of b.s. board filled with a lot of nonesense. Just like your post. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/02/05 - Chirapractic Care!

Does anybody have any information or any experiance with a Chirapractor? I am going tommorow. Thank you in advance!

Joe

Do you believe that the gift of Healing has been given to many different people. Doctors, Theraputic touch, laying of hands, Meditation, Acupuncture, Chirapactic. Do you think that all these different methods of healing and many others. Prayer for others is a great healer. All of these different methods do you think they all get the gift from God?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/02/05:

My wife went to a Chiropractor when she wrenched her back. He seemed to help her. However, it is a skill that is acquired through learning, which in turn has to do with God our Creator who gave us the ability to be receptive to whatever area in life we choose to excel in. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/02/05 - Sunday! Church!

Goodmorning Everybody! I am sitting here on the computer. Not going to church today. Lots of people think that going to church once a week is good enough. Yet when i tell some other Christians that i do not always go to church they condemn me saying that its not right. I explain to them that just by you going to church once a week and usually I do not does not make you a better Christian.

Today though I have a good excuse, The weather here in Ontario Canada has been very unstable one day it would be 10 degree (Sorry do not know what that is in American Language). The next day it could turn around and be -10. Warm, cold, warm, cold. Today all the roads are a sheet of ice. Have my skates do not want to risk being blown around to somewhere where I do not want to go.

Oh, Ya my Job that I am at just before Christmas we had close to 14 inches of Snow. My last day of work. I did not go in. My work has a policy that if the roads are not closed your expected to make it to work no matter what. As well as that we get a week off and we get paid for it. If you do not come in last day before the holidays depending on the reason you will not get paid for any of the holidays. They called me up and encouraged me to come into work and told me the consequences of not coming in. I did not feel comfortable driving. I told them that I will take that consequence and be better off not taking the chance and risk my life going to work. So I lose about 1,000 or more in pay but I gain my life. Some people probably think i am stupid that I did not go in but my family thinks I am smart. If i said i was sick and then went to the doctor got a note then everything would have been paid for. Kind a funny how things work. Get a big snow storm and its not a good reason. Anyway just venting I guess. Its a new year and Got to go back to work soon. I am praying for the best in everything for all of you. Your Family and Friends, Church, Jobs and etc.......

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/02/05:

I don't attend church often. I feel that God is with me all the time, whether I am in church or not. As for you not going to work in dangerous conditions, I am with you on that. Life is more precious than money and I think that you did the right thing. Just an opinion from your CyberGrandpa. :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 01/02/05 - help had a weird dream

Dreaming that there were these ships in the sky, triangular. There were several witnesses and it seemed where ever we seemed to go they followed. they had amazing flying capabilities. they would come down so close and this bright light would almost blind you. it looked like they were looking for me. We kept running away from they we thought there was a time problem with this but it turned out no time was lost. Can the devil play with our dreams, it was something that was cool to see at first then started to get scary. Ezekiel there was some interpretation. Is there something else out there that was created. There were other parts of the dream about sperm and when is the best time to notice when there is higher sperm counts. stuff like that. help.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/02/05:

Sounds to me as if God Almighty was fighting the devil that was overtaking your sperm count, or that of your mate. LOL. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 01/01/05 - Theraputic Healing!

Do you believe in laying of the hands and theraputic healing. Anybody here have had any experiances or/and thoughts on this.

I believe its possible. Some people might claim a certain person healed them with theraputic touch but what they do not know is it is God that is doing the healing and that healer is just the vehicle for it.

Thank you in advance!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/02/05:

I know that it is supposed to be theraputic, but have to admit that I have not seen it happen. I wish that I did, but so far, even with anointing and laying of hands and saying prayers, I have not seen anyone truly healed. However, I am not discounting the possiblility of it being done. :)

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Saladin asked on 01/01/05 - Ali Iqbal


My neighbour, friend, and brother Ali Iqbal died just before Christmas in Pakistan where he was attending his eldest daughter's wedding.

If you had met him, you would have loved him as I love him.

Will you join your prayers with mine for his soul, and for the comfort and blessing of his wonderfully loving family?

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/02/05:

May he travel a smooth road, and my heart goes out to his family as well as you who loved him. The loss of a loved one is hard, but he is in good hands now and am sure that he is watching over all that loved him. Losing a beloved friend is not easy, so I know how you feel. My family and I are with you and Gay in spirit and thoughts. Jeremy.

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VisionsInBlue asked on 01/01/05 - Good Evening, Dear Experts

*grin*

Happy New Year everybody! Lotsa good health, love, happiness and money.

Now, was everybody good? I was snooping around so I know who was behaving and who wasn't. ;)

I promised to be good, nice, polite, generally a total sweetheart. I sure promised, so I better keep it up.

And since I'm supposed to ask a question... ummm... well... Did you miss me? ;)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/02/05:

It seems that the Experts know you, so I wish you and yours the same. I can't answer your question of did I miss you though because I am fairly new on here, but I hope that we will get to know each other.Be in peace and I guess a welcome back is in order. :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 01/01/05 - The end times?!? :-/

The end times. Many people know it in their hearts and minds that these are the end times. The end times have been predicted over many many years yet they never come. Anybody can make predictions. We are shown by God that there will be many signs but no one knows the hour or day that the Lord God will come back to earth. It will be like a thief in the night. Always be ready for the lord. For the lord could come anytime. Some think of this as violent and Fear, but its not about being afraid its not about being violent, its about being ready when the lord calls your name. Are you ready?!? :-/

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/01/05:

No one knows when their own time will end. If you are referring to the ultimate end of time, then it has been stated before. I am ready when my time comes, and I am not afraid. As far as signs are concerned, these signs have been since creation. As far as being ready for the Lord, I have always been ready, no need to prepare myself now. :)

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Calminthestorm04 asked on 01/01/05 - NEW EXPERT ON BOARD! :) !

God has shown his light to all people, it is up to us to shine that light on other people. The truth may not always be kind. The truth is there in God's word. It will be revealed. Wheather people are ready or not. Do not be afraid.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 01/01/05:

Since I have been on here, which is not long, I have not seen anyone who uses God's name in a frightening way. To me you are extremely annoying to say the least. I saw it yesterday and I do not enjoy it today. You are making a mockery of belief with your little doomsday comments. If the end is to come, and it does come for all of us, so let it be. But do not keep hammering the same nonsense over and over. Why don't you drop the "calm" out of your name and stick solely to "storm?" Otherwise, enjoy your adventure here and I am sure that you will be in for an awakening of your own. May the light shine on you. :)

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darkstar asked on 12/31/04 - is this just the beginning?

is there some people here who believe that this most recent earthquake of 9 on the scale is just the beginning of the end?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/31/04:

I think that the beginning of the end was from the beginning. :) No dear darkstar, it is just mother nature doing what she does. It has nothing to do with the end. There have been many natural disasters and unfortunately there will be more, but as far as this being the ultimate end, worry not. A very Happy and Healthy New Year to you and yours. :)

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ETWolverine asked on 12/31/04 - American Stinginess

Here's some additional information about the 'stingy' donations being made toward disaster relief in Asia.

(I will be using "banker's notation" in which "M" means "thousand" and "MM" means "million". It's just faster for me to type this way.)

US Government - $35MM to start, with more promissed.
American Red Cross - $28MM so far
Catholic Relief Services (Baltimore) - unknown... their web server was knocked down because they couldn't handle the volume of hits by donors.
Amazon.com - $4.8MM so far (donations are expected to surpass the $6.8MM donated for 9-11 relief).
Save the Children - $5MM so far, more expected
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation - $3MM
Microsoft - unlimited matching funds donation program for employees. Whatever employees donate, the company will match.
America Online - $3MM raised so far from 53M donors. Additional $200M donated by the company. Will also match employee donations up to $50M.
eBay - setting up program to allow proceeds of sales to be donated to disaster relief.
Cisco Systems - $2.5MM
JP Morgan Chase - $3MM + matching of employee contributions.
CitiGroup - $3MM + matching of employee contributions
PepsoCo - $1MM
Pfizer - $10MM in cash + $25MM in medical supplies + matching of employee contributions
Johnson & Johnson - $2MM + medicine and medical supplies
Abbott Laboratories - $2MM + medicine and medical supplies
Merck & Co. - $250M + medicine & medical supplies
Bristol-Meyers Squibb - $100M + medicine & medical supplies.
Starbucks - $100M + $2 for every pound of Sumatra coffee sold during January.

And that's just to start... nor is this a very complete list. There are a lot of individual and corporate donors that are not on this list. These are just some of the big names.

I hope all people and corporations are this stingy with relief aid.

Elliot

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/31/04:

Elliot, thank you for your post. It is good to see that the corporate and private sector is joining together at this terrible time. I feel that when it comes to tragedies of such magnitute and even lesser, where people suffer, we as a Nation, as well as other Nations, come together and do as much as we can. Happy New Year dear lad. Let's hope that 2005 will bring us all even closer together on a global scale and let peace prevail. Your old geezer friend.Jeremy :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/30/04 - Money

In a Christmas card. Somebody wishes somebody health and lots of money. Do you see anything wrong with this or is it just me.

Interested in all your thoughts!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/31/04:

Joe, it does bother me. If you send a Christmas card, you are wishing someone a Merry Christmas. Words that address health, show that you care. But as far as the money is concerned, well, it is better put it inside the card and not say anything. Then it becomes a gift of goodwill and many people can use it. But there should be no wish of "Lots of money." That is how I feel. :)

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Saladin asked on 12/30/04 - A Question for Christians ...


News story:

The Colorado Springs Gazette is catching it in the neck for distributing the New Testament as an advertising supplement in last Sunday's edition of the newspaper.

The volume went into the same pocket of the newspaper's plastic pouch where items like CD's from America Online or soap samples often go.

The Bible group paid the standard advertising rate, and its spokeswoman, Judy Billings, said it considered the 91,000 copies of the New Testament a Christmas gift to the people of Colorado Springs.

Some Jews and Muslims said getting the New Testament with the Sunday paper felt like being proselytized in their homes.

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1. Is this a good idea or a bad one, and why either way?

2. How would you feel if you had a copy of the Qur'an delivered with your newspaper this coming Sunday, and why?


Please give it some thought before you answer.

Thankee.

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/31/04:

I think that it was a good gesture and nothing wrong with it. However, it depends on the strength and mentality of the recipient if they are not Christian. If ones belief in their religion is strong, why would the Bible bother them? It could always be given to someone who would appreciate it, or it could be discarded. If I were to receive the Qur'an, and since I am already in possession of it, I would give it to a friend who is a Muslim. I read all religious material and never feel imposed upon. Each person has his/her faith and quite frankly I find all material of such nature to be interesting. Happy New Year to you and Gay. Many blessings for good health and peace. :)

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paraclete asked on 12/30/04 - Just to say Happy and prosperous New Year to you all

As the clock winds down on 2004 I wish to express awish for a very happy new year to you all. 2004 has gone out with a bang, let's hope 2005 provides us with only happy memories

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/31/04:

Thank you Paraclete and the same to you and yours. Be blessed and happy. :)

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MaggieB asked on 12/30/04 - Something to think about!


Soon in your hand will be placed a priceless gift. Look at it
closely. There is no price maker stamped on it. It cannot be weighed,
because no scale can balance its value. A king's ransom in comparison is
as nothing yet it is given to beggar and prince alike. The giver asks
only that it be used wisely and well.
This jewel, rare and unique, is not displayed in any shop window.
It cannot be purchased, cannot be sold. No other treasure holds the
possibilities this gift offers -- none can surpass its golden splendor.
Of all gifts, this is one of the most precious. It has been
offered many times before; today, from the depths of a limitless love it
will be given again. It will be left to you to find the golden thread
running through it. Only with great care will the jewel retain its
luster. Carelessness, ingratitude and selfishness will tarnish the
brilliance, break the unspoiled thread, mar the perfection.
Guard it closely, lest through weak fingers it slip from the hand.
Look often at its faultless beauty. Accept it as it is offered from the
heart of the giver. Consider it is the most treasured of possessions, for
of all gifts it is by far the greatest.
It is the gift of the New Year.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/31/04:

Maggie, this was really nice. I feel that every morning is a new beginning and hope to continue to feel this way for many more years to come. I wish you and yours a HAPPY AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR. May this year bring peace on earth and good will to all hearts. :)

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Choux asked on 12/30/04 - Qutting the Board

I'm quitting the Christianity Board because I can't stop picking-on most of the other Board members. It is not fair to you. And, it brings out the worst in me. I have other places here I can participate. HAPPY NEW YEAR 2005

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/30/04:

My dear girl, don't make this old guy chase you all over the boards of Answerway. Pick on me all you want. This will be a very boring board with you gone. So make this old guy have a really good New Year and stay. :) Happy New Year Choux and I hope that you change your mind. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/30/04 - TO SAL:



You sure have alot of knowledge about the Bible, Christianity and Biblical History. How did you come by it? There's 'no way' yours truly can keep up with you, drgade, Paraclete, Jeremy and others on this Board. This is the reason I c/p quite a bit. My major in college was Journalism which is a far cry from religion. Sometimes you get me talking to myself! Just wanted to thank you and the others for teaching me what I do know! I'm closer to God now than I've ever been.

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/30/04:

I have to agree with you Hank. Sal has great knowledge as do many others here. I am learning just as you are. However, the search for more and more is never ending. Ronnie also has the capacity of presenting it in a calm and intelligent way, which makes him truly unique. I admire all of you. I also have to make special mention of Aton, who in some eyes can be controversial, but never off fact, and his knowledge and intellect is superior. All of you have your own style of thought and to me, even some that I do not agree with, I truly respect. I think that Hope12 brought up a great point. That it is not only the knowledge that we posses but the application of same that is important.

I wish you a very Happy and Healthy New Year and as always, will be thinking of you and all my new friends on Answerway. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/30/04 - Guardian Angels

Do you believe you have a Guardian Angel? Yes or No and the reason why! In the beginning God created the Angels first, right?

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/30/04:

I personally do not believe in Guardian Angels. However, there might be something that at times prevents us from doing things, or going places that we should not attempt. I tend to think that it is my own gut feeling.

There are old traditions about the angels before the creation of Adam. According to tradition, it was said that the angels were informed about the creation of Adam. Therefore, one might assume that they did exist before Adam.

Whether or not these traditions are correct, the angels did understand that God would create man.

Now, you have to decide for yourself if it is myth or fact. There is no historical evidence, as you well know. The evidence of faith lies within the heart of men/women and what they feel comfortable with. :)

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Saladin asked on 12/29/04 - Inquisitions


What were the purposes of the Inquisitions and who were its victims?

:)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/30/04:

The Inquisitions and Crusades were the times when religious persecution resulted in the torturing and the murder of masses of people due to the victims' religious beliefs. As always, fear and hatred ruled those who committed these crimes.
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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/30/04 - Quran

Does anybody here ever look at the Quran to see if there is any worth in these Scriptures. I am looking at what some of it teaches. Teaches about God. Teaches about all of us who believe in God. It includes the stories from the King James Version of the Bible. What is your opinion of this book?

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/30/04:

The Quran is not that different from our Bible. It recognizes Jesus as a prophet, Moses, Abraham. It is not filled with hate as some tend to believe. Joe, anything that you read, you will gain more understanding. If you are a strong believer in your faith, and I know that you are, it is worth to read all the books of different religions. You will find many similarities, as well as contradictions. Happy New Year dear lad. :)

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arcura asked on 12/29/04 - Have a Happy New Year and sing along.........

Auld Lang Syne (by Robert Burns)

Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And never brought to mind?
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And days of auld lang syne!

Chorus-
For auld lang syne, my dear,
For auld lang syne,
We'll tak a cup o' kindness yet,
For auld lang syne.

And surely yeƇl be your pint stowp!
And surely I'll be mine!
And we'll tak a cup o' kindness yet,
For auld lang syne.

Chorus

We twa hae run about the braes,
And pou'd the gowans fine;
But we've wander'd mony a weary fit
Sin' auld lang syne.

Chorus

We twa hae paidl'd in the burn,
Frae morning sun till dine;
But seas between us braid hae roar'd
Sin' auld lang syne.

Chorus

And there's a hand, my trusty fere!
And gie's a hand o' thine!
And we'll tak' a right gude-willie waught,
For auld lang syne.

Chorus

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/30/04:

Love that song, but every New Year's eve when we sing it, my wife breaks down in tears. Happy New Year to you and yours. May it bring you health, joy and peace. :)

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Saladin asked on 12/29/04 - Open Question ...



Do Christians HAVE to be nice to everyone no matter what?

Curious minds want to know.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/29/04:

It depends on the situation. As far as Christians are concerned, no, we do not, not all the time. I try my best to be nice, friendly, giving, caring, but when I feel that someone brings on a barrage of rudeness, I will ignore it at first, if it continues, then I will have to be not so nice. However, things can be worked out in a civil manner which I stive for everyday. I think that it is only human to err at times. I wish you ang Gay a wonderful New Year, full of health, joy and peace. :)

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purplewings asked on 12/29/04 - Does anyone really know what caused the Earthquake in Pakistan?

Every site I've gone to has asked for opinions and they have ranged from A to Z but nothing that can be proven.

Since Bradd and Ceebee felt it was their job to follow my response to a posting on the Philosophy forum and give me a big black star for my thoughts on it, without giving their own, I thought maybe people here would enlighten me to the real truth of the Earthquake.

BTW, an act of God does not mean that God came down and slaughtered people, Ceebee, and I never said that in any way. I have seen it written by you twice now so maybe it's your thoughts you are hearing.

Will someone explain it to me, if possible?

thanks
PW

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/29/04:

A Tsunami (Japanese for 'harbor wave') is an earthquake, or a volcanic eruption or even a landslip that causes turmoil under the ocean and creates huge tidal waves. There are also aftershocks of large magnitude that create what we have seen happen in Asia this week. It was/is a tragedy and hopefully scientists will place Tsunami alert systems, we already have them in the Pacific, on the bottom of the oceans floor so that we can be prepared well before another hits. I hope that this has been of some help to you. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/29/04 - Stony

Just to let you know that insulting somebody is wrong even if they do that to you first. To tell me i have not been here long enough and that i do not have a right to comment is wrong as well. What are you thinking. We all have a right to say something to disagree and share our thoughts and nobody like you should say its not aloud. As far as you not wanting to answer my question about how insulting you were and how it was uncalled for. Please crawl underneath your rock where you came from, oooppps i forgot your already there. Hiding because you know its true.

God bless and hope you come back out soon!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/29/04:

Well, at least you two bonded. Sometimes this will happen here, as it does in life. We either look the other way, or we let it fester and then it hurts us more than the person who hurt us. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/29/04 - JesusHelper76

Hi everybody,

Just want to let everybody know that i originally signed up under that name but the site was always messed up and i could not figure out how to log in so now everybody knows my username.

I know i do not need to defend myself because most people know what i am about.

I promised to here on the board more often in the new year looks like its happening sooner.

God bless and Continue enjoying yourselves each and every one of you.

I am always thinking about how we effect each other in good ways and bad ways. I am always praying for everybodies families and just want to say. Happy New Year!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/29/04:

By now I feel as if you are one of my kids. You are a nice man Joe and I enjoy your postings as well as your answers. Again, a great New Year to you and yours. :)

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ATON2 asked on 12/29/04 - What's wrong with this picture????
What's wrong with this picture????

The American tax payers are paying $177 million a day to pursue the war in Iraq. George Wrong Bush has asked Congress to approve ANOTHER $80 BILLION to continue his war of aggression. The same George Wrong Bush, has opened his "heart" and committed $10 million in relief for South East Asia. When AMERICA was called stingy, Colin Powell went on the air and said America would committ another $25 million....And George Wrong Bush finally, after two days silence, took to the air to whine that America was not being stingy...and we would committ more aid money. $35 million in aid is approximatly one fifth of the amount we are spending, in ONE Day, to kill more Iraqis!!!!
As Christians, what think ye of these skewed priorities???????

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/29/04:

He has been the wrong President from day one. He uses his "Christian" spiel to attract votes, yet he does not act as a Christian. All he is doing is murdering innocent people, people who had the right to walk in their streets, are now afraid because of terrorism that Iraq never knew before. He sent our soldiers in for nothing. Six months was the projected time, so what happened? I have been there, I have seen the country as I already stated pre-Saddam and during. Contrary to many people's beliefs, women were not oppressed, schools were open, there was water, food, electricity, enterprise. Now there is rubble and crying children looking for parents that are no longer alive, or parents looking for their children that were killed. His plan was to go after Iraq. This has nothing to do with 9/11. It was a personal vendetta and he lied to us all. Stingy? There are more words that I can use, but will not. If he is a Christian, then God help us all who are true Christians. Why doesn't he look around our own country and see what is happening? I see and hear of men and woman being pink slipped everyday. I see the homeless, the older people who eat dog food and cat food because their Social Security does not cut it. People who need medicine go without. What a shame. I can get all the flack from expressing this, but it is the truth. Take care of your own, help other's like we should now with a lot more than $35 million and a few planes, but don't go to war with a country that was no threat to us.
Yes, he is the President and we should honor the office, but in this case, it is getting harder and harder. I never voted for him therefore, I had no part in placing him back into the oval office.

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ROLCAM asked on 12/29/04 - AKELDAMA ??

1) What does this word mean ?

2) How did it come about ?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/29/04:

Acts 1:18-19 "Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood."

Hakeldama,supposedly is the place where Judas hung himself. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 12/28/04 - The year 2005!

The calendar year is changing as of Saturday, Jan 1st.
Everyone like to start fresh. I do not celebrate the new year, yet I do regonize it to be a new year on the calendar. So here are my questions.

What if anything will you do differently while here on Answerway that will make you personally more desiable to communicate with?

What can each of us do to make this forum better for all who use it?

Can we each say one nice thing about the experts on this board, as a group, to start the year off to a good start?

I will go first!

1- I will try to get back faster and rate comments faster this year.


2- I personally will look for the good in all and at the same time not be afraid to speak my mind, even if attacked or put down in anyway for what I truly believe. This is one thing that I will not tolerate this year.

3- I wish to say that the experts on this board are really as a whole very intellegent and yet all quit different. This is good, because it gives the forum variety and makes the board interesting. Most are friendly and polite but what I like the best is that, each one has a special quality about them. Some try to be tough and harsh but deep down the experts on this board come across to me as people who really care about others. Thank you for a very nice 2004, and I look forward to communicating with you all in 2005.

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/28/04:

At my age I don't think that I will change. I speak my mind, and will continue to do so. I try to be polite and I find that the board of 2004, at least since I joined, has been on of variety and extremely invigorating. Even those that I do not agree with all the time, are good people. What I have seen is that everyone comes through when needed. So, I hope that no one will change too much. I wish everyone a very Happy and Healthy New Year. :)

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hOPE12 asked on 12/28/04 - Confused world!

Hello Experts,
I sit here reading these posts, only to realize just what a confused world we live. We become sad over a child who dies of a sickness as in Acura's first post of the little boy and the fireman.

Then abortions are approved of! Does that make sense to you guys? It sounds like confusion to me.

Somewhere in the world, someone is probably killing someone or taking their own life, while people in SE Asia are struggling to keep alive.

Knowing this, my question is at John 3:16, 17, what “world” did God love so much, and what “world” did God send Jesus, not to judge, but to save?

Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/28/04:

My dear Hope12, this has been going on since creation. You will have people who, like SE Asia are crying because of loss, and then we have the people who murder and commit suicide. Since God has given us free will, those who choose to wander off the Golden path, will do so. However, people like we now see in SE Asia, are suffering and clinging to regain and sustain what was ripped from them. But how do we know how many among them did not have the very same adverse feelings before the tragedy struck? We don't. Life is a mystery to us, it is meant to be and we are not to judge either way. We can disagree, we can protest, but life will continue regardless. It is not the wrath of God, it is the wrath of man. Be in peace.

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/28/04 - South and SouthEast Asia

What a terrible tragedy. Almost 60,000 deaths. There is nothing we can do to help relieve the pain of people who have lost relatives and friends. The scene of people praying over the dead bodies. This is so sad and so terrible. Lets all pray. Lets all find the best way to contribute to helping in the aid of all the victims of this terrible disaster.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/28/04:

Joe, since my area is very diversified, we have places that are set up for food, clothes and also where we can give donations. It seems that water is a problem, so that the money that is being collected is for water purification equipment. What a horrible tradgedy. I was watching the news last night and my heart goes out to the people who have lost everything. I think that all we can do now, is find agencies, as we have here, and donate whatever we can. May God bless all who are suffering the loss of their loved ones as well as their homes. And a special prayer that illness does not become a major factor due to this act of nature.

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Saladin asked on 12/28/04 - A Sensible Post - at last!



Claire Foster wrote in a little book that even if a girl finds an attractive man,

"he is bound to have deep dark secrets or revolting personal habits that make him impossible to live with/take home to mum/introduce to your most caustic friends."


Well now, gentlemen, what are your deep dark secrets and revolting habits?

Tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

:)

Ronnie - 'almost a gentleman'

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/28/04:

My deep dark secret is that because I never cared for my mother-in-law,I once threw out her dentures and played innocent. No one ever found out. But I did have to buy her new ones because I was such a good son-in-law. Revolting habit? Well, let's just say that it's good that I have dogs to put the blame on for something that I am guilty of. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/28/04 - TO ATON:


THE END IS NEAR!

A priest and pastor from the local parishes are standing by the side of the road holding up a sign that reads, "The End is near! Turn yourself around now before it's too late!"

They planned to hold up the sign to each passing car.

"Leave us alone you religious nuts!" yelled the first driver as he sped by.

From around the curve they heard screeching tires and a big splash.

"Do you think," said one clergy to the other, "we should just put up a sign that says ‘Bridge Out' instead?"

Source: thebartend.com

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/28/04:

Nah, Aton would never fall for that. He would tell them that it's all b.s. and that they would have to back it up with facts. The priests then would have to tell him exactly what they meant. Aton would get out of the car, scratch out what they had written, and substitute it with "Bridge is Out." Then he would turn around and take another route. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/27/04 - FUN TIME! IT'S ALMOST 2005:



"Goodness without knowledge is weak; knowledge without goodness is dangerous.
We have to build a better man before we can build a better society.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing.
Our purpose is not to make a living but a life--a worthy, well-rounded, useful life.
Morality is not a subject; it is a life put to the test in dozens of moments." - Paul Tillich

* I believe a person can reach PERFECTION in many areas that life has to offer us.

Almost time to 'close shop' for 2004. So, let's get our minds working while doing so:

Time to vote for Experts who displayed the following conduct in 2004:

Fairness

Honesty

Forthrightness

Sincerity

Obeyed the Golden Rule

Sympathetic

Integrity

Best writer

Understanding

Feelings

Congeniality

Scrooge

One last thought: Create a list of benefits in your life and ask yourself, "To what extent do I take these forgranted?" Some people need such concrete visual reminders to maintain mindfulness of their gratitude.

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/27/04:

I have barely been here for two months, but in all fairness, I would have to nominate each one of you for each of the catagories mentioned. Except for Scrooge, have not met anyone on here to meet that criteria. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/27/04 - Government!

Just because i do not like or trust the government especially the American government doesnt make me a hateful person and etc....... I am not talking about All Americans. I am talking about government. The government is not God, does not always act for the people of its own country or its people or around the world. The government of America could be compared to lets see who was the great power in the bible days. Lots of people worship the government instead of God. God has been taken out of government and politics and slowly out of our daily lives, but we were already warned about this happening.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/27/04:

Joe, I love my country as you love yours. I see faults as I am sure you see them in your own back yard. There is no perfect government. You cannot judge and I know that you do not, the people who live here by our President. I happen not to like him, but four more years, so we will make do. I think that the war in Iraq was a terrible mistake, we should not have gone there, but we have, and there is little that we can do now to get out. I knew Iraq pre-Saddam and during Saddam, Aton is right. People were not oppressed there, however if they stuck their nose and opposed Saddam's regime, they were killed. I do not condone what he did to his people, but are we doing it better now? No. If anyone thinks so, then they have never seen the country and only rely on the media.

But as a people, we are always there to help others, especially during disasters, at home and well beyond. We never shun world resposibility to humanitarian needs. Nevertheless, we have a pride in being who we are. As you have pride in who you are.

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Choux asked on 12/27/04 - For Joe-Step Two

Joe, I am so happy for the reconcillation in your life that I would like to offer some help for step two, cementing the progress made so far. I learned this from one of my best friends, the daughter of an Italian immigrant who made it big in America. This social skill comes with an *iron clad* guarantee!!

When you see your mother-in-law next, ask her, "Did you lose some weight?" Any convrsation you have after that remark will be so pleasant and constructive and bonding. :):):)

Maybe others can submit ideas on how to maintain positive realtions??? (I'm so happy for you!)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/27/04:

How about "I love your daughter and I am glad that you are her mum." or "Your hair looks great" Now, if you tell me she is bald, your on your own lad. LOL. :)

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paraclete asked on 12/26/04 - How does it affect you?

I recall all the words that were spoken about 9/11 but how does this disaster in Asia affect you? Do you feel the same compassion for ths Millions who face a very difficult time, not to mention the thousands dead, as you did for those afflicted by 9/11. I had expected some Christian expression by now, but I see eveything outside of the US disappears into a vacuum.

Pray for these people and those who will attempt to assist them many are not Christian but that doean't matter.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/26/04:

I think that everyone awoke to the news in my area with great sadness at hearing what happened, how many lives were lost, how many were injured, not to mention the loss of property. Life is life, whether it is an act of terrorism or an act of nature, there is shock and an attempt to do as much as one can to help. I have read that prayers were said in most of the churches and clothes drives, food, fresh water was already being prepared to help those who have lost everything. Why compare it to 9/11? That was a premeditated act of violence, this was an act of nature, there is a difference.

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Saladin asked on 12/26/04 - 9 pm Eastern - Larry King Live - Tonight



Larry's guest will be Gordon B Hinckley Prophet and President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon).

Try to view it.

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/26/04:

Had company, so recorded it and will watch it this morning. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/26/04 - IDEALISM:



What does it mean to you to be PERFECT?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/26/04:

Nothing right now. You can try all you want, but perfection must come after we are gone, not before. To be perfect you first have to understand what it truly means. Since that is elusive, therefore, how can we achieve it when it belongs to only one? God our Creator.
:)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/26/04 - SIL, MIL !!!!!!!

My Wife and I were expecting the worse at Christmas because of all the manipulation and hate and interference over the years by her sister and mother. It turned out to be a wonderful visit. Her mother was happy to see her daughter and was surprised to see me there. Later her sister came in the time i was dreading but she put a fake smile on, so did we and said Merry Christmas and it was my idea to get her a Christmas Card. Even though we were expecting the worse to happen the worst did not happen. Even though the so called friendly faces are happening now it does not mean we will never forget or that it wont hurt. Its about time though we both stop reliving the pain. This holiday was a lot better then i thought and i think it is a start to a lot more relaxeed and happier times in the future. Do not get me wrong i will never trust certain people again but everybody was right its about time that we face them put a happy face on and try to move on. Thank you for everybodies support. This Christmas before Christmas for my wife and i brought a lot of hurt, sadness and more. After getting over the hurdle it was a blessing in disguise for both my wife and myself.

Thank you again and God bless each and everyone of you.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/26/04:

Glad that things worked out for you. I find that forgiving is much easier than to continue in festering ill feelings. I am proud of you lad. Glad that you had a good Christmas.

You mustn't be revengeful
You have to be strong
To offer good for evil
Return right for wrong
We must not hold a grudge
And we must learn to endure
Then as God is your judge
At least your heart will be pure

Forgiveness is the mightiest sword
Forgiveness
Of those you hate
Will be your highest reward

When they bruise you with words
When they make you feel small
When it's hardest to bear
You must do nothing at all

Forgiveness is the simplest vow
Forgiveness
Of all their crimes
Is your deliverance now

Bless those souls
Who would curse your name
When the last bell tolls
You'll be free of blame

You can continue to grieve
But know the gospel is true
You must forgive those who lie
And bless them that curse you

Forgiveness is the mightiest sword
Forgiveness
Of those you fear
Will be your highest reward

The time will come when we will leave this world, and the injustice and
the pain and the sin will fall away from us, and only the spark of the
spirit will remain--returning to God who created it.

Forgiveness by Paul Gordon and John Caird.

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HANK1 asked on 12/25/04 - MY THANKS TO YOU GUYS IN HEAVEN ...



... for giving me your plan after being baptized. (Hello Carol. Play 18. Remember to follow through on all your shots. Love ya!)

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/25/04:

Hank, you are loved right back here on earth as well as beyond. Hope that you are hanging in there friend and that you feel your Angels spirit right next to you. Remember that all the golf games you play, you will win because she is by your side, and I will be cheering you all the way as well. :)
Jeremy

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excon asked on 12/24/04 - Why do you pray?


Hello Experts:

To me, prayer seems to be about whining and begging God to DO something: "Please heal this person … please bring me my soul-mate … please help my business, etc." That could lead one to think that God is holding out on us and gets pleasure watching us grovel.

When faced with very serious problems, it's apparently your custom to ask others to join together in your prayers. What is that all about? It seems as if you hope to move God through force: "God, if you don't respond to my prayers, then I will recruit, through e-mail, thousands of others to pray."

Do you think these strategies really work? If God is all knowing then why are you telling him your problems? Doesn't he already know them? If God is good then why are you asking him to change your situation? Obviously whatever happens to you is God's design and you should just trust God.

I don't pray, so I don't know.

excon

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/24/04:

When and if I pray I only give thanks for all that I have. In good times and bad times, I am thankful to Him. However, people find solace and comfort in their own way if they pray together or for someone.

You are right that if God knows all, then there is no need for us to ask for anything. That is why I just say a "thank you." The rest I leave up to Him. That is my way, doesn't mean that everyone else agrees or not, for it is a private thing. Even though you do not pray, I am sure that there are things that you are grateful for and some that you are not. God knows what you are and who you are. No need to put your hands together or kneel. But if people do, that is their connection with Him and I respect that. The important thing is to believe in what you believe and let others do as they do. I have traveled a long road to reach my faith and I never shove it in anyone's face, nor down their throats. I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I see God my way, as a Christian, which does not mean that I do not respect other beliefs, religons, lack of,traditions, etc. People are people and what they feel within themselves is what is important, not what is expected from others.
:)

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Choux asked on 12/23/04 - Christmas Invitation

I'm inviting Scrooge McClete to Christmas Eve services at St. Taffy's Virtual Church.

Please, all Board Members, will you join us there tomorrow night for the singing and festivities so all who wish can have a MERRY CHRISTMAS and joy in their hearts????

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/23/04:

Where? What time? Can I wear my Santa outfit? Oh, St. Taffy's is it? What are we going to do? Would that be like St. Peters? Count me in. What would Tiny Tim like?
:)

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Mathatmacoat asked on 12/23/04 - What, it's Christmas?

To all the new friends I've made this year among you answerwayians, I wish you a Merry Christams, I wish you a Merry Christmas. I wis you a merri Christmas, i wis yu a meri Christmas, i wis u a mri chrismas, ah u know anyway

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/23/04:

This one was by far the best of all wishes. Back atcha again. :)

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arcura asked on 12/22/04 - Pray for the doctors - they believe in it.....

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 20, 2004--A national survey of 1,100 physicians, conducted by HCD Research and the Louis Finkelstein Institute for Religious and Social Studies of The Jewish Theological Seminary in New York City over the past weekend, found that 74% of doctors believe that miracles have occurred in the past and 73% believe that can occur today.
The poll also indicated that American physicians are surprisingly religious, with 72% indicating they believe that religion provides a reliable and necessary guide to life.
Those surveyed represent physicians from Christian (Roman Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox Christian and other), Jewish (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and secular) Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist religious traditions.
"The picture that emerges is one where doctors, although presumably more highly educated than their average patient, are not necessarily more secular or radically different in religious outlook than the public, stated Dr. Alan Mittleman, Director of The Finkelstein Institute.
"Our business is to determine physicians' needs and requirements relevant to the health care environment and this study was a great opportunity for us to use our methodology to explore physicians' spirituality and personal beliefs," explained Glenn Kessler, Co-Founder and Managing Partner, HCD Research in Flemington, NJ. The study affirmed earlier polls conducted by HCD that indicate a correlation between physicians' spiritual and political conservatism.
Additional findings indicate:
-- (58%) (over half) attending worship services at least one time per month
-- 46% (a plurality) believe that prayer is very important in their own lives
Physicians views of the Bible and religious teachings
Often, religious conviction, especially a belief in the miraculous, declines as level of education increases. This does not appear to hold true for physicians. Perhaps because of their frequent involvement with matters of life and death, physicians show significant openness to religion. Regarding their views on miracles and the source of the Bible:
-- 37% physicians believe that the Bible's miracle stories are literally true while 50% believe they are metaphorically true. 12% indicated that they did not believe in the Bible's description of miracles
-- 9% believe the Bible was written by God, 58% believe the Bible was inspired by God and 34% consider it human ancient literature.
-- 55% believe that medical practice should be guided by religious teaching (44% do not)
Religion and the practice of medicine
Perhaps the most surprising result of the survey is that a majority of doctors (55%) said that they have seen treatment results in their patients that they would consider miraculous (45% do not). Most physicians pray for their patients as a group (51%). Even more, 59% pray for individual patients.
67% encourage their patients to pray. Of those physicians, 5% did so for God to answer their prayers, 32% for psychological benefits and 63% for both reasons. 33% did not encourage their patients to pray.
Religious Differences
The quality of doctors' religiosity differs according to their own religious background. Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox Christian doctors tend to hold more supernatural views than Jewish doctors, with the exception of Orthodox Jewish physicians, who resemble their Christian peers. For example, 60% of Protestant doctors believe that the miracles stories of the Bible are literally true. By comparison, although 53% of Orthodox Jews agree, among Conservative and Reform Jews the percentage drops to 12% and 4% respectively. Such differences do not indicate that Christians are more religious than Jews. They do indicate that Christians tend to be religious in a more traditional way, while Jews are religious in liberal way. 79% and 95% of Conservative and Reform Jews say that they are liberal believers, as compared with only 48% of Protestants.
Physicians differ regarding their perceptions of their control of treatment outcomes versus the influence of the supernatural or of acts of God. 35% of Catholics believe that all or a lot of the outcome of treatment is due to these non-medical sources, 46% of Protestants concur while only 20% of Jews attribute outcomes to non-medical influences.
Editors/Reporters: For more information on the poll, or to speak with Dr. Mittleman or Glenn Kessler, please contact Sherry Kirschenbaum in the Department of Communications at (212) 678-8953; or email shkirschenbaum@jtsa.edu.
HCD Research is a marketing and advertising research company headquartered in Flemington, NJ. The company's services include traditional and web-based marketing and advertising research. For additional information on HCD Research, access the company's web site at www.hcdi.net or call HCD Research at 908-788-9393.
The Finkelstein Institute provides a venue to advance dialogue at the intersection of religion and public affairs. Founded in 1886 as a rabbinical school, The Jewish Theological Seminary today is the academic and spiritual center of Conservative Judaism worldwide, encompassing a world-class library and five schools. JTS trains tomorrow's religious, educational, academic and lay leaders for the Jewish community and beyond.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/22/04:

I have seen doctors go to prayer and talk about it. However, I take care of my spiritual needs and don't worry much about what religeous beliefs they have or have not. So far, I have been lucky. I feel that it is up to the individual to make a connection with his or her God/Creator, before, during and after being hospitalized or seen by a doctor. As long as they have the medical knowledge to treat what ails me, I trust them. :)

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MaggieB asked on 12/22/04 - Christians protest actions that play down Christmas' religious nature




Christians protest actions that play down Christmas' religious nature

Wed Dec 22, 6:21 AM ET Top Stories - USATODAY.com


By Richard Willing, USA TODAY

Julie West is tired of being wished "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas." She's annoyed with department stores that use "Season's Greetings" banners, and with public schools that teach about Hanukkah and Kwanzaa but won't touch the Nativity story.





So last week, she sent a baked protest to a holiday party at her first-grade son's school: a chocolate cake with vanilla frosting and red icing that spelled out "Happy Birthday Jesus."


"Christmas keeps getting downgraded, to the point that you're almost made to feel weird if you even mention it," says West, a resident of Edmonds, Wash., who describes herself as a non-denominational Christian. "What's the matter with recognizing the reason behind the whole holiday?"


This Christmas season, West has plenty of company. Christians and traditionalists across the nation, fed up with what they view as the de-emphasizing of Christmas as a religious holiday, are filing lawsuits, promoting boycotts and launching campaigns aimed at restoring references to Christ in seasonal celebrations.


From New Jersey to California, Christians are moving to counter years of lawsuits that have made governments wary about putting Nativity scenes on public property, and that occasionally have led schools to drop Christmas carols from holiday programs. USA TODAY.
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And so they should be as there is room for all to celebrate their religion and traditions. Thru the years we have respected our Jewish and Afro-American neighbors and their programs. There is no need for all these other organizations to even be involved. I will still wear my crosses, put my manger scene out, put Christmas lights up, give gifts to whom I please, play Christmas carols, candles in my windows. I live in America and our freedoms are being banished by those who don't even love themselves much less anyone else. I reccommend they get a life and find something useful to do.


Peace and love,
MaggieB

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/22/04:

I have not seen nor experienced anyone stopping anyone from celebrating Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Ramadan, or Divali. In my very diversified neighborhood, each celebrates according to their tradition and belief. Children are home from public school on Christmas Eve. I walk on our main street and hear Christmas Carols and see all the ornaments and many windows have Merry Christmas banners. Even the ones that are owned by Indians, Afro-Americans - Muslims as well as Christians. I have my decorations up, and my mind is more focused on the joy of being with my daughters and their husbands and of course my wonderful grandchildren. Do what you always do MaggieB and have a blessed Christmas. We do live in a country where there is no restriction on the practice of any religion. Whether you wear a cross or a star of David or the OM sign, no one but a thief for profit will take it away from you. Happy New Year as well. :)

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paraclete asked on 12/21/04 - Happy Christmas

For all my mates here on Answerway I wish you a beaudy bonzer Christmas from "down under".
and to paraphase Robbie Burns

May the mouse never leave your cupboard with a tear drop in his eye

May the best you have ever seen be the worst you will ever see.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/21/04:

Ah, memories of youth and reading Burns, sitting on a tree stump in the UK, waiting for my wife to be to come, late she always was.

A part of my all time favorite "Epistile to a Young Friend"

Adieu, dear, amiable youth!
Your heart can ne'er be wanting!
May prudence, fortitude, and truth,
Erect your brow undaunting!
In ploughman phrase, "God send you speed,"
Still daily to grow wiser;
And may ye better reck the rede,
Then ever did th' adviser!

A Merry Christmas to you and yours Paraclete and a Happy New Year. Thank you for your warm wishes.Jeremy :)

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Uni-Agdistis asked on 12/21/04 - Holiday wishes to all ........

Hello to the AW extended family,

Been very busy with daughter's forthcoming surgery at the end of the month, so have not been here lately, This coming week will be busier still …. so will be gone for the duration of the holidays, but I do want to wish a peaceful and joyful Holiday Season to all.

May the Creator bring one and all what you most desire... and along with your heart’s desire may She/He also include peace, harmony and joy.


;-D

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/21/04:

I missed your LOL's on here. Welcome back, even if it is for a little while. My best to your daughter on her up coming surgery. She will be fine, but as a parent I know how you must feel. Have a very happy holiday and come back soon. :)

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Choux asked on 12/21/04 - Giving Thanks

This morning, I got a telephone call early, I was groggy, and said "hello?". On the other end of the line a person asked if I would be home because they wanted to deliver my Christmas presents. "Sure", I said and hung up. And then, "HUH????" CHRISTMAS PRESENTS?????? What the hell??

About an hour ago, a family knocked at my door and brought in a whole bunch of wrapped goodies. We all talked I introduced Nick and so on. NIck has been tearing at some of the presents, so I know he has a bunch of neato presents to munch on!!!

I want to give thanks for the giving spirit of so many American families, so many people who have helped me survive over the past year and the plain spiritual generosity of everyone here and in DuPage County Illinois.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/21/04:

You must have done something right. Actually you scared me, I thought that someone was going to rob you! There are wonderful people in this world and I am happy for you and Nick, and bless those who made you smile, and Nick rip at the presents. Once again MERRY CHRISTMAS. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/21/04 - MY CHRISTMAS MESSAGE TO YOU:



The fruits of friendship will allow us to enjoy permanent peace and happiness within ourselves. This perfection is not only possible - it's totally necessary. This cause can manifest itself into that which is accepted by those who oppose usurious conduct and totalitarian interests in some degree. I want your destiny to be my destiny.

"I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the heart's affections and the truth of imagination -- what the imagination seizes as beauty must be truth -- whether it existed before or not." - John Keats

All of us are capable of attaining the aims and visionary beliefs that are respectful of earthly purity. Stay healthy and find out! It's simply a matter of priority while dealing with what's necessary and what isn't to survive in some manner. My little angel in Heaven will make sure that my harmonoius adjustment will come to pass ... and she'll be keeping an eye on you guys as well!

MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM A GUY WHO LOVES ALL OF YOU!

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/21/04:

Hank lad, I know that your little angel is with you all the time. My family and I wish you the spirit of the holiday throughout the coming year. Your message to all was a very meaningful one. Thank you and I feel the same. Jeremy :)

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Choux asked on 12/20/04 - "Love Your Enemies" said Jesus

I have been thinking of the post that Ronnie made yesterday about Jesus' command to love your enemies. I have been trying to think of my enemies and I **haven't got any**!!!

Who are your *enemies* ???? Do you really have any enemies?? I don't think anyone here has any *ememies*.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/20/04:

No, can't say that I do. The ones that I might have had I have out lived. :)

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Choux asked on 12/20/04 - The Wizard of Oz

I know who animates ATON. :):):) Cordially, Choux

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/20/04:

Choux, could it be that you have a bit of a crush on our lad? :)

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arcura asked on 12/20/04 - Some more thinking on the evidence for Jesus.

As mentioned is the histories of the many Churches establish in a short time after the crucifixion of Jesus. There were no Churches before then. Yes there were other religious places, temples and such but none of the sort like the Christian Churches. They were unique.
Also there were many and scattered around the know world all preaching the same gospel, not of various different gods. Nothing in history compares to that growth. It’s a fact.
Oh yes, there were religious ideas and pagan deities that were brought from one area to another by soldiers, but none of the magnitude or wide spread as was the Christian movement in such a shot time.
It’s good solid evidence of Christ’s influence on his apostles and disciples. Plus the fact they would rather be executed than change their story and belief as history has vividly demonstrated. It’s a fact.
Then there is the documentation that some try to degrade.
The book of John tells a lot about Jesus as does the books of Luke, Mathew and Mark. All are documented facts.
There is no poof of the allegation that others wrote those books. That’s another of the many fabrications.
Taking a look at some of the detractions we see the claim that had they been real witnesses there stories would all be the same. Such short sighted think does not take into account that fact that people differ in how they tell what they have witnessed. Attend any lengthy court trial and that become obvious. Note that even when telling jokes people will tell the tale differently – some even goof up the punch line.
Also is the fact that the witnesses to Jesus life were not all present every moment of time. They told of what they knew and saw when others were not present. The gospel writers wrote of what they saw and knew from their personal experience. Naturally their stories will differ.
If they did not differ then what they wrote would really would be suspect.
Take for instance the statement that Peter was the first to be at the tomb. From the writers point of view he was the first of the apostles there. The writer did not know or ignored the fact that women were there before Peter.
Over the several year ministry of Jesus there were often times when not all apostles were present. There were episodes when several disciples, such as Mark, were with Jesus and some of the apostles.
I’m going to include more from other non Biblical evidence. Some will say it’s just more of the same stuff that has been already available for years.
Yes, it has. It all adds up to greatly more evidence for than the suppositions against. Much of it has been debated pro and con such as the writing of the historian Josephus. There are scholars on both sides of the fence as to what he said about Jesus.
The fact is that most agree that Josephus did indeed include Jesus in his works. The story about the pope tossing it in out of the blue “as an addition” is nonsense. That story is a fabrication.
The preponderance of the massive amount of evidence some small bits, some quite lengthy, all together are facts in strong favor of the evidence that Jesus existed.

Now let’s ponder this.
The non-Christian sources for the historical truth of the Gospels are both few and polluted by hatred and prejudice. A number of reasons have been advanced for this condition of the pagan sources:
• The field of the Gospel history was remote Galilee;
• the Jews were noted as a superstitious race, if we believe Horace (Credat Judoeus Apella, I, Sat., v, 100);
• the God of the Jews was unknown and unintelligible to most pagans of that period;
• the Jews in whose midst Christianity had taken its origin were dispersed among, and hated by, all the pagan nations;
• the Christian religion itself was often confounded with one of the many sects that had sprung up in Judaism, and which could not excite the interest of the pagan spectator.
It is at least certain that neither Jews nor Gentiles suspected in the least the paramount importance of the religion, the rise of which they witnessed among them. These considerations will account for the rarity and the asperity with which Christian events are mentioned by pagan authors. But though Gentile writers do not give us any information about Christ and the early stages of Christianity which we do not possess in the Gospels, and though their statements are made with unconcealed hatred and contempt, still they unwittingly prove the historical value of the facts related by the Evangelists.
We need not delay over a writing entitled the "Acts of Pilate", which must have existed in the second century (Justin, "Apol"., I, 35), and must have been used in the pagan schools to warn boys against the belief of Christians (Euseb., "Hist. Eccl.", I, ix; IX, v); nor need we inquire into the question whether there existed any authentic census tables of Quirinius.
A. Tacitus
We possess at least the testimony of Tacitus (A.D. 54-119) for the statements that the Founder of the Christian religion, a deadly superstition in the eyes of the Romans, had been put to death by the procurator Pontius Pilate under the reign of Tiberius; that His religion, though suppressed for a time, broke forth again not only throughout Judea where it had originated, but even in Rome, the conflux of all the streams of wickness and shamelessness; furthermore, that Nero had diverted from himself the suspicion of the burning of Rome by charging the Christians with the crime; that these latter were not guilty of arson, though they deserved their fate on account of their universal misanthropy. Tacitus, moreover, describes some of the horrible torments to which Nero subjected the Christians (Ann., XV, xliv). The Roman writer confounds the Christians with the Jews, considering them as a especially abject Jewish sect; how little he investigated the historical truth of even the Jewish records may be inferred from the credulity with which he accepted the absurd legends and calumnies about the origin of he Hebrew people (Hist., V, iii, iv).
B. Suetonius
Another Roman writer who shows his acquaintance with Christ and the Christians is Suetonius (A.D. 75-160). It has been noted that Suetonius considered Christ (Chrestus) as a Roman insurgent who stirred up seditions under the reign of Claudius (A.D. 41-54): "Judaeos, impulsore Chresto, assidue tumultuantes (Claudius) Roma expulit" (Clau., xxv). In his life of Nero he regards that emperor as a public benefactor on account of his severe treatment of the Christians: "Multa sub eo et animadversa severe, et coercita, nec minus instituta . . . . afflicti Christiani, genus hominum superstitious novae et maleficae" (Nero, xvi). The Roman writer does not understand that the Jewish troubles arose from the Jewish antagonism to the Messianic character of Jesus Christ and to the rights of the Christian Church.
C. Pliny the Younger
Of greater importance is the letter of Pliny the Younger to the Emperor Trajan (about A.D. 61-115), in which the Governor of Bithynia consults his imperial majesty as to how to deal with the Christians living within his jurisdiction. On the one hand, their lives were confessedly innocent; no crime could be proved against them excepting their Christian belief, which appeared to the Roman as an extravagant and perverse superstition. On the other hand, the Christians could not be shaken in their allegiance to Christ, Whom they celebrated as their God in their early morning meetings (Ep., X, 97, 98). Christianity here appears no longer as a religion of criminals, as it does in the texts of Tacitus and Suetonius; Pliny acknowledges the high moral principles of the Christians, admires their constancy in the Faith (pervicacia et inflexibilis obstinatio), which he appears to trace back to their worship of Christ (carmenque Christo, quasi Deo, dicere).
D. Other pagan writers
The remaining pagan witnesses are of less importance: In the second century Lucian sneered at Christ and the Christians, as he scoffed at the pagan gods. He alludes to Christ's death on the Cross, to His miracles, to the mutual love prevailing among the Christians ("Philopseudes", nn. 13, 16; "De Morte Pereg"). There are also alleged allusions to Christ in Numenius (Origen, "Contra Cels", IV, 51), to His parables in Galerius, to the earthquake at the Crucifixion in Phlegon ( Origen, "Contra Cels.", II, 14). Before the end of the second century, the logos alethes of Celsus, as quoted by Origen (Contra Cels., passim), testifies that at that time the facts related in the Gospels were generally accepted as historically true. However scanty the pagan sources of the life of Christ may be, they bear at least testimony to His existence, to His miracles, His parables, His claim to Divine worship, His death on the Cross, and to the more striking characteristics of His religion.
II. JEWISH SOURCES
A. Philo
Philo, who dies after A.D. 40, is mainly important for the light he throws on certain modes of thought and phraseology found again in some of the Apostles. Eusebius (Hist. Eccl., II, iv) indeed preserves a legend that Philo had met St. Peter in Rome during his mission to the Emperor Caius; moreover, that in his work on the contemplative life he describes the life of the Christian Church in Alexandria founded by St. Mark, rather than that of the Essenes and Therapeutae. But it is hardly probable that Philo had heard enough of Christ and His followers to give an historical foundation to the foregoing legends.
B. Josephus
The earlist non-Christian writer who refers Christ is the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus; born A.D. 37, he was a contemporary of the Apostles, and died in Rome A.D. 94. Two passages in his "Antiquities" which confirm two facts of the inspired Christian records are not disputed. In the one he reports the murder of "John called Baptist" by Herod (Ant., XVIII, v, 2), describing also John's character and work; in the other (Ant., XX, ix, 1) he disappoves of the sentence pronounced by the high priest Ananus against "James, brother of Jesus Who was called Christ." It is antecedently probable that a writer so well informed as Josephus, must have been well acquainted too with the doctrine and the history of Jesus Christ. Seeing, also, that he records events of minor importance in the history of the Jews, it would be surprising if he were to keep silence about Jesus Christ. Consideration for the priests and Pharisees did not prevent him from mentioning the judicial murders of John the Baptist and the Apostle James; his endeavour to find the fulfilment of the Messianic prophecies in Vespasian did not induce him to pass in silence over several Jewish sects, though their tenets appear to be inconsistent with the Vespasian claims. One naturally expects, therefore, a notice about Jesus Christ in Josephus. Antiquities XVIII, iii, 3, seems to satisfy this expectation:
About this time appeared Jesus, a wise man (if indeed it is right to call Him man; for He was a worker of astonishing deeds, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with joy), and He drew to Himself many Jews (many also of Greeks. This was the Christ.) And when Pilate, at the denunciation of those that are foremost among us, had condemned Him to the cross, those who had first loved Him did not abandon Him (for He appeared to them alive again on the third day, the holy prophets having foretold this and countless other marvels about Him.) The tribe of Christians named after Him did not cease to this day.
A testimony so important as the foregoing could not escape the work of the critics. Their conclusions may be reduced to three headings: those who consider the passage wholly spurious; those who consider it to be wholly authentic; and those who consider it to be a little of each.
Those who regard the passage as spurious
First, there are those who consider the whole passage as spurious. The principal reasons for this view appear to be the following:
• Josephus could not represent Jesus Christ as a simple moralist, and on the other hand he could not emphasize the Messianic prophecies and expectations without offending the Roman susceptibilities;
• the above cited passage from Josephus is said to be unknown to Origen and the earlier patristic writers;
• its very place in the Josephan text is uncertain, since Eusebius (Hist. Eccl., II, vi) must have found it before the notices concerning Pilate, while it now stands after them.
But the spuriousness of the disputed Josephan passage does not imply the historian's ignorance of the facts connected with Jesus Christ. Josephus's report of his own juvenile precocity before the Jewish teachers (Vit., 2) reminds one of the story of Christ's stay in the Temple at the age of twelve; the description of his shipwreck on his journey to Rome (Vit., 3) recalls St. Paul's shipwreck as told in the Acts; finally his arbitrary introduction of a deceit practised by the priests of Isis on a Roman lady, after the chapter containing his supposed allusion to Jesus, shows a disposition to explain away the virgin birth of Jesus and to prepare the falsehoods embodied in the later Jewish writings.
Those who regard the passage as authentic, with some spurious additions
A second class of critics do not regard the whole of Josephus's testimony concerning Christ as spurious but they maintain the interpolation of parts included above in parenthesis. The reasons assigned for this opinion may be reduced to the following two:
• Josephus must have mentioned Jesus, but he cannot have recognized Him as the Christ; hence part of our present Josephan text must be genuine, part must be interpolated.
• Again, the same conclusion follows from the fact that Origen knew a Josephan text about Jesus, but was not acquainted with our present reading; for, according to the great Alexandrian doctor, Josephus did not believe that Jesus was the Messias ("In Matth.", xiii, 55; "Contra Cels.", I, 47).
Whatever force these two arguments have is lost by the fact that Josephus did not write for the Jews but for the Romans; consequently, when he says, "This was the Christ", he does not necessarily imply that Jesus was the Christ considered by the Romans as the founder of the Christian religion.
Those who consider it to be completely genuine
The third class of scholars believe that the whole passage concerning Jesus, as it is found today in Josephus, is genuine. The main arguments for the genuineness of the Josephan passage are the following:
• First, all codices or manuscripts of Josephus's work contain the text in question; to maintain the spuriousness of the text, we must suppose that all the copies of Josephus were in the hands of Christians, and were changed in the same way.
• Second, it is true that neither Tertullian nor St. Justin makes use of Josephus's passage concerning Jesus; but this silence is probably due to the contempt with which the contemporary Jews regarded Josephus, and to the relatively little authority he had among the Roman readers. Writers of the age of Tertullian and Justin could appeal to living witnesses of the Apostolic tradition.
• Third, Eusebius ("Hist. Eccl"., I, xi; cf. "Dem. Ev.", III, v) Sozomen (Hist. Eccl., I, i), Niceph. (Hist. Eccl., I, 39), Isidore of Pelusium (Ep. IV, 225), St. Jerome (catal.script. eccles. xiii), Ambrose, Cassiodorus, etc., appeal to the testimony of Josephus; there must have been no doubt as to its authenticity at the time of these illustrious writers.
• Fourth, the complete silence of Josephus as to Jesus would have been a more eloquent testimony than we possess in his present text; this latter contains no statement incompatible with its Josephan authorship: the Roman reader needed the information that Jesus was the Christ, or the founder of the Christian religion; the wonderful works of Jesus and His Resurrection from the dead were so incessantly urged by the Christians that without these attributes the Josephan Jesus would hardly have been acknowledged as the founder of Christianity.
All this does not necessarily imply that Josephus regarded Jesus as the Jewish Messias; but, even if he had been convinced of His Messiahship, it does not follow that he would have become a Christian. A number of posssible subterfuges might have supplied the Jewish historian with apparently sufficient reasons for not embracing Christianity.
C. Other Jewish Sources
The historical character of Jesus Christ is also attested by the hostile Jewish literature of the subsequent centuries. His birth is ascribed to an illicit ("Acta Pilati" in Thilo, "Codex apocryph. N.T., I, 526; cf. Justin, "Apol.", I, 35), or even an adulterous, union of His parents (Origen, "Contra Cels.," I, 28, 32). The father's name is Panthera, a common soldier (Gemara "Sanhedrin", viii; "Schabbath", xii, cf. Eisenmenger, "Entdecktes Judenthum", I, 109; Schottgen, "Horae Hebraicae", II, 696; Buxtorf, "Lex. Chald.", Basle, 1639, 1459, Huldreich, "Sepher toledhoth yeshua hannaceri", Leyden, 1705). The last work in its final edition did not appear before the thirteenth century, so that it could give the Panthera myth in its most advanced form. Rosch is of opinion that the myth did not begin before the end of the first century.
The later Jewish writings show traces of acquaintance with the murder of the Holy Innocents (Wagenseil, "Confut. Libr.Toldoth", 15; Eisenmenger op. cit., I, 116; Schottgen, op. cit., II, 667), with the flight into Egypt (cf. Josephus, "Ant." XIII, xiii), with the stay of Jesus in the Temple at the age of twelve (Schottgen, op. cit., II, 696), with the call of the disciples ("Sanhedrin", 43a; Wagenseil, op. cit., 17; Schottgen, loc. cit., 713), with His miracles (Origen, "Contra Cels", II, 48; Wagenseil, op. cit., 150; Gemara "Sanhedrin" fol. 17); "Schabbath", fol. 104b; Wagenseil, op.cit., 6, 7, 17), with His claim to be God (Origen, "Contra Cels.", I, 28; cf. Eisenmenger, op. cit., I, 152; Schottgen, loc. cit., 699) with His betrayal by Judas and His death (Origen, "Contra cels.", II, 9, 45, 68, 70; Buxtorf, op. cit., 1458; Lightfoot, "Hor. Heb.", 458, 490, 498; Eisenmenger, loc. cit., 185; Schottgen, loc. cit.,699 700; cf. "Sanhedrin", vi, vii). Celsus (Origen, "Contra Cels.", II, 55) tries to throw doubt on the Resurrection, while Toldoth (cf. Wagenseil, 19) repeats the Jewish fiction that the body of Jesus had been stolen from the sepulchre.
III. CHRISTIAN SOURCES
Among the Christian sources of the life of Jesus we need hardly mention the so called Agrapha and Apocrypha. For whether the Agrapha contain Logia of Jesus, or refer to incidents in His life, they are either highly uncertain or present only variations of the Gospel story. The chief value of the Apocrypha consists in their showing the infinite superiority of the Inspired Writings by contrasting the coarse and erroneous productions of the human mind with the simple and sublime truths written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
Among the Sacred Books of the New Testament, it is especially the four Gospels and the four great Epistles of St. Paul that are of the highest importance for the construction of the life of Jesus.
The four great Pauline Epistles (Romans, Galatians, and First and Second Corinthinas) can hardly be overestimated by the student of Christ's life; they have at times been called the "fifth gospel" their authenticity has never been assailed by serious critics; their testimony is also earlier than that of the Gospels, at least most of the Gospels; it is the more valuable because it is incidental and undesigned; it is the testimony of a highly intellectual and cultured writer, who had been the greatest enemy of Jesus, who writes within twenty-five years of the events which he relates. At the same time, these four great Epistles bear witness to all the most important facts in the life of Christ: His Davidic dscent, His poverty, His Messiahship, His moral teaching, His preaching of the kingdom of God, His calling of the apostles, His miraculous power, His claims to be God, His betrayal, His institution of the Holy Eucharist, His passion, crucifixion, burial, resurrection, His repeated appearances (Romans 1:3-4; 5:11; 8:2-3; 8:32; 9:5; 15:8; Galatians 2:17; 3:13; 4:4; 5:21; First Corinthians 6:9; 13:4; etc.). However important the four great Epistles may be, the gospels are still more so. Not that any one of them offers a complete biography of Jesus, but they account for the origin of Christianity by the life of its Founder. Questions like the authenticity of the Gospels, the relation between the Synoptic Gospels, and the Fourth, the Synoptic problem, must be studied in the articles referring to these respective subjects.


jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/20/04:

Arcura, I have to admit that your search has been extensive, but leave poor Jesus alone already. Just rejoice in his birth and have a very Merry Christmas. There is no need to prove something that you believe in. Just be happy in your belief and praise Him as you do.
Be in peace. :)

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Choux asked on 12/20/04 - Merry Christmas Pledge

I pledge to be kind and thoughtful through the Christmas season and to refrain from taking shots at my fellow Board members such as Ronnie and Aton and Gadedude. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/20/04:

Oh, oh, what can we expect after Christmas? LOL! Choux whatever you say, you are still a great lady and I wish you and Nick, now that I know he is a cat, a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/20/04 - CIVIL RESPECT:



I will respect you if you are yourself respectful.

I will treat you with decency if you are decent.

I will not harm you if you are not harmful.

In personal morality, basic respect constitutes a core commitment to the well-being and dignity of others. The fundamental moral commitment of ALL human societies is the most important global challenge for the next century. Don't be passive. Be optimistic!

"Do not anticipate trouble or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight." - Benjamin Franklin

I attest to the above! Do you?

HANK





jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/20/04:

Nope, I don't. In other words I will only treat you as you treat me, if you should differ slightly I will not treat you well.

Same goes for the others. As far as not anticipating trouble or worry about it coming about, well it all depends on what situations you find yourself in. If you are at war, you cannot not worry or anticipate that nothing will happen. If you are in a neighborhood knowing that it is dangerous, you cannot assume that nothing will happen etc. As far as everyday petty things like will I receive a letter or win the lotto, that I would not worry about at all.:)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/19/04 - Predictions, E.S.P., Etc....... Gift From God.......

Hello Again Everybody,

People claim to have good instincts. People see things before things happen. Different people call this gift many different things.

For myself i believe that it is a Gift from God and that there are genuine people who have a gift of seeing things before they happen or rely more on inner voice we all have. I have had many experiances of my own and i know that it is because of an open mind and that it is a gift from God.

Have any of you have had amazing experiances with predictions or very good instincts? I would be interesting in hearing about it. Thank you in advance!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/19/04:

I just call it a gut feeling. If I feel that something is wrong, I do not go there, nor do I do it. Whether it is a God given gift, I truly cannot answer that. I think that we all posses it in one form or another. My spiritual experience was of that sort, but a bit more complex. Think of the people in the remote areas of hardly any civilization, yet they know when danger is about, or when the weather will change. It is a very interesting topic, and can be discussed for many years. :) As for predicting the future, well, anyone can do that. Either it will come to pass or not! :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/19/04 - DNA

I heard a recent science report that they are trying to claim that the genes and information in our makeup is what creates our need and desire for a God. Is there a God gene in our DNA. Have you heard of this. Imagine if this becomes main stream belief because science says its fact. Will people believe this? What consequences could this type of belief have?

God created us. I personally feel that we are more then just Genes and DNA that we have a soul, spirit, mind that is a connection to our Creator, God. I do not think that Science can explain away God. Even if they try! What are your thoughts.

Thank you in advance!

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/19/04:

God is God/Creator of the Universe. If DNA is what creates our need and desire for a God, then so be it. However, I did not find God for a long time. I was a total none believer. Then one day I had a spiritual experience, very personal, and it made be a believer. If it were in our DNA I would have had the need since I was a wee lad. You might find this link interesting. Be in peace. :)

http://www.family.org/teenguys/breakmag/departments/a0033928.html

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/19/04 - Tradition? Different Days? Does it really matter?

Christmas Day. The day Jesus Christ was Born. Most of us celebrate it on December 25th.

Different denominations around the world celebrate this at a different time of the year.

What is your take on this. Some people claim Jesus was born in the Winter, Some say Really in the Summer. Some want to specify an exact date. Does this really matter. To some people it does.

As long as we reconise and celebrate Jesus birth does it really matter what time of the year he was born? OR What day he was born?

Heard an american Christmas commercial say did you know kids that Santa Claus delivers Christmas gifts all around the world, that would mean that he delivers to 800 homes in one second. Okay we all know that not everybody celebrates Christmas the same day. Where do these days come from and how many denominations or religions celebrate it on different days. I know lots of questions. A lot of people ask these questions. I personally am not to concerned about it. It is good get the thoughts from others.

I personally feel its just tradition, i personally feel it doesnt matter what day we celebrate it on as long as we reconize the importance of the holiday.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/19/04:

You are right, it really does not matter when He was born. We celebrate according to the Gregorian calendar, and the Eastern Orthodox, Greeks, Russians, Ukrainians, etc., celebrate his birth by the old Julian Calendar, which is 13 days later than our December 25 date. So, they would celebrate it on January 7. I agree with you on that it is a tradition but what a beautiful one. To see the eyes of the innocent children sparkle at the sight of a tree full of lights, to feel the comfort and joy of family and good friends. What could be better than that?

However, who really cares? It is not the time, nor the place. It is a personal thing where we celebrate a birth of the goodness of a man named Jesus. Although there is no exact proof of his ever being, there is within us who believe. So, we celebrate and rejoice in Him no matter if the date is accurate or not. Merry Christmas to you and yours. :)

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CeeBee2 asked on 12/19/04 - Ok, let's discuss this --

(it being the season of joy and love and giving and all that...) -- How does a Christian (or ANYone, for that matter) get along with and fruitfully discuss topics with someone who seemingly - or obviously - doesn't agree?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/19/04:

In a civilized manner. Each respecting the opinion/views of the other. But now CeeBee1 that would never work, would it? At my age, it is not hard, but the younger people still raise their debates to the level of hens in a henhouse! :) MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM MY HOUSE TO YOURS. HAVE A HAPPY AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR.

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LTgolf asked on 12/19/04 - Turning the other cheek

Is it expected for good people to turn the other cheek when being called names, attacked, threatened, and verbally abused..

I refer to the foul language, name calling, insults, and verbal abuse that ((( ATON )) bestowes upon the people here on this board, in particular, the women.

I need not produce any evidence of this here simply because all the evidence is in all of his responces and clarifications, everyone here has read them, seen them and taken offense to them.

In his latest tantrum he has threatened powderpuff and refered to her as being stupid, in the past he has called Choux many names. To me this is not exceptable.

Atons terroristic tactics and actions and childish tantrems will in the long run cause people to leave this board and in fact the entire site.

If this post is misconstrued as a personal attack toward ATON by the bleeding hearts , so be it. His language and insults are public record throughout all of his responces and can not be refuted.

ATON may talk and act like that at home but this is a public domain and people here should be treated with respect.

All answeres to my above question are appreciated.

Leon

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/19/04:

I don't understand why everyone is on the attack as far as Aton is concerned. I have seen him get worse than he gets. I feel that we are all different people, and we should be able to express our opinions. I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus. I have had personal face to face spiritual experiences where no one can shake my faith. Why does it bother so many when Aton writes the truth as he sees it? I find him to be very knowledgeable, at times amusing, but always straightforward, something that is a rare commodity in life or on this board. Even his exchanges with Choux, show a mutual admiration. What Choux wrote about Aton being a member of Hamas and a terrorist supporter is far worse than what he wrote to her. It is through comments like that, that creates hatred, bigotry, misrepresentation of other religions. Wars have been started because of thoughts like that.
I am so secure in my faith, that no one can shake it. Aton believes in Creator/God, however he is right in that there is no historical proof that Jesus was. That does not make me believe in Him any less. Truth is truth. Instead of attacking Aton, why not listen to his vast knowledge on many subjects and drink it in. Everyone is entitled to believe what they believe. If people are true Christians and not pseudo-Christians, then their feathers should not be ruffled. You still believe in the same way that I believe. However, if your belief is on shaky ground, then you will attack anyone who has something else to contribute. Knowledge is wonderful. Sharing of ideas, ideologies, cultures, and humanity as a whole is a blessing. So take Aton for what he is and sometimes try to see some of the wisdom that he does display. If you do not agree with it, it should not make you a disbeliever. Even with Krewton and all the back and forth banter there is a warped camaraderie. If you think that it is all right to threaten Aton, call him names, and try to knock him down, don't. He believes what he believes. If Christianity is not his thing, that is his personal business and should not effect anyone. I find him to be a joy to have on this board. A few days ago Choux asked "Was Aton thrown off the board by a woman." That to me, means that she missed him. She and he have a special relationship and I do not think that Choux nor Aton take to heart what they squabble about.
In all fairness, Aton gets as good as he receives.
I want to take this opportunity to wish all of you a HAPPY HOLIDAY AND A JOYOUS AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR. Be in peace everyone, and believe what you believe in, and if someone differs from you, embrace that person, do not slam him. That is what Jesus would do. Who here can claim to be better than God our Creator?

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revdauphinee asked on 12/18/04 - Just figured it out

Aton is jelous ,He fancies himself a God.
"aton, was the name for the sun-god, which, , had achieved preeminence among the competing deities in Egyptian religious tradition.
So a God cannot accept any others namely Jesus !

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/18/04:

Do you mean Aten? Well, if Aton is Aten, then their is a lot of physical as well as historical background, backed by hieroglyphics of the sun god.
Are you serious? Just because Aton says that there is no historical evidence of there being a Jesus, and he does not believe that he was the son of God, you make him into a God? How far is this going to go? So then everyone else on this earth who is not a Christian is a god unto himself? Please Revdauphinee, don't make Christianity look as if we cannot believe what we believe and let others do the same. This is as ridicules as peanut butter made from a cow!
Don't worry about Aton and what he believes or does not believe. You have your belief, it brings you peace, as it does me. But to imply that Aton is a sun god, considers himself a god and is jealous is really absurd.
Have a very Merry Christmas and celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Don't worry your head with nonesense. :)

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Krewton asked on 12/17/04 - Time to go.

Sorry to break alot of hearts, but the company I work for has seen fit to send me to New York City for a Seminar. (Boooorrrrrrinnnnnggggggg!) Anyway's be gone for a week. Asked Aton for his A.D. but so far it has not been forthcoming. C ya when I git back. Keep Cylus in line if at all possible also)))))

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/17/04:

Well, at least they picked a nice season for you to come to NYC. You will enjoy the sights, especially in the evening. Christmas in New York is beautiful. So through all this "friendly" debate you would like to visit Aton? I think that is nice, but would love to be a fly on the wall if the two of you should actually meet.
Have a Merry Christmas and hope you make it home before the tree is lit. :)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/17/04 - Christmas Celebration Debates!

Hello!

Just short version my wifes mother and sister has caused many problems and interefered many times. Very manipultive. My wife has not felt comfortable going over there since all the trouble and her mother has been making her feel guilty about not visiting as often or not going to her place. My wife was going to invite her mother over to our place and all of a sudden her mother invites my Wifes bestfriend for christmas. I think its a way of getting her to come over. I encourage my wife to keep intouch and spend time with her family but i had enough and her mother knows i will not go over, yet she invited both of us to go. I said i am not going. What do you think about this. I told my wife that it makes me look like the bad guy. Her going there even though she says she wants to be with me. I do want a happy Christmas and we are still planning to have our own time together. Its hard though not being with my wife. I want Christmas to be a happy time but for me its sort of a sad time too because of the memories of major hurts.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/17/04:

To please your wife, you should make an appearance. I had the same problem, was stubborn, didn't want to go, and therefore, divided my family and hurt my wife. It's not worth it. Go, enjoy as much as you can. At least you will stun them in their own game. Be better than they are. Stay a short while, and make sure to let everyone know that next year it will be in your house. The past is the past. Move forward and be a better man and husband for it. Your main priority is your wife. By being without her at this joyeous time, is not good and will create bad feelings and have your mother-in-law gloating at how right she was about you. Don't give her that satisfaction. Just my opinion. Have a wonderful Christmas and enjoy your wife and your union. :)

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CeeBee2 asked on 12/16/04 - *private question*

So tell me about your record collection.

CeeBee/Carol
ceebee1110@yahoo.com

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/17/04:

My dear CeeBee1, if it's a record collection that you are interested in, I have almost every one from the late 50's through today. My mother used to hoard them. I still have most of them, in the basement. Sometimes my girls and grandchildren, will take out the old record player and play anything from Elvis's first album, to Chopin, Strauss, and the BeeGees. So, if you ever care to drop by, hint, hint, I would be more than happy to share them with you. Sandra would not mind I am sure. My son-in-law has transfered some onto CD's and that is a joy, if only these arthritic hands could pry open that darn little box that they come in. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/17/04 - ATON:


Can you prove that there wasn't and isn't a Jesus?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/17/04:

While there is no historical proof of Jesus ever being, he does well in each person who believes in him. The proof is within the comfort, the solace, the happiness that the belief can bring. So, therefore, he does exist to those who believe. Who cares if he was fact or fiction, billions throughout centuries have believed in Him, but if one does not, God will not punish you. See Hank, the Creator and God are the same, if you take away the biblical sense. Neither can be a proven fact, yet to each on of us, even Aton, both, which are one, do exist.
Be in peace. :)

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ATON2 asked on 12/17/04 - Why????

In response to arcura's posting on the lack of evidence for a historical Jesus, many of the self-designated Christian responded that there are many proofs for the existence of Jesus. Why, then, have they been so reluctant to post those proofs??????? Except for a little name calling, a little hand wringing, and a lot of 'emotional' rhetoric...NOT ONE (not even arcura who made the claim to begin with) has backed up his/her response with an ounce of proof. Why????? Curious minds want to know :) :) :)

Not interested in any subjective, emotional responses relative to what Jesus MEANS to you, or what your acceptance of him has done to your life....just the facts!!!!

p.s. Is this question Christian enough to pass muster on a 'Christainity' page. LOL

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/17/04:

My dear lad. You as well as I, know that there is no historical evidence that Jesus ever existed. However, being that he has lasted for billions of people throughout the centuries has to be acknowledged. He is acknowledged not only by Christians, but by other religions. Not in the same capacity as a Christians would like you to believe, as the Son of God, but as a man of great deeds. No, you will find no proof anywhere, as there is no proof of our Creator/God. The proof of his existance is within the person who believes. The end.
Have a wonderful Holiday, enjoy your family and keep us bouncing on our brain cells. It's good for our mental soul. :)

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Krewton asked on 12/17/04 - Save me some!

Aton, if you detest Christians so much, then why do you sicken yourself by coming here to hear our Jesus babble. Personally I hate my daughters "Hip Hop" music and can't turn the channel fast enough. If ya don't like it, turn the channel. We are "Born Again Christians" here, it's what we are, it's what we do. Live it.......Learn it........Love it))))))))))

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/17/04:

There is no historical evidence that Jesus existed. There is no proof. The only proof that IS, is in the hearts of the believers. For centuries Christians have believed in a man named Jesus. Billions have had him in their hearts for centuries, so whether fact or myth, there is this entity that we do call the Son of God, that has been in man's heart and has saved many a soul. Who else has been able to achieve the status of Jesus? Even none Christians acknowledge him in one form or another.

As for proof, well, I think that the proof is within each person who believes in him. If it gives a person faith and comfort, what harm can it do? Many an addict, solitary person, one who has given up on his/her life, has been not the ideal citizen according to his/her time or enviornment, has changed for the better through belief in Jesus, well, than kudos to Jesus.

As far as any proof, as Pete H. wants, no, there is none and none will be found. However, if you want proof that he even exists today, he does in the spirit of comfort, reassurance, and heart of those that do believe.

Krewton's soap box stand is not that of a true Christian, nor is Paraclete's. You can be a believer, but you do not have to use bigotry and hatred to prove that Jesus exists within you. Aton is a brilliant man. His way is a little different from that of a Christian, but yet he knows that their is a Creator. There is no solid proof of his Creator as there is none of our God. As far as I am concerned,his Creator is the same as God. What he does not believe in, is his, and his alone. We can learn and listen, and we can also let him know of our belief without slamming it in his face. So, forget about Christianity the the lack of, we are all connected to one being, whether we know of him/her does not matter. In the end, we will all meet our God/Creator, so why all this turmoil over a man who brought many together?
Have a Happy Holiday Season from Sandra and myself. Enjoy your families and friends, and be in peace. And Krewton, as I see it, this board is for Christians of all denominations, not only for "born again". It is a Q&A Board where one and all should be welcomed, and ideas should be shared, even if they do not meet with your beliefs.
:)

Jeremy

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Mathatmacoat asked on 12/14/04 - Body piercing

Should Christians do body piercing. A lady friend of mine has just had her tongue pierced. I think this is a no no for Christians, but how do I back this up?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/14/04:

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

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hOPE12 asked on 12/14/04 - Should Christians Support the Death Penalty?

Hello Everyone,


“Is it morally and ethically right or wrong.” “Is it fair and righteous?

With the Scott Peterson trial just coming to a close and ending in the death penalty, what are your views on this matter? Some argue that capital punishment protects the innocent, promotes justice, and deters serious crime. Others insist that it is immoral—a way of responding to violence with more violence and far inferior to the nobler task of rehabilitating criminals, helping them to become useful members of society.

This debate is especially intense, and religious leaders have not hesitated to get involved. You may wonder, though, ‘Does the Bible have anything to say on the subject of capital punishment?’

If so What and can you personally justify taking another man’s life for the life they took?

If you are not a believer in the Bible, then how do you justify your choice to be either for or against the death penalty? This is a weighty decision, needing much forethought and personal heart searching. Before answering this question, think about it and then comment.

If you are a bible reader before answering read these scriptures please and then comment.
John 15:19
John 6:15
Ecclesiastes 8:4
Jeremiah 25:31-33;
Revelation 19:11-21.
After reading these scriptures think about his below:

Human governments have certainly wielded “the sword” for the sake of justice many times. But it must be admitted that they have also been guilty of misusing it. (Ecclesiastes 8:9) The government of ancient Rome was guilty of wielding “the sword” of judicial execution against innocent servants of God. John the Baptizer, James, and even Jesus Christ were among its victims.—Matthew 14:8-11; Mark 15:15; Acts 12:1, 2.
In modern times something similar has happened. Innocent servants of Jehovah have been executed in various countries—by firing squad, by guillotine, by hanging, by gas chamber—all of it “legally” carried out by governments trying to suppress Christianity. All powers that abuse their authority will render an account to God. What terrible bloodguilt they bear!—Revelation 6:9, 10.
Take care,
Hope12

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/14/04:

I will only answer with a few words. What about the innocent victim? Was it fair to kill Lacy Peterson? Did she deserve to die while carrying a child? This is the problem, why is it all right for a helpless victim to die, without a jury, and the killer gets to either walk, spend time in jail, or the ultimate, the death penalty? Personally, I am for the helpless victims, not the ones who commit murder. This applies to civilians on a personal level as well as war. Killing is killing. It can never be right.

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Saladin asked on 12/13/04 - Brightening the QB ... ... ...



... ... ... ...

Isn't brightening up the Christianity QB a bit like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?

Surely, there peripheral matters are not the heart of this community, or are they?

Why not liven up the board by a better quality of question and an elevated standard of answers?

Your opinions invoked.

:)

Ronnie

Excon: Y00r kwj!

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/14/04:

I think that you are our shining star on here. I am that unsteady chair on the Titanic. I think that this time of year is a light and jolly time. So, why not wait until after the New Year to start with the heavy brainers? You are a pip!
:)

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/13/04 - Many People, Many Thoughts, Many Opinions and Views!

Its how you interact with everybody. Its how you listen to others even though you may not agree with them. Its letting others know what you think. Many people of differernt cultures, religions, opinions and views are on this board. It is good to get to know each and every one of you.

Just would like to say well wishes and thoughts and prayers with everybody in this special time for gathering with friends and family.

Joe

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/14/04:

Best wishes for a wonderful Christmas, and this Board is a great place of many thoughts, ideas, sharing and caring. I see all of you, even though some might disagree, still there is a lot of love on here and I hope that it stays this way always. Thank you for your wishes. :)

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Choux asked on 12/13/04 - Holiday Complaining

I agree with Sal, let's brighten up the Board! Let this be the thread for all those who want to complain about something, especially their health! With this innovation, we who are *not interested* in a bunch of bellyaching can avoid this thread!!!

I'll start. I have had a cold for at least six weeks, probably closer to two months. I am so tired of it!!

Next::

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/14/04:

Dear Choux, six weeks? Shouldn't you go and see a doctor? I do not have anything to complain about thank God. Sandra and I are in good health. It's that wart on my nose that bothers me! LOL! Be well, and get over that cold. I will drop in on you on Christmas day. You better be here minus cold and smiling. :)

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Bradd asked on 12/13/04 - All Things Considered

Well, it's the Holiday Season and I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas, a Happy Chanukah, and a joyous Kwanza.

This is a fun page at AW - rarely dull and always filled with passion.

I think Jesus would have gotten a kick out of it.

And Lao-tsu, and Buddha, and Mohammed, and Joseph Smith, and Moses, and all the others.

Carry on, regardless!

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/13/04:

Bradd, my wife and I wish you and yours a wonderful Christmas full of the joys of life and good health. Thank you for your wishes. :)

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ethical_reason asked on 12/13/04 - crazy talk

I'm away for two weeks and someone gets called a Satanist?

If Aton's a Satanist then why wait for some 3+ years to spring his divisive Satanism on us one day in a post just like all the other posts we get on here?

Ridiculous, I’m no Aton fan but that’s crazy talk.




jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/13/04:

I don't think that we have met. I am Jeremy. The oldest guy on here, I think. Anyway, Aton is a decent human being, he was almost called that, but he has his beliefs and they should be respected. He is a brilliant man. If some do not agree with him, that is their prerogative, but honestly, even though it might seem that strong words were used, basically it was just friendly banter going back and forth. You are right, it is crazy talk. But no ones beliefs should be knocked down, they are to be digested and maybe someone can get a feel for more than the usual as far as religious beliefs go. Be in peace. :)

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Saladin asked on 12/13/04 - CHRISTMAS WARNING ...


Christmas has been canceled
and it is all your fault
because you told Santa
you had been good this year.



And he died laughing

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/13/04:

Well, better put my suit away. Do my Grandkids know this? Darn, and I was looking forward to being stuck in the chimney again! Sal, what a Scrooge you are. LOL! :)

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Saladin asked on 12/12/04 - Why don't we have an election to .........

....... elect a Jacob Marley and a Tiny Tim?


These are very neglected characaters without whom Christmas would be the Dickens of a time!



For Jake da Spook, I vote for yqhi (code!), and for Miniscule Tim I nominate w60j (also code!).

:)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/13/04:

Can't crack you code. Jacob should lie in peace, Tiny Tim well, here is my code. 811411. :)

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Choux asked on 12/12/04 - Busy Weekend

I bet everyone had a busy weekend as I did. I put a decoration on my door, did some housecleaning and floor cleaning, reorganized my monthly food supply and made lists, moved this and that, and cut my hair. Now, that haircut is the only problem in an otherwise delightful approach to Christmas! I spent two hours, made sure as much as I could that it was even, and sure enough, I now have a crew cut.I won't lie to you, it looks terrible.

What fun things did you do over the weekend to get ready for Christmas??? :):):)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/12/04:

We had a quiet weekend. My daughters and their husbands and children are preparing for Christmas, at my house. Sandra and I cleaned house, well, she did most of the work, because she calls me deficiant in that area. Then we put on Christmas Carols and up went the fake tree. All the ornaments. Then came the lights, which of course did not work. So we went and bought new ones. They finally sparkled with light. Then she did her reading and I mine. We both fixed dinner together and being totally exhausted, we went to bed around ten. It was a nice day, full of Christmas fun and waiting for the grandchildren coming next weekend to destroy what we made worked so hard on. But that is the joy of it.

:)

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Saladin asked on 12/12/04 - One more time ... ... ... ... ...

... ... ... ...

I draw a silver veil over my last question. It was a zinger of a question, but the answers deserve decent burials.

Yet I am, unabashed.

Here is another question, this time to test whether your powers of sound reasoning exceed your ability to reach moral decisions based on a hypothetical case:

First, read this:

All dogs are mammals.
All collies are mammals.
Therefore, all collies are dogs.



Although the conclusion of this argument is true, the argument is wrong. That is, we have a correct conclusion based on an unsound argument.

Question: What is wrong with the argument?

:)

Ronnie - in whose breast, hope springs eternally


jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/12/04:

All dogs are mammals.
All collies are mammals.
Therefore, all collies are dogs.

Okay, this is deep, and probably wrong, but

l. is 2. All collies are mammals.
2 is 3. Therefore, all collies are dogs.
3. is 2. All collies are mammals.

So that has to have a deeper meaning as in:
All believers in Christ are Christian.
Catholics are Christian.
Therefore all Catholics are believers.

But that is not all true so it has to do with hyprocrites, so then...Oh, I see, it has to be that all dogmatists are disbelievers. All bigots are hypocrites. Therefore,all bigots are hyprocrites. Ah, please let this be right. Is the analogy correct? :) Okay, now don't ask me to do it again...Today!

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HANK1 asked on 12/12/04 - TALLY!



We're all ANGELS most of the time!

We're all SCROOGES once in awhile!

HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON ... ALL OF YOU ANGELS AND SCROOGES! THAT'S MY CHRISTMAS WISH!

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/12/04:

do you have one of those computer cameras? Can you see me? I will not recycle that God awful tie I received last year. Okay? Geez, Hank, now I am paranoid. Oh, but then we are angels most of the time. So you saw me make a check out for St. Jude. Right? Okay, now shut the camera. It's not nice to spy! HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU AS WELL HANK. I KNOW THESE WILL BE ROUGH ON YOU, BUT YOU KNOW THAT MANY HERE CARE. I FOR ONE WILL BE WITH YOU IN SPIRIT DURING THAT TIME. Be in peace.
Jeremy :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/12/04 - ANGELS!



It's also time to elect a couple of Christmas ANGELS! Nominate two ... a male and a female! (No mistletoe, please!)

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/12/04:

I thought that picking Angels was God's job. I would never think of taking it away from Him. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/12/04 - SCROOGE!



It's time to elect a SCROOGE that we can 'HANG' on our Christmas tree. Who do you nominate?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/12/04:

Are Scrooges hung on Christmas trees? Gee, live and learn. Hank, Scrooge became very generous at the end of the story. The end. :)

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ATON2 asked on 12/11/04 - Hebrew Heaven?????

Might as well join the party!!! My question:

Is the anonymous writer of part of the Penteteuch, who has come to be known as MOSES, in the Christian heaven? Or is there a separate heaven for ancient Hebrews?????? I mean he never met Christ, and never became a Christian, and we know that Jews are not allowed into the Christian heaven, so....?????????? Just curious :)

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/11/04:

Well, being that Jesus was as Hebrew as Moses, I guess that the Jews have the rights on heaven, and they only allow the good Christians in because they are nice. Yes? No? My other answer would be Brighton Beach, but don't want to offend anyone. :)

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arcura asked on 12/11/04 - To the Bible Bashers. Prove your claim of errors.

Why is it that those who claim the Bible has contradictions do not list them?
Or even what they seem or perceive to be so.
If when they make such a post and do not provide for others what they claim is there then the post, comment, and/or statement has no merit and should not be considered.
Then there are those who claim that there is no proof so and so or such and such ever existed, yet they provide no valid proof needed to reach such a conclusion.
Let those who make such a claim prove that an effort to provide the proof they claim does not exists first prove the claim is valid.
Peace and kindness, arcura

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/11/04:

The bible is a spiritual guide, but should not be taken word for word. You also have to be open minded while reading it and not interpret it to meet your own bias or preconceived needs.

We can start with kindergarden. Incest is a sin. Leviticus 20:11. Then who did Adam and Eve's children have children with? An eye for an eye, then turn the other cheek.In Romans 13:9, Paul and his righteous ways, always forgive your enemy. What did he do with Barnabas? I don't even wish to reach first grade. It goes on and on.

I find it a comfort to read the bible, as I do many books on other religions. But I cannot say, nor can anyone else, that all the events written by men that are unknown to us, to be gospel. Each one of us must see it for what it is. Some good, some bad. It is our own personal conduct that is important and not that of what was way back then. We can follow what applies to our own moral standards, but not misconstrue something that we were not witness to.

You call it Bible bashing. A very strong statement for someone being able to tell the truth.

Ronnie said it very well in his bashing statement, no one could have said it better.
Be in peace. :)

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Saladin asked on 12/11/04 - *** By popular request - a Moral question for Christians (but everyone is welcome to engage it's



Hank, Aton, and Clete were trekking on foot across a strip of desert land that had no oases and no watering place.

Both Hank and Clete had decided, independently from, and without notifying, the other, that this would be Aton's last trip anywhere.

Before the journey began, Clete put some deadly poison in Aton's reserve water canteen.

They journeyed for two days, at the end of which their main canteens were empty. This left their reserve canteens with just enough water for them to make the trip out of the arid landscape on the morrow.

During the night, Hank sneaked (I can't bring myself to write "snuck"!) out of his tent and poured out all of Aton's water from his reserve canteen onto the parched sand.

Hank and Clete had only sufficient to keep them alive on the last leg of their journey, and could not spare a drop for Aton, who was beginning to show signs of pathological dehydration.

In the heat of the noonday sun, Aton breathed his last.

Hank and Clete made their weary way to the edge of the desert and refreshed themselves at Carol's Brownie and Burger Joint before catching an express camel back to town.


The questions are:

1. Was Aton murdered?
2. If he was murdered, who murdered him?
3. Was it "Hank the Poisoner"?
4. Was it "Clete the Watershedder"?
5. Did Clete save Aton from being murdered by Hank by sheddding his toxic water?
6. If Clete did save Aton from being poisoned by Hank, should Clete be honoured as a lifesaver or because his intention was to murder the aging patriarch, should he be charged with murder?
7. If Clete prevented Aton from being poisoned, was he also responsible for his lethal dehydration?

Who gets the needle, guys?

:)

Ronnie


jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/11/04:

Your story, you are the culprit! But what they did not know was that Aton, who is well acquainted with the desert, had a reserve canteen hidden. Being that he was with Hank and Clete, he knew that his life was in danger, so he was prepared. He might have had breathed his last, but last what? I think it was the air of the desert, as his wife came charging on a camel and found him sipping from his canteen. With a mighty leap, he jumped on the animal and charged back home to Answerway.

Loved it! LOL! Your one heck of a lad Ronnie.

:)

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HANK1 asked on 12/11/04 - THE PERFECT PERSON!



If I was a perfect person in the eyes of God and Jesus, what questions would you ask me? Would you consider me immortal since my salvation would be guaranteed?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/11/04:

To achieve perfection is almost impossible. Nevertheless,if you somehow did reach that plane, I probably would ask if you would take a walk with me and if we could talk? However, once you do reach that point, you probably would not even hear me, but if you did I certainly would be interested in hearing what and how you have abtained your state of the above. But Hank, you would still be a mortal,for nothing is guarenteed.The only sure thing in life is that we are born and then we have to die. This applies to all of us. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/11/04 - THIS MIGHT BE TOO PERSONAL!



If you were on your death-bed and you knew you had only 15 minutes to live, what would you say to God ... if you believed in God? (As I said, the answer to this question might be too personal)

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/11/04:

I would ask that my family be healthy and happy. No tears, for I's be comin' home. :)

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powderpuff asked on 12/10/04 - More on Abortion

3 1/2 years ago, shortly before my son was killed, his girlfriend ended up pregnant and confused. There were some questions in her mind about whether or not she could or should go through with the pregnancy. My son and I left no doubt in her mind that the baby was wanted and would be cared for. My son, having strong feelings against abortion, went too far IMO in trying to convince her to have the baby. I felt he actually terrorized her in his attempts to save his child.

I talked with her a lot. I counseled her on choices she could make. I promised her that if she had the baby, I would pay all the expenses, I would be the best grandmother I could be, I would help her in any way that she needed, including providing her housing and/or taking the child if that is what she thought she needed. I wanted her to know that even if she didn't trust my son to provide for her and the baby, I would be there to support her and the child in any way she needed.

We talked for days about all of her options. We talked about her having the child, keeping the child, giving the child up for adoption, placing the child with me, allowing me to support her and the baby, and the option of abortion. I told her the decision was hers, and that whatever decision she came to, I would support her choice.

At the same time, my son was terrorizing her with anti-abortion literature and sending her graphic pictures of aborted fetuses along with horror stories of women who had gone through with aborting their pregnancies.

Eventually, after giving a lot of thought to all her choices, she chose to have an abortion. I wanted that baby as much as my son did. It was a sad day for me, but even a sadder day for her. My son stepped up his terrorism and pounded it in to her head that she had murdered his child. I think his harassment of her was criminal. She ended up in a psychiatric hospital, her relationship with my son ended, then my son was killed. Out of a desperate sense of guilt, she became pregnant again as soon as possible, and gave birth to twins 9 months after my son's death.

I did not feel angry with her about her choice until my son died and she became pregnant again. If only she would have been brave enough to carry my son's child to term, I would have had my son's child to love and continue to love as I loved my own son.

But I had to realize, my anger was purely due to selfish emotions. The choice belonged with HER. She was the one who had to either go through with carrying the child, giving birth to the child, and being responsible for what happened next, or having an abortion for carefully thought out reasons of her own. She did not chose to have an abortion simply because it would be inconvenient to have a child. There was a multitude of things she considered and thought out carefully before she came to her decision. Of course it hurt me, but I don't judge her, and I forgive her, as I am sure God also forgives her.

We do not know when ensoulment occurs. Different religions believe it happens at different times. Some people believe it happens at conception, others don't believe it happens until the fetus is viable outside its mother's body. Still others think it occurs at the time of birth. The fact is that no one knows for sure when the soul enters the body.

However, we are all human, we all make mistakes, and none of us knows everything. Our God knows how ignorant and unknowing we all are. I believe that if we make a mistake, God forgives us. I don't believe that anyone has a right to decide for someone else on matters of abortion, it should be legal, and the consequenses will ultimately be between the woman and God. It is not our place to judge and it is not our place to make those choices for anyone other than ourselves.

Abortion is a personal private choice. Legal or not, some women will decide to have an abortion regardless. If abortion becomes illegal, women will continue to have them anyway. The problem will change from a private problem to a public problem at that point. Not only will fetuses be lost, but women will die as well.

What makes any one of you think that you should be able to tell a woman she cannot have a safe and legal abortion to end a problem pregnancy?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/10/04:

I was pondering what you wrote all day. I am truly sorry about your son, as well as his girlfriend and the child that she carried. I know that you would have loved the baby, and cared for it, but it was the girls choice. I feel that if someone is not able to cope with being pregnant, for whatever reason, that is her right. Who can tell her what to do with her own body? No one. I am a pro lifer, but I do not condemn anyone for making a choice. She was given so many options not to abort the baby, however she did. Who knows what was going through her mind at that time? I know that she must have suffered, as you and your son had. Maybe for different reasons, but pain is pain. All of you were in emotional pain.

No one here, has the right to conduct anyone else's life, not judge them for a mistake. I am sure that now she has children and is a good mother. However, she must still remember the baby that she did choose not to have. That is between her and God. No one else. Be in peace. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/10/04 - ANGELS:


"The word "angel" itself is used both as a generic term to refer to all heavenly beings, and as a specific term to refer to the members of the third sphere, those closest to the physical." - Alma Daniel, Timothy Wyllie, and Andrew Ramer, "Ask Your Angels"

Reference: Beliefnet

What's the "third sphere?"

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/10/04:

The third sphere is made of angels who function as heavenly messengers and they are the ones, supposedly that are our, so called, Guardian Angels. In other words, they are closer to humans than the two other spheres. :)

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Saladin asked on 12/09/04 - Orthodox versus Western Christianity



Why does the Western Church hold Christmas as 25 December, but the Orthodox Church insist on 6 January, and why can't they arrive at agreement?

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/09/04:

The Western Church uses the Gregorian Calendar, the Orthodox Church uses the old Julian Calendar. The arguments have been going on for centuries. The Gregorian has 365.5 days, which leaves us with having leap year every four years. It mainly had to do with the astronomical positions of the lunar year. The main reason for its rejection of the Gregorian Calendar was that the celebration of Easter would be altered: contrary to the injunctions of canon 7 of the Holy Apostles, the decree of the First Ecumenical Synod, and canon 1 of Ancyra, Easter would sometimes coincide with the Jewish Passover in the Gregorian calendar.:)

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sapphire630 asked on 12/09/04 - more on age

The Golden Years,Can Wait!

I’ve got a serious problem, with all the people who say,
“I can’t wait for the golden years to finally come my way.”

First I’d like to know, by what is golden meant?
It can’t be money, because that’s already been spent.
It can’t be health, for we’re living on borrowed time,
We knocked our selves out, trying to make a dime.

It sure isn’t to be wise, because everyone surely knows,
The older that we get, the faster our memory goes.

It can’t be looks that would be the ultimate joke; for someone that looks like a prune, and can’t remember that he’s broke!

Humorouspoems.com

The Golden years have come at last

I cannot see
I cannot pee
I cannot chew
I cannot*****
My memories shrunk
My hearing stinks
I have no sense of smell
I look like hell
My bodys drooping
I got trouble *******
the golden years have come at last

unknown

(*****tried to spare some of the visual imagry)





jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/09/04:

Well, live and learn. I have not yet reached them golden years 'cause:

I can see
I can pee
I can chew (My own teeth)
I can *****
My memory did not shrink
My hearing is fine, does not stink
I have a great sense of smell
And I look good hell, yeah, hell
My body ain't drooping
An I got no trouble ****ing
So the golden years have passed me by
Ah, Sandra says, with a smile and a sigh!

I like you Sapph. It's the young ones that keep me still dancing as fast as I can. :)

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sapphire630 asked on 12/08/04 - On birthdays....

I remember for years women saying they were having their 30th for the 20th time.

Others would say they just don't have them.

>>>My approach, I reply I am older than dirt then I don't have to think about getting old.
At 40 I said, "Over the hill? How can I be over the hill when I never found the top of it!"
At ('bout)50 I now say, "Been there, done that, coulda, woulda, SHOULDA had the nervous breakdown!"

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/08/04:

Yeah, that coulda, woulda, scoulda is all gone by seventy five. Trust me on that. The only thing that I am eligible for now is the draft, and it ain't into the military either. :)

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Choux asked on 12/08/04 - Can I Be a Christian Again?

Clete and Gade-dude said that the only thing that all Christians have in common is to believe that Jesus is Lord. Can I be a Christian again?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/08/04:

My dear Choux, I think that you know that it takes more than just that. As a matter of fact, you know a lot about Christianity. You have written in some of your posts how you love people, are kind to the needy, do things that show care and compassion. I also see that you are open minded and have a unquenchable thirst for knowledge. Ones belief is a very private thing. If you want to be a Christian again, you can be, in your own way, as long as you follow the righteous path. All that Jesus asked of his followers is to believe in him and to follow his ways. You have already displayed them in some of your posting. Be in peace. :)

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Saladin asked on 12/08/04 - Kalloning ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...


Just for a little seasonal jollity:

If (assuming, pretending, etc)

you were able to clone three people,

either historical - living or dead, or fictional,

1. who would they be, and for

2. what compelling reason would you clone each of them?

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/08/04:

My father who was the smartest man that I knew.
My Mum, so that I could give her the hugs that I was stingy with because I was a guy.
And my wife, so that she could continue to nag some other guy after I am gone. :) Actually, those are the only ones that I could think of. The others that I have in mind, are only because I would like the opportunity to kick their a**'s for what they did to our world.

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sapphire630 asked on 12/08/04 - looking for another idea

Saladin's thing about cloning...

I use to say I wish there were more hours in a day
so that I could get everything done.
Then someone pointed out to me that if I had more hours in a day I would probably have even more that would need done.

Vacations don't work cause they end
and NO time for them anyway.
Calgon won't even take me away.
FED-EX and UPS won't ship me to Tim-bucktoo
I don't have a one-way ticket to Paradise
so I am stuck in a rut

So then I thought that if I cloned myself then my clone maybe could get more accomplished. But answering Sal's ? I realized that would be more mouths to feed, {(and I don't know if I could put up with me)} and thus more work anyway.

so......
? where do I go with a next idea?


over-worked & under-paid
exhausted & unenergized
sapph


jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/08/04:

Change your batteries. Seems like our bunny is all pooped out. :)

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sapphire630 asked on 12/08/04 - what the hey are people so desparately seeking?
What the hey are people so desperately seeking?

Or is it they have so much time on their hands and nothin' better to do? First all the Elvis sightings, the resturant worker sees Elvis in a potato, then there are all these sightings of other famous people in everything. Now somebody is trying to sell a piece of cereal on EBay because he says he sees somebody famous in the piece of cereal. People are actually collecting pieces of wood because they say they see the Virgin Mary and others in the wood.
Are people that flaky?


Please think of a good scam for me....
....WHAT can I sell because I see WHO in it?
....besides me in a mirror!!!

Desparately,
sapph!



jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/08/04:

You could do what my grandchildren do with Silly Putty. Press it onto a newspaper, whoever you want in it, then press the putty onto a piece of white bread or wood, smudge it a bit and voila! You are an Ebay fifteen minute celebrity.:)

People run scams all the time. Nothing unusual. It has more to do with money, than boredom. :)

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Bradd asked on 12/07/04 - Christian Agreement

Is there one statement that would include all self-described Christians?


For example;

Some Christians (most) believe in the Trinity - some don't.

Some Christians believe Jesus Christ is God - some don't.

Some Christians believe faith is all that is necessary - some think works are necessary, too.

Some Christians believe that their belief is the only true belief - some don't. (This one is interesting in light of the innumerable diametrically different beliefs of Christians).

Some Christians believe in an everlasting hell - some don't. The ones who don't can't reconcile this idea with the notion of a perfectly-loving God.

Some Christians believe in predestination - some believe in free will.

Some Christians believe the Bible is the sum total of Christianity - some believe their Christian God is not limited to this book.


I'm sure there are many other internal contradictions among Christians. These are just some of them.

If you care to answer, please answer from your own thoughts and not from the Bible or other writings or Papal infallibilty or the like. These tend to be arguments from authority - a logical fallacy.

I'm interested in your own take on this.

What single statement would include all self-described Christians? (If there is one).

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/08/04:

I think that all can agree on the fact that even though there are so many denominations of Christianity, they are all based on the principle of what Jesus taught us. To love God and our neighbors. To do good and show tolerance and patience. The Bible can be our spiritual guide, but to believe only in the scriptures, sometimes misinterpret them, and not live our lives accordinging to His teachings would be foolish. We should all be allowed to have our own private beliefs and honor the ones of others. Religion is within the person who believes. How one believes is up to the individual. We cannot say that our way is the only way, as no one can tell us that their way is the only way. There is only one way and that is to give thanks and receive His blessings, which occur each and every day.

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Krewton asked on 12/07/04 - sorry for the glitch

Computer is slower than me, which is highly unusual))))))))

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/07/04:

Today is your day. You can do anything you want. Post it ten times and you are still forgiven. By me at least. Again a great day to you.

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Krewton asked on 12/07/04 - Happy Birthday to me!

Just turned 42 today. No question here, just a statement. I am blessed with a great wife, two wonderful kids, and the free gift of Salvation from Jesus himself. Pretty good life thus far eh?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/07/04:

Have a wonderful and blessed Birthday. Now, I can sit back and try to remember what 42 felt like! Ah, just remembered, but can't print it here. Really, enjoy and many more.
:)
Jeremy

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paraclete asked on 12/07/04 - A Bible Books Brain Teaser


There are the names of 16 books of the Bible mentioned in the paragraph below. See how many you can find. (A minister found 15 books in 20 minutes. But it took him weeks to find the sixteenth one. Let's see how much time it takes you.)


I once made a remark about the hidden books of the Bible. It was a lulu, kept people looking so hard for facts, and for others it was a revelation. Some were in a jam, especially since the names were not capitalized, but the truth finally struck home to numbers of readers. To others it was a real job. We want it to be a most fascinating few moments for you. Yes, there will be some really easy ones to spot. Others may require judges to help them. I will
quickly admit it usually takes a minister to find one of them, and there will be a loud lamentations when it is found. A little lady says she brews a cup of tea, so she can concentrate better. See how well you can compete. Relax now for there are really 16 names of books of the Bible in
this story.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/07/04:

Mark, Luke, acts, revelations, Kings, James, Job, Ruth, Hebrews, numbers, Amos, Esther, Titus, Judges, Lamentations, Peter. Am I right?. twenty minutes, 51 seconds.

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paraclete asked on 12/07/04 - Just to fit in with the spirit of the season

POLITICALLY CORRECT VERSION OF 'THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS!'

'Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a wreck...
How to live in a world that's politically correct?
His workers no longer would answer to "Elves"
"Vertically Challenged" they were calling themselves
And labor conditions at the north pole
Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul

Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety
Released to the wilds by the Humane Society
And equal employment had made it quite clear
That Santa had better not use just reindeer
So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid
Were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid!

The runners had been removed from his sleigh;
The ruts were termed dangerous by the E P A
And people had started to call for the cops
When they heard sled noises on their roof-tops
Second-hand smoke from his pipe had his workers quite frightened
His fur trimmed red suit was called "Unenlightened"

And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows
Rudolf was suing over unauthorised use of his nose
And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation
Demanding millions in over-due compensation

So, half of the reindeer were gone; and his wife
Who suddenly said she'd enough of this life
Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz
Demanding from now on her title was Ms

And as for the gifts, why, he'd ne'er had a notion
That making a choice could cause so much commotion
Nothing of leather, nothing of fur
Which meant nothing for him. And nothing for her
Nothing that might be construed to pollute
Nothing to aim. Nothing to shoot
Nothing that clamoured or made lots of noise
Nothing for just girls. Or just for boys
Nothing that claimed to be gender specific
Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific

No candy or sweets ... they were bad for the tooth
Nothing that seemed to embellish the truth
And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden
Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden
For they raised the hackles of those psychological
Who claimed the only good gift was ecological

No baseball, no football ... someone could get hurt;
Besides; playing sports exposed kids to dirt
Dolls were said to be sexist, and should be passe;
And Nintendo would rot your entire brain away

So Santa just stood there, dishevelled, perplexed;
He just could not figure out what to do next
He tried to be merry, tried to be gay
But you've got to be careful with that word today
His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground;
Nothing fully acceptable was to be found

Something special was needed, a gift that he might
Give to all without angering the left or the right
A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision
Each group of people, every religion;
Every ethnicity, every hue
Everyone, everywhere ... even you
So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth ...
"May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth"

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/07/04:

Oh, darn, now I have to give up Nintendo. How do I tell my grandkids? Woe is me! LOL. This was really good lad. :) Peace to you as well Paraclete. The gift is truly priceless.

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HANK1 asked on 12/07/04 - HINDU WISDOM:


The great teacher Prajapati said: “The Self is pure, free from decay and death, free from hunger and thirst, and free from sorrow. The Self desires nothing that is not good, wills nothing that is not good. Seek and realize the Self! Those who seek and realize the Self fulfill all their desires and attain the goal supreme.” - Chandogya Upanishad

Is this perfection?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/07/04:

Hank, the human being, according to Hinduism, posses a dual nature. One is called Jiva-atman or the so called phenomenal ego. The other is the eternal Self antar-atman, which is the inner spirit made in the same mold as Brahman. If you wish, it is possible to identify yourself with the inner spirit and therefore with Brahman.
The only purpose of a man's life, on earth is to identify himself with the eternal Self called Brahman and unite with it through devotion, bhakti, service, karma, and knowledge, jnana, So, when all of this can be achieved you can see that perfection that you mention.


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Saladin asked on 12/06/04 - Hey! Are you a Troll?


I had this sent me from a cyber-pal in Tasmania (The island from which Australia is 'offshore'!)

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An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism, constructive or otherwise.

You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them.
They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net.

It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people.

Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions.

Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

When you try to reason with a troll, he wins.
When you insult a troll, he wins.
When you scream at a troll, he wins.
The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

As already stated, it is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession. But perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while.

If you do that, then for the sake of the others on the system, please do not post a dramatic "Goodbye!" message.

This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle. There is, perhaps, no message you can write on a message system that is as damaging as an announcement that you are leaving because of the hostility that the troll has kindled.

If you feel you must say something, a discreet message to the system operator (and some of the others users, if you have their email addresses) is the best course of action.

One technique used by trolls to generate chaos is to use several user names. This is always a loy to gain power at the expense of others.

Trolls have been known to become so irritated at having their spoofs identified that they have learned to write in another person's style. They may end up writing an intelligent message that is indistinguishable from your own golden words. If that happens, you can always just let the post stand and take credit for it!

Trolls will also sometimes write a "That Wasn't Me" message after a genuine one, attempting to elicit a denial. There really is no reason to give him what he wants, since a "That Wasn't Me" warning merely reminds people to be skeptical.

When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed — more on this later.

Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a moderator is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining.

Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive.
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Have you now or have you ever been a Troll?

:)

Curious minds want to now.

Ronnie


jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/06/04:

If I ever become or am a troll, someone please tell me. My name is Jeremy, I have only this one ID, although my wife calls me many names, that I shall not mention here. So, I leave it up to you Experts to inform me of my trolldom, if it is or shall ever be. So far, in the weeks that I have been here, I haven't encountered anyone who I would call a troll. But then, you guys know each other a long time, so whisper in my ear where there is one. :)

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queenybee asked on 12/06/04 - "Until archeological proof is available, David remains a legend

In the summer of 1993, an archaeological team, led by Professor Avraham Biran, cleared an area outside the outer gate of ancient Dan. They uncovered a paved plaza. A black basalt stone protruding from the ground was easily removed. When the stone was turned toward the afternoon sun, the letters sprang to life. "Oh, my God, we have an inscription!" Professor Biran exclaimed.

Professor Biran and his colleague, Professor Joseph Naveh of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, promptly wrote a scientific report on the inscription. Based on this report, an article in the Biblical Archaeology Review magazine, March/April 1994, reads: "It's not often that an archaeological find makes the front page of the New York Times (to say nothing of Time magazine). But that is what happened last summer to a discovery at Tel Dan, a beautiful mound in northern Galilee, at the foot of Mt. Hermon beside one of the headwaters of the Jordan River.

"There Avraham Biran and his team of archaeologists found a remarkable inscription from the ninth century B.C.E. that refers both to the 'House of David' and to the 'King of Israel.' This is the first time that the name David has been found in any ancient inscription outside the Bible. That the inscription refers not simply to a 'David' but to the House of David, the dynasty of the great Israelite king, is even more remarkable.

david is NO legend

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/06/04:

There is no positive proof. There were too many letters missing on the inscription, that it was all probabilities and not concrete fact. Biran, himself, stated that it could have been the House Of David, or probably was. As for the King Of Israel, if I remember correctly, it was not written with usual dots between the words. No where do I remember it ever being stated anything more than "it probably was, or it could be." Thank you for making an old brain work a little more than usual.

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Saladin asked on 12/06/04 - Dates and events in the Bible - difficulties


It is by no means an easy task to determine correct dates for many of the events in the Bible, especially in the earliest books, whose histories rely on older writings, whose times are veiled in obscurity.

Such dates are of interest only to those Bible scholars who seek to reconstruct the historical framework around which the books of the Bible were written, and against the historical background of the events depicted.

It should be of no great consequence for believers in the Bible to discover that the Exodus more than likely took place later than was customarily thought, or that Moses led the Children of Israel across the Reed Sea and not across the Red Sea.

However, these kind of corrections, for which there is more than ample evidence to suggest that earlier commentators misunderstood, or did not have sufficient knowledge at their disposal, to correct, show the folly of believing that every word in the Bible fell from the lips of God and is perfect in every way.

There are difficulties in the Bible that are evident to those who are more than cursorily acquainted wiht its contents, but which will not be evident to those whose familiarity with the Book of Books is limited to a few proof texts dotted here and there among its pages.

Thus, dating the birth and death of David is hazardous, and one must be familiar with all available data and then, based on the probability, make an intelligent guess.

That will not guarantess that the dates selected by this choice will be any more reliable than those selected on emotional factors alone.

One can only do one's best.

To a beliver, knowing the date of David's birth, or the date of the Exodus, will not be a matter of any great importance.

The Bioble is clearly neither a history book, as we understand history, nor a scientific treatise, and should never be treated as such.

it is a book of God's dealings with his children as experienced and interpreted by a great many people, fmailies, tribes, and nations.

As a spiritual guide, it has the value of offering insights into the changing world of Hebrew thought, and, later, of the development of the first stirrings of Christianity.

It is a wonderful book, but those who, not knowng its contents, make an idol of the Book itself, do themselves a disservice, and lock themselves outside its treasures.

The passages oft-quoted from the Bible to have us believe that not only is the Bible infallible and complete, actually do not support any such view when properly analysed and understood.

The Bible is not a weapon used to beat opponents into submission, but a record, or records, of the hearts and minds of men as God has moved them this way and that, and it will do that today for all those who do not put it on a pedestal to worship it, but who will open their hearts and minds as they open its pages and explore the wonders that it has to offer to the humble seeking mind.

:)

Ronnie

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/06/04:

It definitely is a spiritual guide. However, too often it is used to misinterpret, to instigate, to mislead some. Used properly, it is a wonderful history of the past and of all that we hold spiritual. But taken out of context it can create hatred, violence and all the negatives that any misinterpretation of any subject can bring. Harm. I tend to agree with Aton, that what you describe can be applied to any of the other religious books. When in a true believers hand, it is beautiful. Give it to a fanatic and you get what we have. By fanatic I am not only referring to the terrorism that is so prevalent today. Even in the most meek hands of a fanatical nature, it can create havoc.

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paraclete asked on 12/05/04 - Jeremy, is that You?---

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Unusual-Tales/Jeremy-turns-Crazy/2004/12/05/1102182157951.html

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/05/04:

LOL!!! Sure wish he would be. Crazy Horse or not, he is 26, something I would do anything to be again. Nice try Paraclete, but 'tain't me! LOLOLOL. :)

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CeeBee2 asked on 12/05/04 - Sacred spaces. A couple of times during the past year

or so I have posted questions about sacred spaces - where is your sacred space, your sacred place? Where do you go to relax, to regroup, to rediscover yourself, even to find God during the hub-bub of daily living, especially now with the busyness of the holidays upon us?

Sometimes I slip into a back pew at the church I used to belong to. My paternal family history as well as over 40 years of my life lie within the walls of that church. It's one of those places where I feel God's presence and can rest in His arms. I find an earthly peace while lying on the living room floor, cats snuggled next to me, otherwise alone with only the faint noises of furnace (or ac) and outside activities breaking the silence.

How about you?



jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/05/04:

My sacred space is anywhere my wife and I can sit on a couch, she reading her book and I mine. No communication, just a beautifully understood tranquil silence. I also enjoy sitting on the sand on a quiet beach, watching the ripples of the ocean, and then I feel that I am one with the universe. :)

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HANK1 asked on 12/05/04 - DR. SEUSS:



"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Perhaps this could be a slogan for our Christianity community. Time for all of us to bond ... and allow faithful friends to be dear to all of us.

HANK



jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/05/04:

You mean we haven't bonded yet? Sheesh! I can't seem to get you guys out of my "favorites". That has to be bonding, right? :)

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revdauphinee asked on 12/04/04 - The Singing Wife* * * * * *

The Singing Wife* * * * * *




Joe's wife likes to sing so she decided to join the church choir. From time to time she would practice while she was in the kitchen preparing dinner. Whenever she would start in on a song, Joe would head outside to the porch.

His wife, with hurt feelings, said, "What's the matter, Joe? Don't you like my singing? "Joe replied, "Honey, I love your singing, but I just want to make sure the neighbors know I'm not beating you."

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/04/04:

Good one, Revdauphinee. Keep them coming. LOL! :)

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Saladin asked on 12/03/04 - Did King Solomon ...



.... marry the Queen of Sheba?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/04/04:

No, they were not married. Sheba was a virgin when she went to visit King Solomon. After just one night of a broken oath not to consumate their relationship, they did and it produced a son to Sheba, who had returned to Ethiopia. The sons name was Bayna Lekhem. It is said that he resembled his father, Solomon, and after both met many years later, Bayna Lekhem was offered to be heir. But Bayna Lekhem said that his mother was not the wife of Solomon and he would not accept the offer. He took on the name of David the Second and returned to Ethiopia.

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HANK1 asked on 12/03/04 - Paraclete:


Why don't you like President Bush and the United States?

HANK

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/03/04:

Hank, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Paraclete has his views of our country and he has the right to voice them. We can either agree or disagree, but he stated his reasons, they are his and I am sure that there are things in Australia that he is not too fond of either. So, being that this is a diverse community, we should try to see both the industrial, governmental and personal reasons for his dislike. I love this country, it has given me opportunities that I never dreamt of. But that is me, it does not mean that the guy in the next house feels the same way. All opinions should be respected and I do not think that he hates Americans. He just dislikes what we seem to stand for, which does not differ that much from his own country.

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paraclete asked on 12/03/04 - work of FGBMFI

Bbecuse some of you appearently don't know of the work of this organisation I will give you some highlights of its work in just one year 2000 indeed a very good year

Yes, there is another side of the boat! And God’s will is to lead us all to His promised land of blessing.

How did God lead us to the incredible path of harvest, which is resulting in hundreds of thousands coming to Christ, in Nation after Nation?

Two years ago, in the middle of an incredible outpouring of salvation upon Africa, it became apparent that the men and women of the FGBMFI were at that time reaching about 1 million people a year for Christ. At that time, a real hunger entered my heart. I began to ask God to make us 10 times better.

God’s leading is wonderful, because it was then that I began to receive prophecies and even visions for certain nations.

The result is that now we are reaching about 2 million new people a year for Christ and on our way to 10 million!!!

It would be impossible to recap the year 2000 for all 157 FGBMFI nations. So I will give only some highlights.

Nigeria: Under the direction of a newly elected Christian President, Olesegun Obasanjo, God is blessing the nation. Our FGBMFI President, Arc Bunmi Adedeji, has been especially used by God to organize the men in such a way that the number of the men and ladies members and chapters has increased 25%. The National Convention was held in a stadium seating 30,000 people, just so they could get our members and their families together. His Excellency President Obasanjo gave us a wonderful breakfast at his mansion when we were in Nigeria.

Democratic Republic of Congo– Under the most difficult conditions imaginable, directed by Dr. Malenso our Fellowship has grown at an astounding rate to almost 30,000 members. Their witness throughout the nation is bringing incredible numbers to Christ.

Ghana– Ghana has suffered economically because of the excess of government and the collapse of their currency. Yet in the midst of adversity the Fire of God is burning brighter thanks to the leadership of our dear brother, Kwabena Darko and Joseph Kwaw.

Nicaragua– Under the direction of our new Central American Regional Vice President Humberto Arguello, the initial Fire Team from last year has continued to go forward with even greater momentum than before. Now in this little land at least 300,000 people have come to Christ in the last 18 months. It is also interesting to note that Daniel Ortega the leader of the Marxist Sandinistas and former President, sent me a special birthday greeting on October 23 congratulating me, "on the great work of God that is being done, and expressing his desire to meet and talk again of God’s ways of helping us."

Honduras– Under the direction of FGBMFI President Dr. Carlos Pinel, the Fire Teams in the month of May reached almost 400,000 people. In one week we prayed for 385,000 people! It was during this incredible week that God gave me the anointed signal of the red flag. Since May the nation has been so impacted that the National Congress voted that the first 10 minutes of every school day the students will have a reading from the Bible! The Congress feels that this will bring ethics and morality back to the nation.

At the end of October in recognition of the outstanding contribution to the nation by the FGBMFI– Congress voted and later presented to me at a State Dinner a Special Commendation and Gold Medal. This is the highest honor Congress can bestow; this is the first time this has been given to anyone who is not a President of a nation or Congress. Yes, the world is beginning to recognize that the power of Christ’s love working through men is the greatest power of all.

El Salvador– Recently in a weekend Fire Team outreach under the direction of President Dr. Mauricio Lousel, and Jaime Sol, about 60,000 people prayed to commit their lives to God.

Guatemala– Under the direction of President Luis Alberto Mazariegos, just completed a national Convention where more than 5,000 people attended, at the Hyatt Hotel.

Costa Rica– Under the direction of FGBMFI President Francisco Fallas, completed its national Convention in a stadium of 7,000 people.

Moscow, Russia– Under the leadership of Bob Bignold and the airlift teams people came from 62 cities of the old Soviet Union. Many new chapters were started as Fire Teams spread throughout the nation.

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/03/04:

Thanks for this post. It taught me something new. I had no clue as to what FGBMFI was. Since then I looked it up and found that it was started by an Armenian by the name of Demos Shakarian in 1952. FGBKFI stands for Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship International and is a non-profit organization that is committed to bringing men and woman to Jesus. I had no idea of what it was until you posted it and I was able to find out more about it. Much appreciated.

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paraclete asked on 12/03/04 - Fundamentalist Christianity in action -

While we sit on our proverbial and lament the excesses of some fundamentalist christians, remember that there are some who see action at the front in an entirely different manner.

FGBMFI in action
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VICTORY REPORT
Recently in Panama, I received this incredible report from Francisco Lopez, the treasurer of the Marxist Sandanistas party in Nicaragua and Humberto Arguello, Regional Vice President.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED THE NICARAGUA SOCIETY LIKE FGBMFI. This is the statement of the Marxist Sandanistas.

Francisco was saying, I was trying to figure out how Jesus could be the Son of God born of a virgin. Then I remembered the statement of the blind man that Jesus healed. When questioned, he said, I know not who He is; but once I was blind, but now I see.

Now Daniel Ortega, the former president refers to Nicaragua as the project of the Promised Land. Before the recent elections, all the Marxist leaders prayed and agreed that they needed the Lord. The elections gave them sweeping victories of mayors and governors. In the old days, they would celebrate by getting drunk and shooting their guns into the air. Now, everything is changed, there is no wild celebration, but now they are giving thanks to God.

They say, The Lord has given us a second chance. We tried to do the best for the people, but we were without God, and we did it the wrong way. Now, they want to do it Gods way. Many asked Francisco how he
attained such a high position. They ask, where did you come from…He answers: I have been sent here by the power of the Holy Spirit. He says; those who laughed at me are now changed. The Lord has closed their mouth.

Che Guevara, the Cuban Marxist provided great inspiration to Marxist around the world. He told them, if they have it in their heart; they would be ready to die for their cause. Francisco and others have paraphrased these words to say; woe to those who just have Christ in their mouth because, we have to have Him in our heart.

Who would have thought that when I gave Daniel Ortega, the Sandanistas Leader a prophetic word and prayed with him, that from that small seed would come an incredible revival among the Marxist.
He often repeats to his inner circle; special words that I gave him in private. By the way In July, 110,000 Nicaraguans received the Lord through the work of FGBMFI.


jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/03/04:

I always thought that the main religion in Nicaragua is Catholicism. I know that there are a number of Protestant sects like the Pentecostals and Baptists. There is also a Moravian church which was introduced by British missionaries, but that is more on the Caribbean coast. The Nicaraguans have Holy Saint days and they celebrate each saint on a given day. So, has something changed? As far as I know, Nicaragua has and is Christian. Most cities have their own patron saint and some are even shared throughout the towns. So, I am a bit confused.. Even the Sandanistas, after a brief period of Marxism, began to reinstate their belief God.

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Itsdb asked on 12/03/04 - Warning, an irrelevant post...

Currently, 85% of my email is spam. I received this bit of 'poetry' in a recent spam message...

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Is ringside enterprise of therefore glassine
The bromley is jocose
This embalm furniture of pageant of dignity
Patriarchy of multiplet is passband
The uniroyal pawn
This vitae signpost is puncture
This tickle
The dispel of wrestle is edna

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Sigh...

Got any good spampoetry of your own to share?

jeremy_hobbs answered on 12/03/04:

This does not compare to Itsdb's, but I received this today and it puzzled me, so here it is. Usually I just delete.

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